U.S. ally Israel is clearly unhappy with the deal to lift sanctions against Iran. If they conduct a cyber-attack against Iran's nuclear capabilities in the near future, should we support them?
This is a joke. We cannot jeopardize the very existence of our main Ally. I cannot believe that our leadership is so idealistic that they would risk something so drastic. It would almost be funny if it wasn't real life.
I stopped reading the comments because they got too hateful.
"The Palestinians are terrorists, they elected Hamas"
"You're a Nazi!"
"You're ugly ""no,YOU'RE ugly""no you are" "i know you are but what am I?" *sticks out tongue*
That's what you sound
Like. Some of you support Israel, and some of you support Palestine. But hopefully, no one supports Hamas. But the question is about Iran, and some are afraid Iran will attack them. And if they do, they'll also get Palestine. radiation tra
Travels. And if they have problems with another country, and their leader is as whacked as Abedjerhoweveryouspellhisname, he could nuke them too. And who would they blame? And it,would turn into WW3. I hope not. I'd think no one would want to
Use them because no one wants to die from radiation poisoning. But what do politicians care. They got their little bunkers
Someone give me a good reason why we shouldn't support Israel trying to defend themselves from the very people who have gone on the record several times stating they'd love nothing more than to obliterate Israel entirely. Someone? Anyone?
Have you ever heard of the 6 Days War? It lasted, you guessed it, 6 days. What happened was the Arab countries thought they could invade Israel and reclaim "what was rightfully theirs." Israel kicked the shit out of every invading force and actually
acquired land as a result of the conflict. Bottom line is Israel has established itself as an elite military force. We've given them unfathomable amounts of money and tech to the point that they're at the same level as us now. They can absolutely
get by without us holding their hand
The 6 days war. I think God was on Israels side. The land was never the Arabs. It belonged to the Jews. It was transferred to British control after WW2 and Britain laid out Israel. It's not the Arabs land
They could but we need to keep supporting Israel bcuz it's in our interest to. The have a strategic location and we need a better foot hold in the war on Terror
That's why I put "rightfully theirs" in quotations. And do you know how many FOB's we have in the Middle East? A lot. We have a lot. Don't even get me started on the war on terror
We do but not in good areas all the time. We r a superpower. We need to live up to the task. And Israel is not at the same level as we r
Two things about being a "superpower":
1. It in no way makes us responsible for another country's political or social or economic climate
2. It costs hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars to maintain combat readiness and upkeep the military
More money is spent on health care programs and more money is lost with environmental laws and and over regulation of business. Maybe we should start with that.
I agree we need to reform/repeal some illogical policies. However, we spend over $600 billion of taxpayer money on the military. The next largest department, budget wise, is education at only $720 million.....
Anything Israel does to Iran is fine by me.
We've given enough to Israel. We need to cut ties and let them do them.
Yes, by all means cut ties to our only democratic ally in the region.
And remove our foothold in the frontlines of the war on terror. Real smart. Sometimes u neoliberals make me laugh
It's funny because I'm a libertarian, not a liberal. When I say cut ties, I mean cut the billions upon billions of dollars we send them every year. We keep them as an ally, but quit giving them money we can't afford to give them.
We can afford to give them. They r the only real democracy in the area and we need them to be strong. They barely were able to survive without us and we need them to have a good army
We can afford to give them money????? Have you seen our National Debt? We need to support Israel becoming independent. I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about, you're just regurgitating Faux News
And Israel is slowly becoming independent. They r. Our national dept was because of all the new programs Obama put. And a little bcuz of bush's Iraq war. Israel we can afford. It's other things we need to cut
Our national debt is a result of both Bush and Obama's ineptitude to properly set a budget. Yes, they're both equally responsible. The last I checked, we owe over $18 Trillion. That's 12 zeros.
But what you're telling me is we should support Israel before we support ourselves.
Supporting Israel is supporting ourselves. Good foothold in that volitile area. Closer to the middle eastern oil fields. There's probably more that we don't know about.
Oh okay so you support foreign dependence for oil....
You may or may not be aware that Israel spends about 75% of US military aid it receives in the US. The United States benefits through jobs, technology, testing grounds and intelligence
If they do that, then they're basically reducing themselves to terrorists. Attacking a nuclear program, even as a cyber attack, can have catastrophic results. If Israel does that, then they've become what they hated, do no,
We shouldn't back them.
Not unless they stop the research with cyber warfare. Israel won't be the terrorists then and they aren't. It's Iran who is
Since Israel is Right and Obama is a Big Dummy.....I am thinking Yah.
Then tell them to put sanctions on Iran without us. They're our allies, not our leadership.
Guess what it's gonna be had for us also if the sanctions come off
I guess you people aren't tired of sending our children to die fighting wars for Israel. All you have to do is follow the money and you'll see who benefits from war in the Middle East.
How is it just their problem when they are our ally! People face the facts they are our ally put yourself in their shoes and think again!
Ally, not overlords.
We're allowed to do stuff without their approval.
And we shouldn't support them attacking someone just because we won't do something to hurt that nation's economy,
Iran has stated on several occasions they'd love nothing more than to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. That is a fact. Why would anyone in their right minds blame Israel for doing whatever they can to prevent Iran's nuclear proliferation?
The Governmental political position aside, why wouldn't we? They are an long time ally in the generally anti-American Middle East. Yet we still chose to jump into bed with their enemy.
If it doesn't make sense, turn off Fox News, and look up why we're doing what we're doing.
It seems "they're just dumb and not as smart as I" is an acceptable answer to too many people.
Why should we be getting involved in other countries' problems. Costs money and soldiers' lives
Did you notice that the question was about a cyber attack?
Plus that's what our soldiers sign up for man, at least some of them. To be put out in the action to help people maybe not in our country but round the world!
Let them fight their own wars. It costs us too much money.
We need to stop getting involved in Israel and all these other countries in the middle East...
That's there problem. We shouldn't interfere.
We shouldn't support Israel period.
They're horrible people. Have you seen what's been done to Palestine?
Don't support, but don't interfere either.
No, there's no reason to incite violence and get involved with their jew vs muslim war.
That's an incredibly insensitive comment. This is not a "Jew vs. Muslim" war, this is a situation where one country has openly threatened the other and has funded terrorist groups to attack it, while the other has merely tried to defend itself.
I would. Our terrorist sympathizing President wouldn't.
This is a breathtakingly stupid comment.
You misspelled correct.
hell no, we need to stay out of that war hungary area.
Hungary is a country
If they want to do that they can go ahead, but since it's just a cyber attacking they don't need our "support"
We can't support Israel if it unilaterally goes on the offensive. We get nothing from supporting them but would pay a heavy cost in lost credibility. I don't understand why the U.S. favors Israel over all others in the Middle East.
It's not unilateral. Iran's militant arm, Hezbollah, has been firing rockets at Israeli civilians for decades.
Plus they have the only un rigged election system in the entire Middle East
Plus they have also funded another terrorist organization, Hamas, in their efforts to launch missiles into Israel
If we ink a deal with a country we should not turn around and attack them. That can only be bad for us, and it shows our word means nothing.
Why would anyone support inking a deal with known terrorists in the first place? I stand with Israel, our democratic ally, who is on the receiving end of death threats from these terrorists daily.
Israel should attack Iran with weapons, not code.
This is 2015
Yes. Israel has some very advanced weapons that are not code.
Attacks us, lies to us, uses us. "Shining beacon of democracy".
SonOfMetal, we know you're a fucking Nazi or Radical Islamist. Just admit it.
It's getting old hearing such a lineal way of looking at things. "If it isn't supporting Democracy then it's an evil communist." Believe it, there's a world out there bigger than the U.S , and there are many different ways to do something that works.
I'm neither a nazi nor an Islamist. Hard to be a nazi when I am strongly against genocide and nationalism. Hard to be an Islamist when I'm not a Muslim. Simple minded insults from a simple minded person.
Israel better start respecting us. I'm tired of them taking our tax dollars and weapons and then betraying us. If we don't start standing up to them they'll destroy us.
When Obama disses their president on open microphones? And supports financial deals with Iran? Israel's only hope is that Iran is farther away from the Bomb than Jan 22 2017.
I don't know where you got your bullshit statistic. Israel hands over all their enriched uranium; they aren't allowed to produce a fraction of enough for a decade.
“Known unknowns and there are Unknown unknowns.”
They better be 100% damn sure of Iran starting up their nuclear program to provoke such an attack. Even if they're 100% I'd still weigh the pros and cons of lending our support.
What makes you think they've stopped?
Why support aggression?
Because setting up Iran as a regional power was politically expedient to the Obama administration.
Is that relevant?
Yes. It's why Obama supported aggression.
That doesn't make it our fault. If Iran does something bad, that's their fault. Plain and simple.
Is it, though? This "deal" has installed Iran as a regional power and made it possible for them to misbehave on a grand scale. They've been consistently misbehaving to the best of their capacity for decades now.
Not really...that's the whole point of this deal. To make sure they DONT misbehave on a grand scale.
No, that's the lie you have been told about the deal. The function is to install a terrorist state as a regional power in the Middle East.
This question uses some biased phrasing... who made this poll?
What's wrong with it?
He phrases 'ally' and 'clearly unhappy'.
Both are objective realities.
I wish we'd just let them hang themselves.
They need walk the walk... They are nothing without us.
Since Obama has now sold us down the river, Israel is our next best hope.
We should always support Israel against the barbarians.
Okay Caesar. Go get those big bad barbarians
I'd support them if they conducted a cyber attack on 0bama.
Obama would be pissed once he learned about it from the news.
I support Israel a lot more than I support the us.
What in the what?
No suitcase. This my right to bitch about everything and then collect free bennies too.
I'm just going to assume that in saying "than I support the US", you meant "than I support the current US government". Unless you're going full rogue on us. Which is totally your right.
Gov is a reflection of the people in a democratic society. Our Gov sucks because the people suck. People complain about Obama, but fail to recognize that it takes majority of Americans to be equally idiotic for Obama to get elected.
Israel has very legitimate security interests while America goes about waging unjust war after unjust war. We have gallons of blood on our hands whilst making pusillanimous agreements with countries like Iran.
I'm heading to bed now and won't respond again til tomorrow. Thanks Rode for your civil discourse, as always. I wish more were like you.
I may not agree with you there, but I have to recognize the amazing use of pusillanimous. You're elevating things to another level with words like that.
Is it because Netanyahu wants to merge church and state?
I did answer yes to this question, but only because I know Israel is much better to us than Iran. However, I am not a supporter of Netanyahu.
No. Flat out. No
Wow, choice comment from a thread below, "I'm not Jewish, but I appreciate Israel and know what constitutes a real Jew and not just someone who has Jew in their blood. "
Where do these folks come from?
Israel is right on this.
Sure, if you'd like to support them. That's your decision to make.
We support Israel no matter what
So if Israel tried to do genocide you would support that?
Self-preservation ,yes. No matter what.they were once victims of attempted genocide . No more. Not again.
Is the slow genocide in Palestinian Territories self preservation?
The holocaust doesn't give them a green card for anything for the rest of eternity.
The words "no matter what" should never be used.... no matter what.
"Is the slow genocide in Palestinian Territories self preservation?"
As long as the Palestinians keep electing terrorist organizations as their government, yes.
The Palestinians r the ones sending rockets into Israel. Israel just responds
Israel's civilian kill rate is way more than Hamas lol. Also, Hitler, you can't just genocide people who elect groups you don't like regardless.
That's right, Delta. And Israel doesn't store munitions in schools and places where there is a civilian population.
"Israel's civilian kill rate is way more than Hamas lol."
That's because the people killing Israelis are civilians.
"Also, Hitler, you can't just genocide people who elect groups you don't like regardless."
I'm not the one backing groups currently trying to commit genocide against innocent Jews.
The Palestinians elected Hamas on the "we kill Israeli schoolchildren" platform. Their civilian populace poses a national security threat to Israel.
You're right, you're advocating the genocide of Palestinians. Also you need to fact check your boot licking. Look at the statistics of casualties. And also you still believe that "weapons in schools and hospitals" propaganda? That was investigated
And disproven by a dozen nations... Mostly "allied" too. Anyway you wanna justify it, your accepting murder and the mistreatment of others. It is what it is. You're no better.
Let me be more correct in saying there was evidence of a SINGLE incident where weapons were being transported through a school, not even intentionally left. But that single report is a nationalist best friend, then they generalized the whole conflict
And I called you Hitler not in the literal sense but because of your nazi like ability to ignore, justify, and white wash atrocity on other human beings.
"You're right, you're advocating the genocide of Palestinians."
Only if they keep electing terrorist organizations as their government. In that case, it's justified by self defense.
"Also you need to fact check your boot licking."
I might say the same to you. You're licking the blood of children off terrorist boots.
"Look at the statistics of casualties."
"And also you still believe that 'weapons in schools and hospitals' propaganda?"
Hard not to when you've seen video of rockets being launched from the roof of a hospital.
"Anyway you wanna justify it, your accepting murder and the mistreatment of others."
I'm justifying Israel fighting a war back against people who literally will not be satisfied until the Jewish people are extinguished from the Earth.
Essentially all you did was just take my rebuttal and say "no you are". If you're going to make a point without evidence, I will dismiss it without evidence. Also, you clearly do not understand not all Palestinians are Hamas. You might as well be a
Nationalist since you deal in generalizations. I wonder if you realize how low the numbers of Hamas were until Israel started bombing again. Do you even know now? If you think they are all Hamas you are waaaaaay off target.
Fact of the matter is NO level of "self defense" justifies a genocide. I wouldn't expect a nazi to understand that, but at least entertain the idea. Although every nation who commits it certainly uses "muh self defense!" As their excuse
"Essentially all you did was just take my rebuttal and say 'no you are'."
Well, I also explained WHY, you were...
"If you're going to make a point without evidence, I will dismiss it without evidence."
I made my point with sound argumentation, which you will need to dismiss it.
"Also, you clearly do not understand not all Palestinians are Hamas."
I understand that Palestinians ELECTED Hamas. They don't all have to be members to be actively engaged as a people in attempting to eradicate the Jewish people.
"I wonder if you realize how low the numbers of Hamas were until Israel started bombing again."
Self defense bombing does not justify genocide against innocent Israeli citizens.
"Fact of the matter is NO level of 'self defense' justifies a genocide."
Sorry, that's untrue. If an entire ethnic group is involved in trying to kill innocent civilians, then that entire ethnic group can be killed in self defense until they stop.
We are talking about people who literally elected their representation to murder Israeli school children. How do you justify complaining about the people who bomb THAT?
The entire ethnic group ISNT trying to kill off them you nazi twit! If you believe that you are beyond brainwashed. I can't believe how much you are trying to make genocide sound good. I see you haven't looked up those stats yet. Last summer conflict
In wars, people are judged as sides, not as individuals, because it is not possible to judge individually in war. The Palestinians are responsible to stop Hamas from blowing up school kids, not ELECT them to do it!
Hamas fired off rockets that killed 68 Israelis almost ALL of whom were soldiers. Israel responded with dozens upon dozens of rockets that killed 2,130 Palestinians, almost entirely civilians, while their actions increased Hamas membership
Israel will kill Palestinians until Palestinians stop trying to kill innocent Israeli citizens.
Hamas will kill Jews until all the Jews are dead. I'm supporting the former, you're supporting the latter. You are the Nazi.
Not to mention the regular rockets Israel sends over into gaza regardless... There's no Israeli genocide occurring. There's no Palestinian settlements or bulldozed Israel homes. There are pissed off Palestinian terrorists because of those things
But if you think anyone but Israel is committing genocide, you truly are brainwashed. I still can't believe you try to blanket statement an entire ethnic group to justify the genocide you enjoy so much. Sickening nazi dog.
"Hamas fired off rockets that killed 68 Israelis almost ALL of whom were soldiers."
Being bad at murder is no justification to continue murdering.
"Israel responded with dozens upon dozens of rockets that killed 2,130 Palestinians, almost entirely civilians"
Because the Palestinian fighting force is made of civilians, and because they lash children to their launch sites.
I'm not the one advocating genocide, nationalism, and uninformed generalizations, you are. You fit much better under the label of nazi. You think this is some kind of religious struggle when it's almost entirely politically motivated.
"But if you think anyone but Israel is committing genocide, you truly are brainwashed."
The leaders of Hamas have expressed delight with the Jews moving to Israel so they won't have to hunt them down all over the world. Palestinian genocide of Jews.
The day the Palestinians stop shooting, the violence ends.
The day the Israelis stop shooting, the Israel and all the Jews in it end.
You are such a dumbass xD Hamas wasn't around "hunting Jews". Jesus how uneducated can you be. And you clearly aren't listening. The casualty reports count Hamas causality separate. I know you love when civilians die, but they arent counted as
"I'm not the one advocating genocide,"
Only upon the condition that they continue to try and kill Israeli citizens.
Why do you think the Palestinians will never stop prosecuting genocide against the Jews? How can you support that?!
Civilians if they are active in the fighting. You really should educate yourself on reality before jumping into these kinds of debates with your emotions and politician bootlicking. Especially when you express how effective you think genocide is
I NEVER said I support Hamas. Nazis are so narrow minded. I support the nonviolent free Palestine movement and I support being informed over being propagandized. I support Palestine rights, their land to not get conquered on and diplomatic compromise
"The casualty reports count Hamas causality separate."
You're a real tool if you think everyone contributing to the effort to kill all the Jews is a member of Hamas.
Israel has taken unprecedented steps to spare noncombatants, but the Palestinians "love death more than Israel loves life". That's straight from their creed.
Out of both of us YOU are the only one who enjoys the killing and the wars, as you have plainly stated many times within this thread. Go soak your head.
Israel warns a building is going to be destroyed, and instead of evacuating, the Palestinians pack it with "civilians" who want to be martyred for PR to batter Israel with. It's sick. It's death worship, to back genocide.
You support real evil.
You claim I love killing and wars, but you support the ones who keep the killing and wars going. Hypocrite.
1) site that "Palestinian Creed". Please. I'm waiting. 2) I'll take the word of a dozen international investigations over a single nations nazi white washing rhetoric.
Did I not just say I support non violence and not Hamas whatsoever? Is it that hard to get it through your thick genocidal skull? I wonder if you realize 22 resolutions by over 34 nations have been passed against Israel's excessive mistreatment
2) You'll take whatever bolsters your preconceived notions and ignore the truth.
Over the Palestinian population since 2000. And only 1 against Palestine. I bet that's some kind of big global "anti Semitic" conspiracy against them huh! Being for the wellbeing of others is so "anti Semitic"! Support peace and you support terror!
You are such a simple minded twit
"Palestinian Watch", seen this before, most of it is opinionated bullshit and things that literally can't be confirmed anywhere else. How about a credible source nazi? Or do you know what that even means.
"Did I not just say I support non violence and not Hamas whatsoever?"
Yes, but then you support the people who elected them, so the only rational conclusion is that you have lied.
"I wonder if you realize 22 resolutions by over 34 nations"
All with leaders with an axe to grind against Israel. Do you really put any weight on Somali and Libyan and Iranian resolutions against Israel?
You're thought process is so linear it gives me headaches...
"seen this before, most of it is opinionated b******t and things that literally can't be confirmed anywhere else."
It's a direct quote from a statement, you moron!
Most of those nations were from Europe bud. Try again.
"You're thought process is so linear it gives me headaches..."
You don't process thought at all. You're just regurgitating. A linear thought process is completely valid and yields excellent results. Your results are pure crap.
Lol I like how the nazi says im regurgitating. Brother, I've taken several years to come to this conclusion, I've analyzed both sides critically. I used to support Israel too, because I didn't know anything about the situation. Like you have also
No MOST of them were not. Some included European nations, where antisemitism is reaching early 1900s levels, sure, but the fact of the matter is the resolutions are just leftist bull.
This war runs on Palestinian aggression. You want the war to stop? Stop the Palestinians.
shown, you are very misinformed and using single state rhetoric to argue the entire thing. You make assumptions by connecting dots that aren't even there...
You attack the supposed source of my rhetoric because you can't attack the content. You chose the evil side of this fight, and it shows in what you can and cannot argue.
This is a war of Palestinian aggression against innocents, and justified retaliation. Nothing more.
I'll just leave you with this. I feel from what you've given me it sums up your personality pretty well. and advice, fact check your arguments more often lol and just because someone doesn't agree with Israel's genocide, doesn't make them a terrorist
Or maybe it's real Muslim antisemitism with angry mobs chanting "death to the Jews". Could be that instead of your stupid sitcom reference.
No, but we shouldn't be against them either, there's just some things we shouldn't get involved in.
We need to mind our own business
The islamonazis are our sworn enemy. This deal is total capitulation. We need a new president to deal with this mess.
We should stay neutral
Lol. The U.S. Government would rather eat it's own dick than remain neutral on anything
Sure why not?
Do unto others ...
Why do we always forget that?
I don't think we should support them, but we shouldn't stop them either
Israel would do anything they can to provoke war with Iran, I wouldn't put a cyber attack below them. It's in Americas best interest to stop being their lapdog and not get ourselves into another pointless and expensive diplomatic/military conflict
Tell us more about why Israel would like a war with Iran...