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Show Of Hands July 27th, 2015 1:50pm

Apple and BMW are reportedly considering teaming up to build an electric car. Think they'll beat Tesla?

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Patriotzero USA
07/31/15 11:01 am

Depends on price. Tesla is damn expensive.

jamjay Atlanta, Ga
07/29/15 6:51 am

Apple Plus BMW could Rule the World.

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GenericProfile Custom Tags Are Gay
07/28/15 10:18 am

Apparently almost half of people on this app don't understand how advanced Tesla's engineering is, and how shitty a company Apple is.

jdengel
07/28/15 10:26 am

I just have faith in bmw

TheIndian Virgo Supercluster
07/28/15 12:52 am

OMFG NOOO apple and BMW don't need to go together, I love BMW but hate apple

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zl5773 Minnesota
07/28/15 12:19 am

It'll probably be more expensive than a tesla. So no, they won't beat tesla.

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jDinOR Oregon
07/28/15 12:09 am

The cash flow for R & D alone would dwarf Tesla's over all stock value on it's own, so how could it not succeed.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
07/27/15 9:52 pm

The i3 is pretty sweet, for a severely range-limited car (which all electrics are, so far). In my mind, except for straight-line acceleration when money is no object, the i3 already beats the Tesla. I'm betting an Apple-branded e-BMW would too.

SonofThunder peace
07/27/15 9:03 pm

Wow just reading these comments shows me people do not know anything about electric cars or Tesla.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/28/15 4:27 am

That's what this app is for. Highly opinionated people with 10% of the required subject matter knowledge having hated debates on what the color blue tastes like.

SonofThunder peace
07/28/15 5:59 am

Haha looks like you've hit the nail on the head! I won't lie I've been guilty of that too lol.

SonofThunder peace
07/27/15 8:51 pm

Go ahead, the more press the better. The more competition the better.

jlheathfam
07/27/15 6:31 pm

beat them how? 0-60? efficiency? price? market share!

CutCopy Wedding
07/27/15 6:28 pm

Cristiano Ronaldo on BMW.... Siiiiiiii!!!

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comicguy86 California
07/27/15 6:01 pm

As long as Siri isn't the GPS, it's good to have competition.

caboose2050 Blood Gulch
07/27/15 5:06 pm

Just call it an iCar and people will line up to go buy it.

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ArceusBlitz Left wing Libertarian
07/27/15 4:55 pm

Why does Apple have to butt in? Oh yeah, they're all about money smh

Reuters Canada
07/27/15 7:27 pm

Why do they have to butt in? Really? How about to provide more competition which is good for everyone in many ways?

dessy Indiana cornfield
07/27/15 4:35 pm

Perhaps better but no one ain't paying for that except well off people.

CTYankee!!! Connecticut
07/27/15 4:33 pm

Apple & BMW are not known for making affordable products

blyndsyde1981 Louisiana
07/27/15 4:13 pm

If Apple and BMW want to create an electric car that will outdo the Telsa then they will. They certainly are capable of expanding on the technology.

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thomas124 New Jersey
07/27/15 4:11 pm

Im not a fan of how Apples trying to monopolize just about everything.

brules666 New York
07/28/15 9:17 am

Google is trying to do the same and no one complains about them. Apple is a successful company and they should continue to be successful in other areas.

JHawk3205 MD
07/27/15 3:43 pm

Tesla: way overpriced.. BMW: pricey.. Apple: way overpriced.. BMW + apple = more overpriced than tesla.. Why don't car manufacturers try to make affordable electric cars. The majority of people just need an A to B car, not

JHawk3205 MD
07/27/15 3:44 pm

A sporty/luxury car. Whoever makes an affordable, I mean really affordable, and dependable electric car will sell volume for sure. Also, the apple car will surely do a lot of harm to drivers..

SonofThunder peace
07/27/15 8:52 pm

It's because viable affordable electrics cars are impossible at the moment. Wait until the giga factory in Nevada is done.

SonofThunder peace
07/27/15 8:52 pm

Elon Musk is the one building the factory.

JHawk3205 MD
07/27/15 10:19 pm

Viable electric cars are impossible?? Chevy volt, Nissan leaf, are somewhat reasonably priced, but ultimately they're glorified golf carts. Theyre close, but the overhead is still higher than necessary.

JHawk3205 MD
07/27/15 10:21 pm

If they used cheaper batteries, that went up in less time, people would be more accepting of replacing them than what hybrid/all electric car batteries cost now. dependability overall is a different story. I don't want faulty electrical

JHawk3205 MD
07/27/15 10:23 pm

Components throughout the car, Nissan, or shabbily built cars, Chevy; that's not asking so much. It's an industry culture problem. It's only seen as not profitable now, because they refuse to build what people can afford

SonofThunder peace
07/28/15 5:53 am

If you look at the specs of the cars you're talking about you will see my point. All other mainstream electric cars don't even get 100 miles per charge, Tesla is the only exception but it's still expensive. Why? Because the battery itself costs like

SonofThunder peace
07/28/15 5:54 am

40 thousand. Elon Musk is the Henry Ford of electric vehicles. I'll say it once and say it again, he's going to make them viable enough where you will see a Tesla at least once a day everywhere. So like I said a VIABLE electric car is at the moment

JHawk3205 MD
07/28/15 10:10 am

100 miles per charge is plenty. The problem is charging stations. Why do you think there's so much talk about road pavement that can charge your car, etc. and I think the vast majority of people aren't driving more than 100 miles every day

JHawk3205 MD
07/28/15 10:12 am

Sure, 100 miles isn't great, but there's loads if other innovations outside of the battery itself that would vastly mitigate that limitation, making it viable.

SonofThunder peace
07/28/15 10:19 am

Long story short EVs aren't as convenient as gas cars yet, but Tesla is doing better than other EVs. Once model 3 comes out we'll be closer to viability.

JHawk3205 MD
07/28/15 11:32 pm

I don't disagree entirely. Like I said, there's loads of ways they can make it more viable, but they simply won't. That's done by choice, because they're more concerned with short term profits than changing the game and enjoying

JHawk3205 MD
07/28/15 11:34 pm

Plenty of long term profits. What? No solar? No adapter for wall charging? That super nifty suspension that charges batteries? There's plenty of things that can already mitigate the limitations; they just have close minded priorities

JHawk3205 MD
07/28/15 11:35 pm

I can't imagine that the model 3 will be much of a game changer, unless you care to enlighten me.

SonofThunder peace
07/29/15 9:41 pm

The battery is the most expensive part of the Tesla. The whole reason the model 3 will even exist will be because of the giga factory in Nevada. That is literally all it is right now. Changing roads and all that stuff you mentioned comes later 😒

SonofThunder peace
07/29/15 9:46 pm

The stuff you mentioned is great in theory. But why do it until at least a certain percentage of people own electric cars? Or at least until the Tech for EVs become cheaper. It's takes time and money. Remember EVs are still pretty new.

JHawk3205 MD
07/30/15 12:18 pm

EVs have been around for a very long time. Electric golf carts have been around a long time. I realize the batteries are the most expensive part. A) the batteries could be cheaper, B) the rest of the car could be way, way cheaper

JHawk3205 MD
07/30/15 12:20 pm

The more infrastructure tech there is to support EV car charging, in preferably a universal standard, the more likely people will buy. Also, much like the prius's and other odd looking hybrids, maybe if they stopped making the ugliest

JHawk3205 MD
07/30/15 12:22 pm

Looking cars, people would be more inclined to buy them. It hasn't been very long since existing gas cars have started getting hybrid equivalents, and teslas look great but don't need to look that great. Also, I own a Prius, and I've gotten

JHawk3205 MD
07/30/15 12:23 pm

The look, because I save so much money on gas, compared to my last cars, and there's way more Prius's on the road, along with other virtually identical dumb looking hybrids.

JHawk3205 MD
07/30/15 12:24 pm

It's point a to point b; doesn't have to look great, has to be affordable up front, otherwise the savings don't mean much until way down the road

SonofThunder peace
07/30/15 12:51 pm

Ok let me ask you this: how do you make batteries cheaper?

JHawk3205 MD
07/31/15 2:45 am

Don't engineer them for unnecessarily high output..

SonofThunder peace
07/31/15 8:56 am

I think instead of changing any infrastructure we should make batteries better and last longer. That way it'll be like a has car and people won't be so hesitant to switch. I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

JHawk3205 MD
07/31/15 1:53 pm

That's kinda the thing. Infrastructure makes advances just as much as car tech does, and benefits both gas and electric car drivers. Without infrastructure changes, it's far less viable to make the switch. At least now

JHawk3205 MD
07/31/15 1:55 pm

At this point in EV tech.. And again, the battery tech is not entirely connected to the cars tech. There's plenty of things that can be done to make it more viable, but they're typically very expensive. I'm not entirely disagreeing with you

johnnycub Bronx
07/27/15 1:59 pm

I bet the iCar is gonna be 70% more expensive than a regular car

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Vispellio California
07/27/15 1:32 pm

Tesla has been around for so long that their cars are reliable and well tested. Even with big names like "Apple" and "BMW" on a car, that won't change.

Tausif7 California
07/27/15 1:05 pm

Are you kidding me? Not even close! If you don't believe me, ask me anything and I'll counter you.

TheATLAS Georgia
07/27/15 1:05 pm

But seriously, electric cars are fantastic and I'm feeling very optimistic about it! One issue the U.S. Will have to figure out though is the infrastructure for recharging the cars, which they lack. However who knows what will happen in 10 years :)

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TheATLAS Georgia
07/27/15 1:01 pm

Finally! iDrive is coming. The prophecy is all coming together.......

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Kneske College Station, TX
07/27/15 12:36 pm

Tesla is poorly managed. Apple is the best managed company in the world.

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Nos4at2 demented weirdo
07/27/15 12:24 pm

Doesn't matter, with those 2 companies in cahoots I don't even think I could afford the floormats

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catpillow Florida West Coast
07/27/15 11:27 am

It should be a great competition. I can't wait to see how it works out.

mb45081 Texas
07/27/15 11:22 am

Will it use a 30-pin or lightning charger?

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dominiclandry
07/27/15 10:29 am

Without government subsidies, Tesla would've gone bankrupt. I think with the engineering of BMW and the interface of Apple, this will be Teslas strongest competitor.

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corino Utah
07/27/15 9:45 am

Apple will call it the iCar

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CoffeeNow Powderpuff leftist
07/27/15 9:58 am

And before you start it you have to update iTunes and install QuickTime

BatmansParents Monarch Theater
07/27/15 10:00 am

And then get sued by Microsoft for using windows

Zardoz California native
07/27/15 12:15 pm

And it will have features preinstalled that you'll never use and you won't be able to get rid of.

corino Utah
07/27/15 12:50 pm

And after 3 years it won't be supported anymore and it will run really slow.

corino Utah
07/27/15 12:51 pm

And if you crack the glass everything is integrated so you'll have to replace the whole thing.

FreeNation Pro Liberty
07/27/15 9:33 am

But the real question is will this Apple car have windows?

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Mark3
07/27/15 10:16 am

10 Windows with a Start feature.

Maelthus
07/27/15 9:30 am

It'll be about 10x the price, and require updates nearly every week, and have parts that you can't get rid of that don't do anything.

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trav Instagram, travisdover
07/27/15 9:26 am

Tesla and Android should team up. Then we can have a "Corporate Wars" reality show.

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jvberg Winter has Come
07/27/15 9:13 am

BMW would do a good job and then apple would throw up all over it and ruin it

SaintAnger sumkindamonster
07/27/15 8:52 am

Can you imagine the douchiness of anyone driving one?

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ThomG25 Texas
07/27/15 9:09 am

One day we'll all be douchess driving electric cars. I think they're pretty cool and it's good that we are getting more companies to enter in the electric car market.

SaintAnger sumkindamonster
07/27/15 9:25 am

Probably drinking their Starbucks and writing their novel on their dash while also never using a turn signal and riding everyone's ass.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff leftist
07/27/15 9:59 am

Yes I can. And it's horrifying

arizonatexan
07/27/15 8:34 am

Yes I do think that they will be Telsa and make yet another overly expensive electric car

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ThomG25 Texas
07/27/15 9:10 am

The more people who enter into the electric car market the cheaper the cars will eventually become.

FreeNation Pro Liberty
07/27/15 9:22 am

Elon Musk knows what he's doing, if they were to make a cheap electric car first, no one would want to buy it. Electric cars had the stereotypes of slow useless and impractical. he made a very expensive supercar that's to first make them desirable.

FreeNation Pro Liberty
07/27/15 9:23 am

Can't just make a really cheap electric car and expect everyone to buy it they simply won't sell.

thatguy2 We tried to warn you
07/27/15 10:07 am

Last I heard, Tesla is set to introduce a $35,000 model early next year. I know that "cheap" is relative, but this will certainly be more attainable than their current $80,000 lowend model.

SonofThunder peace
07/27/15 8:57 pm

Guys it has nothing to do with strategy, it's the fact that making a viable affordable electric car is impossible until the giga factory in Nevada is done.

trollthepoll Pro Choice
07/27/15 8:33 am

Fuck electric cars

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Liberty 4,032,064
07/27/15 8:24 am

BMW already makes an electric car.

Maybe this one will be white inside and out, use ten year old technology, and be called an iCar at double the price of Tesla?

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sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
07/27/15 9:09 am

Now that is funny...and true!

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
07/27/15 9:10 am

It will probably only run on a special brand of electricity..."iVolts."

rons screw politicians
07/27/15 8:22 am

Maybe they can make something affordable. Tesla's are for the rich and Hollywood elite.

TomM
07/27/15 8:26 am

In my opinion a BMW isn't exactly the most affordable car. The electric i8 costs well over 100k.

rons screw politicians
07/27/15 8:28 am

So only the rich and famous can have it! i'm out!

FreeNation Pro Liberty
07/27/15 9:28 am

There's a cheaper Tesla coming out, rumored to be 30 grand before government incentives, and after a federal tax credit of $7,500 it will make a very affordable car.

TomM
07/27/15 9:48 am

Free, yes but it won't be until 2017 according to the latest rumors I have heard and people are speculating that they won't get it down to 30k.

FreeNation Pro Liberty
07/27/15 9:54 am

Only two years away, these things can't happen overnight after all, most cars take seven years to develop so that means they have to have been working on this for a while, after the tax credit it will cost $22,500.

FreeNation Pro Liberty
07/27/15 9:54 am

And if you live in a state like California or Tennessee you will get an even bigger tax credit.

rons screw politicians
07/27/15 10:35 am

Tesla will pick up where Fisker left off.

Reaganomics34
07/27/15 7:59 am

I would drive an electric vehicle when I can get the same power for my Silverado gas guzzler

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NICKKO1
07/27/15 7:58 am

BMW already has a electric car and motorcycle

FreeNation Pro Liberty
07/27/15 9:30 am

BMW has two electric cars, the i3 and i8 but they both suck.

TomM
07/27/15 7:55 am

Sounds really cool. Rumor has it that Porsche is preparing an all electric sedan for presentation this year. This will be great. The competition will drive the price down driving radius up etc, in a few years we can all join. Yeah capitalism at work.

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
07/27/15 8:06 am

But, but, somebody won't get one. It's unfaiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

TomM
07/27/15 8:20 am

California has already suggested tax payer supported cars. It may be too late for ObamaCars but I'm sure Hillary will step in.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
07/27/15 8:25 am

Because having a late model vehicle is a human right.

TiredofIt Texas
07/27/15 7:52 am

Who cares? Electric cars are worse for the environment than normal cars.

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/27/15 7:55 am

Only because the US has a dirty electric infrastructure. That could change.

TiredofIt Texas
07/27/15 7:59 am

It won't because it will be FAR too expensive. But you go ahead and pay more for no reason if you like!

corino Utah
07/27/15 8:06 am

Besides where do you plug in an electric car anyway? I can drive my gas burner from sea to shining sea and there is infrastructure to refuel every 50 miles.

FreeNation Pro Liberty
07/27/15 9:32 am

@corino you're right there isn't a large infrastructure as of right now. but it is quickly growing, electric car charging stations are much cheaper to put up then new fuel pumps

corino Utah
07/27/15 9:42 am

We don't need a bunch of new fuel pumps we already have them, which makes fuel pumps cheaper.

FreeNation Pro Liberty
07/27/15 9:47 am

Maybe not but we do need to constantly maintain current pumps and eventually build new ones as new communities arise, I'm not saying that electric cars will take over gas cars overnight but the next 50 years you will see more and more electric cars

TiredofIt Texas
07/27/15 9:50 am

Just because we will see more and more doesn't mean they are any better than gas cars.

corino Utah
07/27/15 9:56 am

Building electric AND gas infrastructure in parallel sounds like the most expensive option.

FreeNation Pro Liberty
07/27/15 9:57 am

In some aspects electric cars are better than other aspects gas cars are better its a give-and-take.

FreeNation Pro Liberty
07/27/15 10:02 am

@Corino, a charging station is just a transformer wired up to the main power grid, basically a bigger scale version of what your phone uses to charge, meaning current gas pumps can add one on very cheaply.

TiredofIt Texas
07/27/15 10:03 am

Actually with electric cars, it's all take! Lol

TiredofIt Texas
07/27/15 10:05 am

You make it sound like charging the battery takes the se 5-10 minutes that filling up the car with gas takes. You do realize it's basically 4-8 hours to charge right?

corino Utah
07/27/15 10:22 am

Q: is it cheaper for me to own and maintain gas and electric cars or jist take a plane when I need to go across the country?

FreeNation Pro Liberty
07/27/15 10:49 am

Tesla got the charging time down to about 45 min, with there supercharger stations, not amazing, but feasible.

TiredofIt Texas
07/27/15 10:53 am

So I have to plan my charges for when I stop to eat. Got it.

This is why you controllers will never win. I should and will continue to have choices.

FreeNation Pro Liberty
07/27/15 4:02 pm

"Controllers"? I was simply saying that electric cars was feasible alternative to gas, I never said we should force them on anyone, it would still be a consumer's choice (as it should be)

corino Utah
07/27/15 4:04 pm

If it takes you 45 mins to gas up raise your hand.

TiredofIt Texas
07/27/15 4:04 pm

Well I'm glad you agree we should have choices, but the vast majority of people who are pushing electric cars expect those to be the only choices...

FreeNation Pro Liberty
07/27/15 4:28 pm

@corino no, if I had an electric car I would simply plan ahead and charge my car at night, meaning never needing to fill up again. @tire while that group does exist, they are mostly extremist Democrats and the Green Party, most Americans like freedom

rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
07/28/15 4:26 am

45 minutes is not feasible if you need a mid trip charge. Pretty soon we'll be complaining about "all day battery life" on cars

sea California
07/27/15 7:47 am

Beat Tesla? Maybe in the long run, because BMW has expertise and Apple has the cash. Offer a similar car at a similar price? Yeah probably.

PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
07/27/15 7:46 am

I can only imagine driving an apple electric car... Absolutely no storage space and is always running out of battery. Then you would need a special proprietary lug wrench to change the tires.

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TomM
07/27/15 7:50 am

LOL

rons screw politicians
07/27/15 8:23 am

And no place to plug in anything!

jvc1133 61535
07/27/15 7:42 am

At the present time electrical care are cost prohibitive, we need a revolution like Henry.

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jvc1133 61535
07/27/15 8:02 am

Cars AC, helpful but at times frustrating.

gonzoboy Arizona
07/27/15 7:24 am

I'ma offer a hesitant "Probably", simply because these are two corporations with a rich, quality history. If Apple REALLY wanted to beat Tesla, they should've gone after Elon Musk! They're one of few companies on the planet with that kinda capital!

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cowboy Here and There
07/27/15 7:22 am

Only if the Government lets them. The Government already has Telsa's genius idea of free energy.

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mc88 Cleveland OSU
07/27/15 2:06 pm

There is no such thing as free energy