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Maelthus March 21st, 2015 8:34pm

Do you believe time existed "before" the Big Bang expansion? (Please explain your reasons in the comments)

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firefly5 the verse
03/21/15 1:48 pm

I have to think about this one more.

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allswel Minnesota
03/21/15 1:41 pm

My presumption would be that in order for the "bang" to occur, something inside the big mass had to be changing or nothing would happen. I order for something to change it must be different now than it was then, that is time.

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Maelthus
03/21/15 2:16 pm

Is it possible that nothing was changing, until it began to expand?

allswel Minnesota
03/21/15 2:36 pm

And so began time? Then is it time that caused the Big Bang?

Maelthus
03/21/15 2:37 pm

I would guess not, because time is a measure of change, it would have been the change that caused time.

allswel Minnesota
03/21/15 2:46 pm

Then you are arguing one of the proofs of a Supreme Being. If everything was static, no change, then something must have decided to zap that big mass of everything to put it all in motion.

Maelthus
03/21/15 2:50 pm

No, because time wasn't passing with the singularity, so it wasn't like it was just waiting around for something to change it, it just changed.

Maelthus
03/21/15 2:50 pm

Why did it change 13.8billion years ago? Because it did.

allswel Minnesota
03/21/15 3:15 pm

I am not saying I accept that as a proof of a Supreme Being, although I do believe in the existence of God. But you asked the question, and your response means you also have to rewrite the coo only accepted rules of physics. "Because it did" is not.

Maelthus
03/21/15 3:19 pm

Not necessarily, our laws of physics are completely dependent on the existence of change, and time, perhaps at the instance of the singularity, when the expansion started, change, and the laws of physics were birthed.

Maelthus
03/21/15 3:20 pm

All it requires is a suspension of the laws as we currently perceive them, because without change none of the laws of physics could exist. Perhaps there are other laws, quantum laws that don't require change to function.

Maelthus
03/21/15 3:22 pm

I am not a physicist and don't even remotely grasp the complexity of quantum physics, but many theoretical physicists have demonstrated, that the universe, could have arose, without time, energy, matter, space, or the laws of physics, through

Maelthus
03/21/15 3:22 pm

Quantum fluctuations and other laws of the like.

allswel Minnesota
03/21/15 4:22 pm

OK, I can believe that it is beyond my understanding.

Maelthus
03/21/15 4:24 pm

That's all I'm saying. That at this moment we cannot understand.