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Show Of Hands January 22nd, 2013 12:00am

Are humans inherently good (kind, generous, honest, etc.) or bad (mean, selfish, deceitful, etc.)?

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EarlyBird Portland
01/29/13 3:05 pm

We are born selfish and self centered. With time and nurture, we learn to care about, and want to help others.


01/29/13 10:03 am

You're inherently neither, everything you know about good and bad was taught to you.

MonAmour Illinois
01/27/13 10:23 pm

I think inherently people are blank slates, what makes good or bad are the people you meet and how they influence you.

Theoden
01/27/13 5:09 pm

Heres my thoughts on this. What you have described is self-interest. We do need to look out for ourselves, but that doesn't preclude us from being compassionate to others. Selfishness is when you take self-interest too far.

Gwkarr Kansas
01/26/13 4:19 pm

"Man was born free, and everywhere he is in chains."
-John Rousseau, Social Contract

Man is born good, but society corrupts. We learn to live based on those who surround us.

getupbaby South City
01/25/13 1:46 pm

We invented pizza, beer, taco tuesdays, and three weekends. That makes up for napoleon and the spanish inquisition... We invented the snuggy... crap... I lost my place...

GrlNextDoor666
01/24/13 8:36 pm

Neither.
You are who you are depending on genetics, surroundings, and how you're raised.

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nightcrow44 the dark side
01/24/13 8:25 pm

Wow are you people blind look around you at all the blood war and greed. This planet is overrun with these people while the good is punished killed and tortured in a world with hardly no kindness or pity

tdaddy diversity
01/24/13 4:59 pm

Chapter and verse, please.. And which edition. These days almost every brand of Christianity has its own bible, I suppose so they can word it in such a way that the most people can feel confident they are "saved" from an eternity on a cloud with only a harp for entertainment. :P

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tdaddy diversity
01/24/13 4:52 pm

I guess modern society is doing more today to rectify the injustices of the past. When I was a youngster sanitation workers (which we called "garbage MEN" back in the day when people thought they needed fallout shelters in their backyards to survive thermonuclear war) worked with sh*t and for sh*t.

lovingana
01/24/13 4:37 pm

Let's agree to disagree. Okay? :) You will never convince me that mankind is inherently bad, and I will apparently never convince you that mankind is inherently good.

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
01/24/13 3:51 pm

Sinning daily is FAR from perfect. It isn't good. Mankind is inherently bad. This is basic orthodoxy.

human008
01/24/13 3:39 pm

Humanity needs morality to be good.

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lovingana
01/24/13 2:59 pm

Inherently good doesn't mean perfect. We were made inherently good, not forced to be good. In a perfect world, we wouldn't sin, but b/c of the devil, the world isn't perfect anymore. We are weak and fall into sin. We are inherently good just b/c God made us, and made us in his image.

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
01/24/13 2:47 pm

If we were inherently good, we wouldn't sin daily.

lovingana
01/24/13 2:39 pm

Doopy-We need redemption and salvation b/c God created free will and we misuse it daily. If we didn't have free will, we would be forced to love God. It wouldn't be a perfect love that way so He created free will. The devil misused this and went against God, causing sin. We're inherently good.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
01/24/13 2:25 pm

ilovecats, if we were inherently good, we wouldn't need redemption or salvation. We are inherently bad.

TDaddy, no it didn't. Once again your view of Christianity and what it teaches is rooted in distortion. That is neither what they were taught, nor sound doctrine.

juliaerapp
01/24/13 1:33 pm

In some aspects we are good, others not. What we perceive as good or bad may not be that way for another person. It's not all black and white.

lastjedi Florida, US
01/24/13 11:46 am

My bad. I incorrectly quoted the verse. "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." Genesis 6:4

satiricalnick meh
01/24/13 11:34 am

Rousseau reporting in.

If humans are inherently good, then why must we have a social contract? Why would good, honest humans living in a state of nature need a social contract?

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JustSaying
01/24/13 10:14 am

Toddlers are inherently selfish.
The majority use the word "mine" early and often.

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skeptisys
01/24/13 9:59 am

I don't like breaking down personalities into good/bad. People are more complex than that.

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Rio76 Wild West
01/24/13 8:55 am

Verity -- the Bible is quite clear that mankind was once good, but after the fall, Adam's sin was imputed to all generations. Thus the need for a messiah, the "second Adam" in scripture, to make atonement possible for those who believe (Romans 5:16, etc etc).

Sirithil Texas
01/24/13 8:30 am

Really? We've ONLY done evil? Continually? I don't know about you but when I look back on my life to date that isn't what I see. Maybe it's true of yours and those around you but if so I truly pity you.

Sirithil Texas
01/24/13 8:23 am

And then I go and double post. Could I have some ketchup to go with my foot?

Sirithil Texas
01/24/13 8:21 am

Whoa, there, Tex, ease up on the trigger finger! A septuple post has got to be a new record.

Sirithil Texas
01/24/13 8:21 am

Whoa, there, Tex, ease up on the trigger finger! A septuple post has got to be a new record.

Sirithil Texas
01/24/13 8:15 am

Sandy Hook was one crazy and sick person. Horrible and tragic but it no more meant the world is bad than it meant nobody can be trusted with a semiautomatic rifle. (Protip for low information voters: that means it meant neither of those things)

Sirithil Texas
01/24/13 8:03 am

Depends on the direction you view it from.

EarlyBird Portland
01/24/13 7:38 am

The Stanford prison experiment is hard to stomach.

Adric Elkmont
01/24/13 7:34 am

Born in sin

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tsk California
01/24/13 2:12 am

@TDaddy I call bs. My cousin is a sanitation worker. Gets covered in feces alot. Gets paid $60/hr.

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tdaddy diversity
01/24/13 12:06 am

No, Doopy, they left high paying jobs because Christianity taught them that a worker who earns mega bucks for pushing paper all day is supposed to feel guilty for working so much harder than a sanitation worker who works 10x harder for 20x less.

tdaddy diversity
01/23/13 11:57 pm

Indeed, Jacques, you've got it!

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tdaddy diversity
01/23/13 11:54 pm

They are only trying to pull the sheepskin over your eyes; inherently we are bad. (:

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fsu13 Grosse Pointe Park
01/23/13 9:17 pm

its hard to be in law enforcement and see the kinds of things people do to each other on a daily basis and think people are inherently good...

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lovingana
01/23/13 7:28 pm

Doopy- but we are! We are inherently good b/c He created us. We were born into a sinful world, but that doesn't mean we aren't inherently good.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
01/23/13 7:19 pm

I agree, but fallen man is no longer inherently good.

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sneuby Philadelphia
01/23/13 7:09 pm

Selfishness is a primal response to society that is inherent within all of us and yes, beneficial for survival. That doesn't mean it's a good thing. Selfishness is what causes us to hurt others, do immoral things, and generally act in ways other than out of humility.

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lovingana
01/23/13 7:09 pm

Doopy- yes we did fall. However that wasn't God's fault. He gave us free will to do what we want, and he also gave the angels free will, which is how we got satan. He wanted to be more powerful, and God punished him, b/c he was bad, not good. Satan tempted Adam and Eve, and they gave in.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
01/23/13 6:46 pm

The large number of people I know who have left high-paying jobs to join the ministry as underpaid/unpaid missionaries plays merry havoc with your economic theory of the propagation of Christianity.

2ndafe Flat lands of Ohio
01/23/13 6:44 pm

However, we can choose to abandon our sin and our selfish ways. Then we can be good.

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2ndafe Flat lands of Ohio
01/23/13 6:43 pm

Well, it's complicated. We were created in the image of God, that is good. But, we are a fallen people and are born with a sin nature, that is bad. Hence, left to our own devices and self centeredness we typically resort to evil deeds.

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tdaddy diversity
01/23/13 6:28 pm

Never fear, you will be encouraged by the vast majority of those who think "in deities we trust" is a great national motto; so continuing to believe in your for "profit delusion" will very much be "in" for a very long time to come.

tdaddy diversity
01/23/13 6:18 pm

The clergy have to defend their position for approximately the same reason the judicial system needs bad guys -- by perpetuating the system, however archaic, it's the way they earn a living. Do you realize how many more people would be looking for work if these jobs were ever regarded as outdated?

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tdaddy diversity
01/23/13 6:13 pm

Predominantly good, but only because in the majority of cases the civilizing process succeeds; so, usually, "bad" instincts are replaced by "good" socialization skills. Humans have to be taught to socialize to earn the label civilized. Those who try to do it their way are usually labeled "bad,"

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RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
01/23/13 6:01 pm

So... If people are inherently good. Why do we need so many guns?

yankeesfan
01/23/13 5:53 pm

Why is selfish a prime example of a bad quality? Obviously too much is a bad thing (as with every other trait as well) but you need to be a little selfish to advance yourself in today's America.

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
01/23/13 5:44 pm

You have a warped little view of Christianity, TDaddy.

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EarlyBird Portland
01/23/13 5:34 pm

You mean the guns come out... :)