Are humans inherently good (kind, generous, honest, etc.) or bad (mean, selfish, deceitful, etc.)?
We are born selfish and self centered. With time and nurture, we learn to care about, and want to help others.
You're inherently neither, everything you know about good and bad was taught to you.
I think inherently people are blank slates, what makes good or bad are the people you meet and how they influence you.
Heres my thoughts on this. What you have described is self-interest. We do need to look out for ourselves, but that doesn't preclude us from being compassionate to others. Selfishness is when you take self-interest too far.
"Man was born free, and everywhere he is in chains."
-John Rousseau, Social Contract
Man is born good, but society corrupts. We learn to live based on those who surround us.
We invented pizza, beer, taco tuesdays, and three weekends. That makes up for napoleon and the spanish inquisition... We invented the snuggy... crap... I lost my place...
You are who you are depending on genetics, surroundings, and how you're raised.
Wow are you people blind look around you at all the blood war and greed. This planet is overrun with these people while the good is punished killed and tortured in a world with hardly no kindness or pity
Chapter and verse, please.. And which edition. These days almost every brand of Christianity has its own bible, I suppose so they can word it in such a way that the most people can feel confident they are "saved" from an eternity on a cloud with only a harp for entertainment. :P
I guess modern society is doing more today to rectify the injustices of the past. When I was a youngster sanitation workers (which we called "garbage MEN" back in the day when people thought they needed fallout shelters in their backyards to survive thermonuclear war) worked with sh*t and for sh*t.
Let's agree to disagree. Okay? :) You will never convince me that mankind is inherently bad, and I will apparently never convince you that mankind is inherently good.
Sinning daily is FAR from perfect. It isn't good. Mankind is inherently bad. This is basic orthodoxy.
Humanity needs morality to be good.
Inherently good doesn't mean perfect. We were made inherently good, not forced to be good. In a perfect world, we wouldn't sin, but b/c of the devil, the world isn't perfect anymore. We are weak and fall into sin. We are inherently good just b/c God made us, and made us in his image.
If we were inherently good, we wouldn't sin daily.
Doopy-We need redemption and salvation b/c God created free will and we misuse it daily. If we didn't have free will, we would be forced to love God. It wouldn't be a perfect love that way so He created free will. The devil misused this and went against God, causing sin. We're inherently good.
ilovecats, if we were inherently good, we wouldn't need redemption or salvation. We are inherently bad.
TDaddy, no it didn't. Once again your view of Christianity and what it teaches is rooted in distortion. That is neither what they were taught, nor sound doctrine.
In some aspects we are good, others not. What we perceive as good or bad may not be that way for another person. It's not all black and white.
My bad. I incorrectly quoted the verse. "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." Genesis 6:4
Rousseau reporting in.
If humans are inherently good, then why must we have a social contract? Why would good, honest humans living in a state of nature need a social contract?
Toddlers are inherently selfish.
The majority use the word "mine" early and often.
I don't like breaking down personalities into good/bad. People are more complex than that.
Verity -- the Bible is quite clear that mankind was once good, but after the fall, Adam's sin was imputed to all generations. Thus the need for a messiah, the "second Adam" in scripture, to make atonement possible for those who believe (Romans 5:16, etc etc).
Really? We've ONLY done evil? Continually? I don't know about you but when I look back on my life to date that isn't what I see. Maybe it's true of yours and those around you but if so I truly pity you.
And then I go and double post. Could I have some ketchup to go with my foot?
Whoa, there, Tex, ease up on the trigger finger! A septuple post has got to be a new record.
Sandy Hook was one crazy and sick person. Horrible and tragic but it no more meant the world is bad than it meant nobody can be trusted with a semiautomatic rifle. (Protip for low information voters: that means it meant neither of those things)
Depends on the direction you view it from.
The Stanford prison experiment is hard to stomach.
Born in sin
@TDaddy I call bs. My cousin is a sanitation worker. Gets covered in feces alot. Gets paid $60/hr.
No, Doopy, they left high paying jobs because Christianity taught them that a worker who earns mega bucks for pushing paper all day is supposed to feel guilty for working so much harder than a sanitation worker who works 10x harder for 20x less.
Indeed, Jacques, you've got it!
They are only trying to pull the sheepskin over your eyes; inherently we are bad. (:
its hard to be in law enforcement and see the kinds of things people do to each other on a daily basis and think people are inherently good...
Doopy- but we are! We are inherently good b/c He created us. We were born into a sinful world, but that doesn't mean we aren't inherently good.
I agree, but fallen man is no longer inherently good.
Selfishness is a primal response to society that is inherent within all of us and yes, beneficial for survival. That doesn't mean it's a good thing. Selfishness is what causes us to hurt others, do immoral things, and generally act in ways other than out of humility.
Doopy- yes we did fall. However that wasn't God's fault. He gave us free will to do what we want, and he also gave the angels free will, which is how we got satan. He wanted to be more powerful, and God punished him, b/c he was bad, not good. Satan tempted Adam and Eve, and they gave in.
The large number of people I know who have left high-paying jobs to join the ministry as underpaid/unpaid missionaries plays merry havoc with your economic theory of the propagation of Christianity.
However, we can choose to abandon our sin and our selfish ways. Then we can be good.
Well, it's complicated. We were created in the image of God, that is good. But, we are a fallen people and are born with a sin nature, that is bad. Hence, left to our own devices and self centeredness we typically resort to evil deeds.
Never fear, you will be encouraged by the vast majority of those who think "in deities we trust" is a great national motto; so continuing to believe in your for "profit delusion" will very much be "in" for a very long time to come.
The clergy have to defend their position for approximately the same reason the judicial system needs bad guys -- by perpetuating the system, however archaic, it's the way they earn a living. Do you realize how many more people would be looking for work if these jobs were ever regarded as outdated?
Predominantly good, but only because in the majority of cases the civilizing process succeeds; so, usually, "bad" instincts are replaced by "good" socialization skills. Humans have to be taught to socialize to earn the label civilized. Those who try to do it their way are usually labeled "bad,"
So... If people are inherently good. Why do we need so many guns?
Why is selfish a prime example of a bad quality? Obviously too much is a bad thing (as with every other trait as well) but you need to be a little selfish to advance yourself in today's America.
You have a warped little view of Christianity, TDaddy.
You mean the guns come out... :)