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Rotavele March 20th, 2015 3:23am

The FBI is now investigating the case of a Mississippi African-American man who was just found hanging from a tree. He's been missing for a week. He was convicted of murdering an older white woman 9 years ago. Do you think he committed suicide?

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Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 5:36 pm

Even if it was murder, do black people murder black people?

HappyLez No Worries... Be Happy
03/21/15 12:23 am

KKK is on the rise again
And I'm not even sure they ever left Mississippi

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Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 5:29 pm

Did you see where I posted a comment to you on my poll about the KKK organization in NJ?

HappyLez No Worries... Be Happy
03/22/15 5:31 pm

No
Wasn't on SOH much for 2 days and it's hard catching up

Tariq88 Utah
03/20/15 11:07 am

It's sad to see that something's haven't changed in America, well at least as much as we think.

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Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 6:19 pm

Hasn't changed? You really need to study civil rights. If you think things today are the same as they were, say in the 1920's for black people, something is seriously wrong with your education.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
03/20/15 10:53 am

Well technically... In Mississippi, you could probably say a black man is committing suicide when he murders a white woman. Or anyone white, for that matter. Just looking at a white woman wrong used to be enough to do it. Might still be.

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Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 5:30 pm

Might be in one state or any state?

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 5:32 pm

Are you referring to the present or past?

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 5:38 pm

I've seen you post comments about MS before. I think there may be some underlying issues...??

Zod Above Pugetropolis
03/22/15 6:02 pm

I lived in Mississippi two different times, about nine years apart. Except for the weather, I liked it. But I'm not black, and I was glad of that. It owns the top spot historically:
www.chesnuttarchive.org/classroom/lynchings_table_state.html

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 6:04 pm

Since 1882? Till 1968? Uh, It's 2015.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 6:13 pm

I'll always defend modern MS and the many many people here that have worked so hard to rid the bad. To still judge us today is like a slap in the face to progress. Has all our progress been for nothing?

Zod Above Pugetropolis
03/22/15 6:21 pm

No, I know there has been progress, but I'm betting there is still a ways to go. It was really bad in 1974, and it wasn't all that much better when I moved back in 1983. Everyone should keep the pressure on not to slide backwards even an inch.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 6:25 pm

Saving face is necessary sometimes.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
03/22/15 6:26 pm

That anyone living there (not me) of any race brought up the past because of the recent hanging, which may well be a suicide and have nothing to do with it, says at least some aren't all the way past it yet.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 6:29 pm

There are no facts even released yet. I'm all over it. He was a murderer himself. Should I point other things? Black people murder black people? It may not be murder? It may be suicide? People are saying noose? It was bedsheets.Tv hype. It's very sad

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 6:31 pm

Would you like me to search archives for racial issues in Washington? Is their no racial murder. I should begin searching.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 6:33 pm

When the results of the investigation are in (from the National FBI) you'll be the first one I'll inform.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/30/15 8:05 am

I do believe the complete history of evil from all states should not be forgotten. Concentrating on one state is not fair.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
03/30/15 10:33 am

It wasn't an out of the blue comment - Otis Byrd was found hanging there, still under investigation. History is why Mississippi is associated with lynching, totals and per capita:
www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_lyn_bla-crime-lynchings-black

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/30/15 11:34 am

That is the same years as you posted before. It goes up to 1968. 1968 was 47 years ago you do realize. Almost half a century. If you'd like to show me stats of the last 47 years then we can discuss the lynchings and hangings of modern times.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/30/15 11:37 am

Yep, we are waiting on the results of the FBI investigation. Murder does not mean a racial murder until proven at any rate. I still say why judge 3,000,000 people for the act of one. Why judge an entire state? If it is even racial.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/30/15 11:41 am

Can it happen here, of course. Can it happen in any state, you tell me. I would not defend it or would ever defend a racial murder anywhere. I will condemn it as I would if it were anywhere. To blame a state is ludicrous.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/30/15 11:44 am

Another question. If this were a racial murder, how would this method of murder be any different than murder by gunshot or stabbing? Do you believe the only racial murders in America happen in MS?

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/30/15 11:50 am

I also know you are smart enough to be aware of the % of the population here that is black vs WA. Do you not think a place where a higher % of the population is black will have a higher rate of racial incidents?

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/30/15 12:01 pm

I also don't deny the past. But it's only proper to put it all in perspective. The media will play it for every penny they can. Look what the white man did to the American Indians. Where is that discussed at every murder of a Native American. LOGIC.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
03/30/15 12:07 pm

Apparently it isn't ancient history to everyone there - the nonsense with the noose on the statue of James Meredith at Ole Miss was only about a year ago. I'm not picking on anywhere, but really bad history doesn't just go away after a few decades.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/30/15 2:25 pm

That in in ident at Ole Miss...A guy from Georgia did it and was found guilty.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/30/15 2:36 pm

And what about the stats of the last 47 years? How many and where.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
03/30/15 2:44 pm

I think you are missing the point of association. It doesn't matter that it stopped being common in the first third of my lifetime, it only matters that it happened so often and for so long that when you say "lynching"' I'll think "Mississippi".

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/30/15 2:49 pm

I knew it. It's just your mindset. You can't accept the fact that we have moved on. We have, you haven't. It's called prejudice.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
03/30/15 3:53 pm

Nobody said you haven't moved on, assuming Byrd's death wasn't a murder. It isn't a mindset or prejudice to be aware of history, or to associate the place where a thing has occurred more often than it has anywhere else with that thing.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
03/30/15 3:58 pm

And when I said nobody said you haven't moved on, I meant I didn't say that. Plenty of people wearing sheets have though:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224004/Shocking-documentary-lifts-lid-Ku-Klux-Klan-strong-Mississippi.html

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/30/15 5:25 pm

Where do you live and where do I live. You can't admit to be wrong.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
03/30/15 5:42 pm

You seem want to make this into something it just isn't. You can't fix what clearly and unquestionably was, you can only fix what is. If there is even the hint of the old south left there, speak out against it when you see it, and we'll all be fine.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
03/30/15 5:43 pm

If there isn't, be happy that you live in a nearly perfect part of the country, where racism has been stamped out to the degree that even those of us who saw it first hand there know it couldn't possibly still exist even in small pockets.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/30/15 5:44 pm

I used to think at one point you were intelligent. I know now you are very small minded. I see it clearly. The worst kind!

Zod Above Pugetropolis
03/30/15 5:48 pm

And if you think you can find anything arrogant or pompous in MY comments in this exchange until now, perhaps you should look up the definition of those words. I don't know what your problem is, but we are obviously wasting time here.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/31/15 5:36 am

I'm sorry I called you a bad name.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/31/15 5:49 am

I, SOH user Pirate do officially recognize this as my new image of Washington. Washington State is: koin.com/2014/07/18/exposed-the-northwests-white-supremacy-problem/

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/31/15 5:58 am

I never denied MS history...but the more look at Washington the more I realize what Washington is like. Racial hate comes by many names. Washington people use "white supremacy". I see a lot more. I've favorited The Seattle Times and The Skanner.

NOTColonelWest
03/20/15 9:35 am

People don't hang themselves from trees. They hang themselves from closet shelves and exposed beams, not trees

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
03/20/15 10:45 am

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NOTColonelWest
03/20/15 10:46 am

Do you know how hard it is to hang yourself in public like that? There's a chance this was a suicide, but there's also a chance they'll find out that he drowned to death first. This may not be racial, though, just a murder misdirect

ronderman North Carolina
03/20/15 10:47 am

Well, if I'm committing suicide, I'm doing it privately. Likely in my house. Then again, I'm not suicidal, a black man, or in Miss.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
03/20/15 10:47 am

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ronderman North Carolina
03/20/15 10:48 am

On the other hand, if I were a black man wanting to kill not her black man in the Deep South, hanging him from a tree would misdirect the police quite nicely. Sounds like a great csi case.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 5:28 pm

Of course people hang themselves from trees.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 6:41 pm

It makes for tv excitement. TV news is just entertainment and not very trustworthy. I feel sorry for people who believe everything they see on tv.

SFLiberal
03/20/15 9:28 am

Black man, noose, Mississippi...oh shit.

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Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 5:31 pm

Noose? Or rope? Does anyone in California hang themselves by rope?

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 5:33 pm

You do know it was bedsheets right?

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 6:22 pm

Was that a tv news show you saw about a noose? Whichever tv show it was on is a good wake up call for you about their journalism.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 6:42 pm

SF, I thought you were more educated than that.

CudOfCow Oregon
03/20/15 8:34 am

If he was hanging from a string of xmas lights in a closet of his home...id say suicide..but the mental visual of a black man hanging from a noose in a tree... Doesn't really sound like suicide.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 5:51 pm

Please post me that article about a noose.

rons WOKE is sick
03/20/15 4:47 am

Looks like he couldn't live with his dastardly crime and off himself.

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Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 6:23 pm

Yep, he was a murderer himself. Funny how people ignore that reality.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
03/20/15 3:10 am

The anchor said they haven't ruled out suicide yet. I'm thinking a black man hanging from a tree in Mississippi? That makes me rule out suicide immediately.

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kscott516 Masks fail
03/20/15 3:46 am

Good work allowing your bias to get in the way of any facts.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
03/20/15 3:52 am

I can say the same for you, not too mention your total disregard for Mississippi history.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
03/20/15 3:54 am

You have to live a sheltered life to say, "a black man having from a tree in Mississippi has to be a suicide."

kscott516 Masks fail
03/20/15 3:58 am

Nope, don't lump me in with you. I didn't jump to conclusions. Thank God you're not an investigator or judge!

Abolitionist Voice of the people
03/20/15 4:02 am

Well, as investigator or a judge, I would have to review all the evidence but as a citizen, my first thought of a black man hanging from a tree in the confederate south isn't a fucking suicide.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
03/20/15 4:25 am

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Abolitionist Voice of the people
03/20/15 4:33 am

If a black was found with bullet holes in him in louisville a west side of town, I would assume he was killed by another black man. Black man hanging from a tree in Mississippi, I'm going to assume he was lynched by whites.

Sue me

kscott516 Masks fail
03/20/15 4:34 am

So only as an official judge would you review all the evidence before making a conclusion? Can't imagine why they say racism isn't dead. You're doing a wonderful job of perpetuating it. Keep up the good work!

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
03/20/15 4:35 am

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Abolitionist Voice of the people
03/20/15 4:35 am

LOL. Right Kscott, because any talk of racism, bias, color and America in a historically racist context means you're perpetrating racism. You're a genius.

kscott516 Masks fail
03/20/15 4:37 am

Because another black man could never be the assailant in this case, right? They're not smart enough to perpetrate the crime in a manner that would allow tunnel visioned police to search only for a white murderer.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
03/20/15 4:38 am

Hey Nema, I'm just a regular citizen with an opinion so I ain't like I'll have any influence with any investigation or trials and I'm wrong then I'll apologize for jumping to conclusion.

kscott516 Masks fail
03/20/15 4:39 am

It's not just talk of racism. You're convicting some unknown white individual of murder because a black man is hanging from a tree. It's a racist conclusion.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
03/20/15 5:14 am

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
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GarrettByford Republic of Texas
03/20/15 6:26 am

^^^^ when you think it's still the 1960's

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
03/20/15 7:19 am

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kscott516 Masks fail
03/20/15 7:32 am

You are referring to something I said?

Rotavele Alabama
03/20/15 10:18 am

" "Black man died, MUST BE MURDER." Seems like it from the facts being presented, "

What would republicans say if they found a dead Christian or American in Iraq?

kscott516 Masks fail
03/20/15 10:43 am

You missed the part where no one is claiming it's not murder apparently.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
03/20/15 10:47 am

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Rotavele Alabama
03/20/15 12:57 pm

My attention span isn't bad.

Actually nvm it probably is bad.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 5:51 pm

Who said a white person murdered him? It's not even been confirmed any which way. The investigation is not even complete. Wow, people can be so ignorant. Should I say it's always the northern people that are the most stupid & ignorant.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/22/15 5:52 pm

The anchor? Seriously? The tv man? Hahaha

deist
03/19/15 10:43 pm

unless your actually in jail why would you use a bed sheet to hang yourself from a tree. I guess it's possible but it seems odd.

Brandon1995 San Francisco
03/19/15 9:19 pm

Mississippi, nuff said.

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tdaddy Kentucky
03/19/15 9:12 pm

Probably not, but my first thought is what was he doing out of prison so soon? 'Sounds like justice was served, unless, per chance, he wasn't the murderer, and once freed he was working to expunge his record. Maybe this needs to be investigated.

Rotavele Alabama
03/19/15 9:25 pm

That was a typing mistake. It said "and released 9 years ago" but when trying to cut words I accidentally only cut out part of it. He served 25 years.

tdaddy Kentucky
03/19/15 9:53 pm

Ahhh.. Big difference, but regardless I didn't see anything that suggested it was a suicide.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
03/19/15 8:52 pm

I think it should not be all that hard to find out. If it was homicide, he'll have either defensive injuries or bruises from being manhandled, he wouldn't go without a fight.

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jdug
03/19/15 9:14 pm

If there were bruises, etc people would claim he had been in a bar fight, etc - not that the bruises indicated he struggled with his killers.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
03/19/15 9:53 pm

We need a thorough investigation that shouldn't be biased either in favor of homicide/lynching or suicide. Could he have done it alone, like climb the tree and drop from a branch? Do a tox screen, too. Could he have been slipped a knockout drug?

Diogenes FreeMeBe
03/19/15 8:44 pm

Can't get the link to work. Please repost or the man commits suicide.

Rotavele Alabama
03/19/15 8:49 pm

Here's a more informative post.

www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/03/19/suspicious-hanging-in-claiborne-county/25031257/

The woman he was convicted of killing's daughter was a former Vermont congressional candidate.

GubraLagima Tramp 2016
03/19/15 8:49 pm

There was a space between the http:// and the www.

Diogenes FreeMeBe
03/19/15 9:33 pm

Thank you for re-citingthesource. :)

It's too early to tell based on the available information and a perfect example of sensationalistic, irresponsible journalism.

Rotavele Alabama
03/19/15 9:48 pm

I outlined cases below in where the FBI didn't get called in for these "suicides" I think the media reacting this way gets attention on them and will have the FBI investigate it.

He was taken or walked a bit of a distance into the woods.

Diogenes FreeMeBe
03/19/15 9:52 pm

Otis' middle name, James, is intriguing when you recall the James Byrd dragging death by skinheads in Jasper, TX.

GubraLagima Tramp 2016
03/19/15 8:42 pm

Hanging yourself from a tree sounds like a shitload of work. I can't imagine that would be anyone's go-to suicide mehod

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
03/19/15 8:46 pm

When my Mom was a child, she found a man hanging from a tree in the city park. Later, the newspaper said it clearly was suicide.

GubraLagima Tramp 2016
03/19/15 8:46 pm

That's what you call an attention whore. If you're going to kill yourself, do it in your own home ffs

Rotavele Alabama
03/19/15 8:50 pm

Less than a year ago, a African American man in Carolina was found hanging from a swing set in a trailer park. Their police called it a suicide and it was going to be investigated.

As of today it's still being investigated. His names Lennon lacy.

Rotavele Alabama
03/19/15 8:51 pm

Glad to see the FBI is involved in this one.

Rotavele Alabama
03/19/15 8:58 pm

And Fredrick Jermaine: eotm.wordpress.com/2010/12/15/frederick-jermaine-carter-hanging-in-mississippi-no-suicide-according-to-the-naacp/

(Warning it has a photo of him)
The MS police ruled it a suicide and won't investigate it... Go figure.

Rotavele Alabama
03/19/15 9:03 pm

That photo alone proves it wasn't a suicide either, and they won't reopen it. There's no way he could levitate and he couldn't raise himself.

He disappeared helping his dad paint a house. Gee, I wonder why African Americans don't trust police.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
03/20/15 5:43 am

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GubraLagima Tramp 2016
03/20/15 12:35 pm

There's no verb in your first sentence, which makes it not a sentence. Just saying.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
03/20/15 2:08 pm

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badattitude no place like home
03/19/15 8:39 pm

Wow, that's crazy. My family caught a (white) man that raped and killed a child in our family. They hung him from a tree in Nebraska. The sheriff never checked out who did it. But that was in the 1800's.