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Mattwall1 July 25th, 2015 2:40pm

Do you think this Georgetown Law professor did the right thing when he told a woman with Confederate ancestors "I have no respect for your ancestors."

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bringstheeagle Colorado
07/26/15 12:56 pm

Apparently most people here only appreciate Politically Correctness when it applies to Liberal Black professors commenting about the confederate flag. Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh, Trump, and Fox News can say whatever they want and it's merely telling

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bringstheeagle Colorado
07/26/15 12:57 pm

it like it is and rejecting the national plague of political correctness. Lol. Double standard abounds here. Lol.

Mark3
07/26/15 4:18 am

Self-righteous people picking and choosing data sets that support their argument. It wasn't many generations ago that owning a slave was an aspired-to benefit of doing well, true of people of all colors. Truth is not the guilt industry's friend.

rebelfury76 F Trump, F his base
07/26/15 1:13 am

Just jumping on the bandwagon. He probably totally respects the colonists and early Americans who fucked up American natives.

Mattwall1
07/26/15 11:17 am

Something tells me he has the intellectual integrity to A, admit that, and B, call out those that did that, while not jumping on the confederate supporter bandwagon that still exists 150 years after the civil war

ken Tulsa,ok
07/25/15 8:54 pm

I bet the professors that said that is still in the party that was slave owned..

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Brrrrrrrrr
07/25/15 7:55 pm

As it happens, her ancestors would have been correct. He has no business being a law professor at Georgetown, or any professor anywhere.

RickyRosay
07/25/15 10:43 pm

He doesn't respect someone's ancestors, therefore he doesn't have any business being a law professor...? I fail to see the connection here. Enlighten me

Mattwall1
07/26/15 12:22 am

The reasons the ancestors wouldn't have been in favor of him being a law professor would not have to due with his qualifications or legal views (presumably your reason), but the fact they would've wanted him to be a slave without any education

Brrrrrrrrr
07/26/15 2:28 am

There are so many reasons he has no business going near any university, he gave one in almost every sentence he spoke.
First, he believes that any confederate veteran would have wanted him to be a slave. This egregious failure of basic logic alone

Brrrrrrrrr
07/26/15 2:31 am

should disqualify him from teaching, we look for clarity of thought in teachers. He also appears to be interested in political activism, such people cannot be trusted to teach objectively. he can occupy Washington if he wants that, not Georgetown.

Mattwall1
07/26/15 8:11 am

It's not really a difficult assumption to make given ante bellum southern society and the reason behind the confederate states attempted existence.

Brrrrrrrrr
07/26/15 9:00 am

It's not a difficult assumption, it's an impossible one. He hasn't so much as laid eyes on a single confederate veteran, yet he thinks he knows what every single one of the roughly 1 million would have wanted him to be. I find it ridiculous.

Brrrrrrrrr
07/26/15 9:03 am

It's as silly as some kook 150 years from now telling current veterans' descendants that they only went to Afghanistan because they wanted to 'kill brown people', or some junk like that. You know we already hear that kind of rhetoric today.

Mattwall1
07/26/15 9:06 am

It's not an illogical assumption. In a society where many southern states banned volition its literature, where many of the declarations of secession outright point to slavery as the major cause, and where it's own political leaders pointed to

Mattwall1
07/26/15 9:07 am

Slavery and white supremacy being the core of their attempted country (with some going to far as to claim that blacks were not only inferior to whites, but part of a lesser species from whites altogether), it's roughly the same level of difficultly

Mattwall1
07/26/15 9:08 am

As someone assuming that someone's ancestors from Nazi Germany were anti Semitic. Can you find outliers? Yes. Does basic probability point in that direction? Not at all

Brrrrrrrrr
07/26/15 9:50 am

Once you start dealing with probability, certainty goes out the window. What he said required certainty. you know as well as I do, it doesn't exist here.

Brrrrrrrrr
07/26/15 9:54 am

Furthermore, the idea that ancestors are not honorable because they believed something wrong is very stupid. These are fluid times we live in, he too has beliefs and causes that his descendants might find repulsive.

Brrrrrrrrr
07/26/15 9:55 am

Or does he think he's so wonderful that all future generations will look to his beliefs and activities and find them all perfectly honorable?

Brrrrrrrrr
07/26/15 10:14 am

Something which even missed is that the confederate army resorted to conscription. His case has become even more flimsy, because once conscription takes place there's even less reason to believe that every soldier supported the same cause.

RickyRosay
07/26/15 11:05 am

1. "he believes that any confederate veteran would have wanted him to be a slave. This egregious failure of basic logic..." - Brrr.

This statement has nothing to do with logic. It's his opinion that is either true or false. No logical inference.

RickyRosay
07/26/15 11:07 am

2. I sincerely doubt that he means "your ancestors" in the truly exhaustive sense of literally "every southerner". Obviously there were some southerners against slavery, but as a generalization, he is probably right.

RickyRosay
07/26/15 11:10 am

3. Why should he need to respect someone's ancestors who by and large stood against the well being of his own ancestors? Respect is not obligatory.

Brrrrrrrrr
07/26/15 4:39 pm

It is based on the following logic:
1) they were confederate veterans
2) therefore they would have wanted me to be a slave
Just because it's garbage logic it doesn't mean that he wasn't trying to use logic and failing.

Brrrrrrrrr
07/26/15 4:41 pm

And since when is generalization a good thing? It's a sign of sloppiness - Not something expected from professors. He could have said 'generally... So and so' but he didn't. He spoke about her ancestors with certainty.

jchristianreed South Carolina
07/25/15 6:51 pm

People act as if every white persona ancestors were slave owners! People need to learn their history.

BetweenRivers
07/25/15 6:36 pm

From my understanding, so long as he is only judging the ascenstors, his lack of respect for them is perfectly fine. I do not respect the slave holders within my family nor the ones that supported the Nazi movement.

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Mary05 who is that behind you
07/25/15 5:46 pm

He shouldn't judge her by those who came before her.

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Korosensei Maine
07/25/15 6:26 pm

He's not judging her he's judging e ancestors

Hooah Fmr. Zia
07/25/15 5:03 pm

Yes. I have no respect for Confederate ancestors.

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UniversePlan Michigan
07/25/15 3:42 pm

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Mark3
07/25/15 3:44 pm

Too late, I already did.

Mark3
07/25/15 3:41 pm

The man's an idiot, a pig. And you'd expect what from a Georgetown law professor. May he go into a productive line of work.

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Mark3
07/25/15 3:44 pm

There is no person now alive who has no ancestors who were slave owners.

Mark3
07/25/15 4:16 pm

Chimama, it's not possible. By the time you go back 14 generations you can trace your kinship to every other person alive. Just 5 generations back and I'm related to everyone around here and one heck of a lot of English, Germans, and Amerindians.

Mark3
07/25/15 4:40 pm

Thanks. Yeah, I have a cousin who's into it pretty heavy. Seems we have ancestors at Jamestown and ancestors watching them arrive, Jews here for the Civil war, and Jews in the ovens in WWII while my father was in North Africa. Yours traced far?

RedHale Texas
07/25/15 2:34 pm

I don't see it as either right or wrong, it's just his opinion. I wouldn't have said what he did, partially because it's a pointless statement considering that war has been over for over 150 years and it would be rude to the student, but I'm not-

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RedHale Texas
07/25/15 2:34 pm

-going to get upset at him for saying it.

tdkseth Texas
07/25/15 3:17 pm

Exactly what I was thinking

pietsch Another Adoring Fan
07/25/15 2:23 pm

It's silly to place current cultural ideals into a previous time and culture and then to feel all superior because you think differently, believing yourself to be so evolved. It's really ridiculous for a supposedly educated person to think that way.

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BroadwayGurl Previously Potterhead4eva
07/25/15 2:23 pm

Why should he? I don't. I wouldn't have any respect if they were my ancestors

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SteveMcqueen
07/25/15 1:39 pm

Plenty of people in the Union states had slaves too.

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Mark3
07/26/15 4:10 am

A good point apparently no one wants to address. The truth is that even if this professor's American ancestors weren't slaveowners, some further back were.

sea California
07/25/15 1:22 pm

Unless you think that slavery is great, why would you respect the confederate ancestors?

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s4mm1 MD SLP
07/25/15 2:34 pm

Because many of us actually understand history

sea California
07/26/15 10:39 am

You shouldn't respect his ancestors any more, especially if they practiced slavery as well.

dessy Indiana cornfield
07/25/15 1:09 pm

Well I mean... What's the point? He isn't in the wrong but that's rather pointless.

b4mytime Orange County, CA
07/25/15 2:54 pm

Did you watch the clip? He said it in response to her statement.

dessy Indiana cornfield
07/25/15 2:56 pm

I did indeed. I'm saying that's his comment was pretty pointless.

b4mytime Orange County, CA
07/26/15 1:08 am

So if someone German were to say "I have pride in my Nazi ancestors" during a discussion about the Nazi flag, and a Jewish person says, "Actually I have no respect for them bc they tried to kill my ancestors," you'd find that pointless too? Wondering

PurpleIdeas
07/25/15 1:04 pm

Confederate Soldiers are a disgrace to our country

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SteveMcqueen
07/26/15 7:12 am

They were actually not as huge of a disgrace as portrayed by the masses. The union soldiers (especially those led by General Sherman) who murdered innocent and unarmed women and children all throughout the south are the disgrace to America.

biker4life Arizona
07/25/15 12:57 pm

Seems pointless to say to someone that they don't respect dead ancestors.

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CottonClouds Southampton Massachusetts
07/25/15 12:52 pm

Yeah, what I was going to say was already covered: He didn't say that he didn't respect her, he said that he didn't respect her ancestors. And I don't blame him, considering what her ancestors motives and beliefs likely were.

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greeengoddess Minnesota
07/25/15 12:07 pm

To all the people saying that the woman didn't choose her ancestors: of course she didn't, and he wasn't saying that she has no respect for *her*. I wouldn't have any respect for my slave-owning ancestors either, nor rapist or murderer ancestors.

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b4mytime Orange County, CA
07/25/15 2:53 pm

Yes, and he didn't just say something about her ancestors randomly. SHE opened up the discussion by saying she respects her ancestors (who wanted him to be a possession).

Liberty Lets Use Logic
07/25/15 11:52 am

He's a jerk and an ignoramus.

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shygal47 florida east coast
07/25/15 11:19 am

No - but he's entitled to his opinion. You cannot help the family you are born into, you can only strive to change course as time goes by.

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b4mytime Orange County, CA
07/25/15 12:58 pm

He wasn't calling her out for the fact that she was born into her family!!! He was only referring to her statement that she "respects" her confederate ancestry by saying that he doesn't.

political Georgia
07/25/15 11:02 am

As if Yankees didn't own any slaves at all.

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FlipFlopGirl Sic semper tyrannis
07/25/15 10:44 am

You can't control what your ancestors did nor should anyone be held accountable for what they did.

Let's dig into his past and see what his ancestors did!

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b4mytime Orange County, CA
07/25/15 1:01 pm

Let's say he finds out his ancestors were pirates who went around stealing ships and killing crew. You're right that that's no reason to disrespect HIM. But then he says he respects them and their pirate flag. Now, do you see the problem?

FlipFlopGirl Sic semper tyrannis
07/25/15 1:36 pm

There are skeletons in every family tree. It is what it is but its no reason to be an ass about it.

b4mytime Orange County, CA
07/25/15 2:39 pm

Huh? Sorry, I don't think you get it. How is it not being an ass to tell someone that you DO respect your ancestors who wanted his kind to be possessions they could buy, sell, whip, and shoot at their own discretion? Isn't that disrespectful itself?

FlipFlopGirl Sic semper tyrannis
07/25/15 3:10 pm

I do get it, you just don't agree. Regardless of what our ancestors have or have not done has no impact on how I evaluate you as a person. The professor was extremely disrespectful, that student had no control over what her ancestors did.

Mattwall1
07/25/15 6:37 pm

From what I can tell, it wasn't a student (I might be mistaken there) but a caller on NPR. He also didn't say a word about disrespecting HER. He did say he disrespected the ancestors she was attempting to uphold. To me, there's a difference.

b4mytime Orange County, CA
07/26/15 1:03 am

FlipFlopGirl, maybe you didn't watch the video? He wasn't saying anything about her. And he only said he didn't have respect for her ancestors AFTER she said that she did respect them. Like Matt said, he didn't go after her for her ancestry.

b4mytime Orange County, CA
07/26/15 1:05 am

So I DO, in fact, agree with what you are saying. The bad deeds of our ancestors should have no effect on how we are evaluated. We agree. It's just that that isn't what the professor did at all.

DrReid Ever present.
07/25/15 10:28 am

A little harsh because you don't choose your ancestors, but he is right to have no respect for confederates.

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b4mytime Orange County, CA
07/25/15 1:01 pm

Arrrgghhh, read above please

Mattwall1
07/25/15 6:38 pm

Reid-that's true, but he didn't say he disrespected her due to her ancestors. He limited it to saying he disrespected the ancestors. That may be a subtle distinction, but it is an existent one

Nik
07/25/15 10:14 am

Isn't it like a Jewish teacher saying "I have no respect for your Nazi ancestors"?

I don't see a problem

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b4mytime Orange County, CA
07/25/15 1:05 pm

Chimama: Woah there. You don't see the difference between a Jewish person having a problem with Nazis who VICTIMIZED Jews and a Nazi having a problem with Jewish people who basically were just trying to live their lives? How's that a double standard?

b4mytime Orange County, CA
07/25/15 1:08 pm

By that logic, there's no difference between the descendants of the SF woman who was killed saying "I have no respect for the illegal immigrant who shot her" and the descendants of the immigrant saying "I have no respect for the victim." What?

b4mytime Orange County, CA
07/25/15 2:43 pm

That may be, but to call that a double standard is a stretch. When we decide if something is "out of bounds," we essentially judge it based on our own moral/philosophical codes. It's only a double standard if both ways equally violate the same code.

b4mytime Orange County, CA
07/25/15 2:46 pm

If one believes "Stabbing someone out of nowhere is wrong and it's okay to call someone out for it," it's not a double standard to then say "It's NOT okay to say you have no respect for someone because they got in the way of a knife and died." Lol

b4mytime Orange County, CA
07/25/15 2:47 pm

In the real life examples here, it's pretty clear who the victims were and who the perpetrators were. If someone wants to argue that the Nazis or the slaveowners were actually the victims, then they can discuss that separately.

DrReid Ever present.
07/25/15 3:16 pm

Except objectively Nazis were the aggressors, so it does not matter what they thought.

Nazis were a group of evil people, the Jews are simply a group of people with a shared heritage, and little collective organization.

Nemacyst Registered Text Offender
07/25/15 9:05 am

I'd have looked at that professor and said "At least a group of people were willing to fight and die against tyranny"

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Mattwall1
07/25/15 9:10 am

And it's more likely than not he would've immediately said back "Yes, but those were Union men, whether by birth or the immigrants who came to fight what for them was an anti slavery and pro republican government crusade, not that woman's ancestors"

Nemacyst Registered Text Offender
07/25/15 9:13 am

Hate to say it, I'd rather someone defend themselves against perceived tyranny than to be too cowardly to stand for what they believe.

Mattwall1
07/25/15 9:17 am

While the concept of your statement in itself, is not ignoble, states committing treason because they're paranoid that the Republican plan in 1860 was to basically end slavery, and unleash the slaves on whites as revenge, and that they had lost

Mattwall1
07/25/15 9:19 am

Electoral power that they had had through the three fifths clause due to northern population growth, and then rebelling for several years because they were convinced that slavery and white supremacy were correct, and that, as they viewed it, "The

Mattwall1
07/25/15 9:20 am

Black Republican" power would lead to tyranny of the south is petty at best. If anything, their secession made slavery's end more likely, since it forced that discussion both into the meld of persevering the union and onto the international scene,

Mattwall1
07/25/15 9:22 am

Both in terms of diplomacy and as part of the Civil War being seen as the ultimate experiment for long lasting republican government in a state larger than San Marino. They could claim tyranny all they want, but when a southern victory would only

Mattwall1
07/25/15 9:23 am

Succeed in preserving slavery and creating a country built on the ideas of slavery and white supremacy, as well as proving to the despots of Europe that republican governments of the people could never last, they might have felt tyranny, but not only

Nemacyst Registered Text Offender
07/25/15 9:24 am

You keep going back to this slavery concept when the fact is, it was about the Federal Government blatantly disobeying the Constitution of the United States. Specifically the 10th amendment.

Mattwall1
07/25/15 9:25 am

Can one argue there's a certain pathetic nature about it, anyone claiming to be prideful of what they fought for or defending them today ultimately must prove why they can support republican government, a ban on slavery, and being against racism and

Mattwall1
07/25/15 9:25 am

Ideas of racial supremacy while supporting a movement whose success would've preserved and enshrined the latter two and destroyed the former.

Mattwall1
07/25/15 9:27 am

I keep going back to the slavery issue since Confederate leaders openly said that was the cause, their declarations of secession point at slavery, and any analysis of the social, political, or economic situation that caused it points to that as the

Mattwall1
07/25/15 9:28 am

Major focal point uniting it all. The tenth amendment argument is ultimately useless given that you cannot logically claim that federal laws dealing with future states, but then federal land, violated a state's rights. It's creative, but nonsensical

Mattwall1
07/25/15 3:30 pm

Chim-I absolutely know why the Union was fighting, why the so called Confederacy was fighting, and how the people of Europe viewed it. It's appalling that a Holocaust denier who has shown support for the Confederacy and denied its positions would

Mattwall1
07/25/15 3:31 pm

Claim to be an American Nationalist or have intelligence, but I suppose this fight can't be won by either of us

Mattwall1
07/25/15 3:36 pm

I fully agree it was ad hominem. However, given your ad hominem came first, ad hominem as a response to ad hominem (or attempted ad hominem) is simply fair play.

Mattwall1
07/25/15 3:38 pm

"Mattwall, this is f*****g offensive. Don't disguise your PC b******t as American Nationalism. As a nationalist I find this utter disrespect for American history and culture appalling. Never use the word "patriotism" in this context again."-you, in

Mattwall1
07/25/15 3:39 pm

Reference to a resolution against the confederate flag. You're a wannabe nationalist. You can't claim that someone supporting treasonous symbols on public lands is a nationalist. Il ow you'll try and claim its history and culture. The problem is no

Mattwall1
07/25/15 3:40 pm

Actual nationalist would support that for rebellious symbols via placement on government property

PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
07/25/15 8:32 am

That person didn't choose their ancestors, I don't have have much respect for crazy out of touch social science professors.

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RoDe Latinus wordsus
07/25/15 8:59 am

He didn't say, I don't respect you because of who your ancestors are, he said, I don't respect your ancestors because of who your ancestors are. Big difference.

rons on top of the world MA
07/25/15 8:24 am

Maybe he should worry more about modern day slavery. They mans a fool.

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rons on top of the world MA
07/25/15 8:21 am

I have no respect for liberal professors who have big mouths.

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Mattwall1
07/25/15 9:06 am

His political bent and/or legal interpretation all style really isn't the issue here, is it? Though if it is, remind me to point this out if you say you are against anyone saying negatives about hard workers. And by having a big mouth do you mean

Mattwall1
07/25/15 9:06 am

Saying this, or saying anything?

rons on top of the world MA
07/25/15 9:09 am

I think he disrespected the person. Not every single southern that existed owned or wanted to own a slave. Most were just plain folk eking out a living. So his statement condemned every southern. He's wrong IMO.

rons on top of the world MA
07/25/15 9:10 am

Saying this. But I'll bet he has a lot more bias and venom in his veins.

gow488 Wisconsin
07/25/15 8:00 am

I have no respect for racist treasonous confederates either.

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MadCow former trumper
07/25/15 7:55 am

Not respecting seditious rebels works for me.

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Mattwall1
07/25/15 7:41 am

Note: the video is longer than just the conversation on NPR that had this quote in it, and goes into an interview on MSNBC. This was the shortest video with the quote in it that I could find.