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smarttexan March 19th, 2015 1:41am

A church puts sprinklers that spray water periodically in its entry way to encourage homeless people seeking a safe place to sleep at night to relocate. Is this showing the love / charity spoken of in the bible?

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tdyakker lost
03/21/15 12:22 pm

I think they were trying to protect their parishioners from many of the problems that tend to come along with a lot of the homeless. Why not open your house to the homeless. It would be a great gesture not only to the homeless,but the church as well.

rons WOKE is sick
03/21/15 9:53 am

Ever notice who runs most soup kitchens.

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
03/21/15 8:18 am

Letting people endanger your parishioners and defecate on the property isn't what Christ had in mind when he said to care for the poor. Whether the church is doing that or not can't be judged from the info you've given.

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HappyLez No Worries... Be Happy
03/19/15 3:40 pm

Horrible...heartless decision

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Maj Worth Economist
03/18/15 10:34 pm

I don't know what to think. I don't the the church was being horrible, though. They offer help, they just don't want drugs and neglect in the doorway. Beds aren't in the chapel. They'd be in an adjunct building.

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GrandmaALiCE Rocky Mtns aerial view
03/18/15 7:11 pm

"... the homeless were leaving trash, needles, and other nasty items in places where churchgoers walked ... The idea was not to remove those persons, but to encourage them to relocate to other areas of the cathedral."

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GrandmaALiCE Rocky Mtns aerial view
03/18/15 7:13 pm

Your question is misleading. Relocating to other areas *of the cathedral*, from your own link.

GrandmaALiCE Rocky Mtns aerial view
03/18/15 7:15 pm

I'm surprised at you. I'm also surprised that no other commenter has picked up on that.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
03/18/15 7:31 pm

3. Could they relocate people in a manner more consistent with their beliefs and the bible. That helped craft my question.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
03/18/15 7:32 pm

I appreciate the feedback. I wasn't trying to mislead. I thought about it and wondered 3 things: why do people want to be in that doorway vs other spots. 2. If I sprayed people with water it would me misdemeanor assault.

GrandmaALiCE Rocky Mtns aerial view
03/18/15 7:42 pm

1. I'm guessing it's the first place they come to and convenient. There might be a different reason, though. 2. It all depends on the circumstances. Maybe. 3. Here, you make a point. We really don't know what else they tried, but if that's the ...

GrandmaALiCE Rocky Mtns aerial view
03/18/15 7:45 pm

... first attempt to move people, it's not very nice.

I believe you weren't trying to mislead people, but the verb 'relocate' is usually taken in a more general meaning. IMO, you should have said "move to a different part of the building."

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
03/18/15 7:55 pm

That's why I use this app. Opinions... I like hearing them. Plus you didn't tell me to shut up or call me names. That in itself is very positive.😃

GrandmaALiCE Rocky Mtns aerial view
03/18/15 8:51 pm

Of course not! That's not a very constructive or useful way to use the app.

Pirate Uses the Tap
03/18/15 7:02 pm

It shows how so many churches are way off the mark.

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TierasPet
03/18/15 6:58 pm

No, I would say not.

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susanr Colorado
03/18/15 6:51 pm

No. But it's better than those godawful spikes.

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smarttexan More Moderate Than U
03/18/15 6:54 pm

That is a good point. Thanks for the perspective.

MachoMatt84 Privileged to serve.
03/18/15 6:49 pm

No, but I also don't think it's wrong or hypocritical for them to do so.

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typetype level 2 pretty
03/18/15 7:03 pm

I do. They have the money for automatic sprinklers, then they have the money to spring for nightly security.

MachoMatt84 Privileged to serve.
03/18/15 7:08 pm

For the time the church is unoccupied, keeping homeless away helps keep litter and feces under control. Also, it doesn't make sense to allow anyone to freely use the building spaces without a representative of the building there to supervise.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
03/18/15 7:09 pm

Shouldn't they put that money into funding a shelter?

MachoMatt84 Privileged to serve.
03/18/15 7:09 pm

Automatic sprinklers are a lot cheaper than nightly security.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
03/18/15 7:11 pm

Matt - I see that for a business, but a church seems like it should operate differently than other businesses.

MachoMatt84 Privileged to serve.
03/19/15 3:47 am

Churches already do operate differently than businesses. However, they have no obligation to allow the homeless to walk all over the building grounds when no one is at the church. It's a balance. Setting up a shelter would be a good option, but it...

MachoMatt84 Privileged to serve.
03/19/15 3:48 am

... doesn't mean the church is being hypocritical or wrong.