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Show Of Hands March 17th, 2015 2:15pm

Should the White House be exempt from the Freedom of Information Act?

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Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
03/17/15 10:27 pm

What happened to a more transparent presidency??

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madeit Houston Area
03/17/15 8:40 pm

The White House should not be exempt from a damn thing.

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inthehole
03/17/15 8:06 pm

I don't want to know more than I don't want everyone to know.

maddog769
03/17/15 7:52 pm

As of this post, nearly 1/5th of democrats say yes. How would they have voted if George W. Bush was in office?

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getupbaby South City
03/18/15 1:19 pm

That's really not that many. Only 40 more votes than (R)s.

AidenFlux Purgatory
03/17/15 6:38 pm

Do what you tell your followers to do.

shygal47 Florida east coast
03/17/15 4:38 pm

I'm certain that there are lots of things that the general populace should not be aware of - things that would scare us to death if we were privy to them. OTOH, when Bush was in office I was scared to death every day.

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MrWalrus Undergrid
03/17/15 4:37 pm

Rules for them and rules for us.

Rotavele Alabama
03/17/15 3:31 pm

On military information, yes.

On anything else, hell no.

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rebelfury76 No Justice, No Peace
03/17/15 2:56 pm

Seems contrary to the point of the legislation.

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CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
03/17/15 2:00 pm

"This administration will run on a platform of transparency!*" - Obama


* - terms and conditions do not apply to obama or his office. Or anyone else that obama deems it shouldn't apply to

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Rotavele Alabama
03/17/15 3:33 pm

Third paragraph, first sentence: "The ruling stems from a lawsuit that began before the obama administration took office..."

Now logicman81 you have 2 options: (1) Claim a conspiracy by evil muslim commie Obama, or (2) Claim satan wrote that part.

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
03/17/15 4:53 pm

I'm aware. The problem with that is obama said he was going to make his administration transparent. Instead, he fell back on what bush started and decided to be a hypocrite.

Surely you understand this as a neocon troll, no?

16jcassidy VC Vice Speaker
03/17/15 7:13 pm

"This administration will run on a platform of transparency!" Every other president to ever hold office

16jcassidy VC Vice Speaker
03/17/15 7:16 pm

We can't just keep blaming Obama for everything it's the party system that makes us hate the president Obama has come up short of some promises, every president in history has come up short in promises because winning is impossible without lying

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
03/17/15 8:21 pm

""This administration will run on a platform of transparency!" Every other president to ever hold office"

Yeah, that's not true.

"Winning is impossible without lying

Please don't vote

getupbaby South City
03/18/15 1:22 pm

Lol! Who have you ever voted for that didn't get caught in a lie?? (Unless you're like me and vote third party and independent)

CoffeeNow Powderpuff Leftist
03/18/15 2:01 pm

I do. They aren't perfect either but certainly better than the dem/repub disasters

getupbaby South City
03/18/15 2:32 pm

I vote third party because of all the bullshit, but I also rather enjoy having the high ground of never having voted for the guy everyone is complaining about!

Doopy Remedial Americanism
03/17/15 1:41 pm

Remember when Obama promised the most open and transparent administration in history, and then proceeded immediately to actually enact the least open and transparent administration in history?

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Rotavele Alabama
03/17/15 3:34 pm

Third paragraph, first sentence: "The ruling stems from a lawsuit that began before the obama administration took office..."

Remember when republicans followed orders from judges and didn't claim states rights? I didn't think so.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
03/17/15 5:08 pm

Rotavele, proving every day that hindsight is not always 20/20.

I can remember those times. I can also remember criticizing Bush for being a supporter of big government.

The fact remains that Obama has kept the opposite of his promise.

roybiker12
03/17/15 1:38 pm

This arrogant, naive, ideological administration needs to do things in secret "for our own good" even though they couldn't successfully run a lemonade stand at the equator.

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elcondor Rural Southern Indiana
03/17/15 1:26 pm

Democrats, really? Imagine president George W. Bush and vote again!

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Rotavele Alabama
03/17/15 3:38 pm

18% of democrats...

You know 23% of republicans think Obama was a 9/11 hijacker right?

getupbaby South City
03/18/15 1:24 pm

About 40 more vote than (R)s, but those guys don't bother you, just the liberal yes votes...

LordAF
03/17/15 1:01 pm

Statement: "USA is a democracy."
Corrected: "USA is an oligarchy."

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TXNationalist
03/17/15 3:04 pm

Founded to be a republic, until liberals took power.

LordAF
03/17/15 3:08 pm

It isn't just liberals, m8. Bush brought us the Patriot Act and NSA spying, after all. It is simple government corruption, and... well, oligarchialism (is that a word?). A matter of authoritarian policy as opposed to left vs right.

LordAF
03/17/15 3:11 pm

Though I do not disagree with your statement, a great deal of moder-day liberal politicians are idiots. (But then again, a vast majority of american politicians are spineless mouthpieces for banks and corporations, sadly.)

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
03/18/15 11:56 am

^^^ and we have a winner

huntflor Minnesota
03/17/15 12:53 pm

Depends on what it is.

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leader77 California
03/17/15 11:57 am

It's not like they represent the people or anything...

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
03/17/15 11:47 am

Yes but only for certain classified information, like Bill and Monica's "meetings," BO's Allah prayer sessions, or GW's etch-a-sketch drawings.

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gatsbyxxv
03/17/15 11:07 am

Transparency has it limits but strongly believe in a need to know basis. We don't need to know when it comes to National Security. Tell us and you tell the world, that's not smart diplomacy.

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GOODLOOKING 37174
03/17/15 10:57 am

...Can we restart our government yet?

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
03/17/15 1:36 pm

It'll take 6 years or tremendous amounts of bloodshed, but yes.

Nos4at2 demented weirdo
03/17/15 10:30 am

what's the point of even having it then ?

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
03/17/15 10:07 am

No, no part of the government should be. Any and all activities involving the people's business, from back room conversations to publications should be recorded and made available to the public, with a very few exceptions based on national security.

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Spiritof76 USA 1776
03/17/15 10:01 am

1% of "Libertarians" on this app read it as "Librarian".

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bradbp Washington
03/17/15 2:28 pm

On every issue here weeds out the people who don't know what it means to be libertarian

corino Utah
03/17/15 10:00 am

So long as the presidency is an elected office the people who vote have a right to information to oversee their delegate.

corino Utah
03/17/15 10:02 am

Freedom of information act requests are reviewed and classified information is not released because it can harm National Security, but you can still submit the request and the Whitehouse still has to review and respond to the request.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
03/17/15 10:00 am

Absolutely, positively, NOT... unless it is unmitigated National Security, not *everything* "classied" like this Admin has done. Sneaky 12-yr-old style.

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gonzoboy Arizona
03/17/15 8:45 am

I'm reminded of one o' the great irony's of my life: President Obama awarded the Transparency Award at the Freedom of Information Day Conference, while all media was locked out. This was never placed on Obama's calendar, there are no pictures, video,

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gonzoboy Arizona
03/17/15 8:46 am

...or even a transcript of this event. This award is not even mentioned on the White House website dedicated to its own transparency! My answer here is "No", but IMHO, the White House exempted itself from the Freedom of Information Act long ago...

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
03/17/15 9:10 am

Someone's been jacking with your photo. I see my dad in it.

mc88 Cleveland OSU
03/17/15 9:14 am

I always knew you were a princess!

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
03/17/15 9:38 am

I didn't expect him in that suit. Now I wanna watch Ghostbusters.

jvc1133 61535
03/17/15 8:44 am

House should get what it needs and Hilly Should wear prison stripes. 😇

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slickspin Heart of Texas
03/17/15 8:44 am

Information is Classified for a reason. It's called National Security.

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kscott516 Masks fail
03/17/15 9:51 am

It's not all national security.

Spiritof76 USA 1776
03/17/15 9:58 am

Slick, and you believe that justification? Keep the blinders on, my friend, your government has your best interest in mind, don't worry, keep moving on, nothing to question...

corino Utah
03/17/15 9:59 am

Freedom of Information requests for classified data are reviewed and returned "denied, reason:material is classified".

jlheathfam
03/17/15 9:59 am

Woah woah woah. Classified information that remains classified after a FOIA request is ALWAYS exempt from release. Not talking about classified.

DuckAndCower
03/17/15 11:02 am

You should review the FOIA. What you said has nothing to do with the issue.

mc88 Cleveland OSU
03/17/15 8:39 am

Why 18% of democrats?

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jlheathfam
03/17/15 10:00 am

That's a misunderstanding. See the various replies to above.

Rotavele Alabama
03/17/15 3:38 pm

24% of republicans thought Obama flew a plane into the twin towers. (I guess God revived him? Idk)

Don't confuse the majority for the Minorities ideas.

jlheathfam
03/17/15 8:14 pm

Rota, if you're going to make up stats, the trick is to make them remotely believable.

windshield Where I am
03/17/15 8:26 am

No one is above the law. Not even the White House.

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Congressman Louisiana
03/17/15 8:20 am

Absolutely not. With the exception of documents and info that are vital to national security against imminent and great threats to the country, everything done in public office as a public official should be available for public information and view.

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elbrutus23 Chicago, IL
03/17/15 8:13 am

Given the Administration's vociferous war on whistleblowers and investigative journalism, this is totally unsurprising. GWB was terrible when it came to transparency, but Obama is even worse. Don't expect the next administration to be any better.

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Brrrrrrrrr
03/17/15 7:54 am

Black = white
Up = down
0bama = smart
Transparent = opaque

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rons WOKE is sick
03/17/15 7:51 am

They're transparent alright! You see nothing except smoke and mirrors.

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Spiritof76 USA 1776
03/17/15 7:50 am

OK, 21% of Democrats, please defend your position that the white house should be exempt (remembering a Democrat may not be occupying said house in the future).

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think4yourself Not a safe space
03/17/15 2:52 pm

There is a democrat in the White House is their reasoning or lack there of.

Gunfighter06 Iowa, since 1846
03/17/15 7:48 am

No exemptions should exist, except for national security of course. We have a right to know what our government is up to.

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Liberty 4,032,064
03/17/15 7:41 am

What? Of course not. That's exactly the sort of thing for which the FOI act exists.

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Alex619 California
03/17/15 7:41 am

"Most transparent admin. in history"

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political Georgia
03/17/15 7:43 am

One more lie.

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
03/17/15 7:35 am

There needs to be a balance between transparency and executive privilege. FOIA seems to strike that balance quite well by giving the public a right to know subject to some government redaction of important information related to defense or privacy.

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SonofMetal Heavy Metal
03/17/15 7:30 am

Presidents, not kings

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political Georgia
03/17/15 7:30 am

"Most transparent administration."


Hahahahahaha!

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cowboy Doors of Perception
03/17/15 7:39 am

It's transparent alright. Transparently racist, Marxist, anti-American, pro-radical Islam, and anti-Israel.

SFLiberal
03/17/15 7:55 am

Then name a more transparent administration.

political Georgia
03/17/15 7:57 am

Thomas Jefferson's.

You only wanted one, right?

SFLiberal
03/17/15 8:04 am

Now can you name an administration that hasn't kept any secrets?

political Georgia
03/17/15 8:05 am

In other words, you were beat in round one. Now, you want to change the rules of the fight into something I'm not even fighting for.

SFLiberal
03/17/15 8:10 am

Sure.

political Georgia
03/17/15 8:15 am

I know, man.

cowboy Doors of Perception
03/17/15 8:22 am

This administration couldn't be any more transparent.

Think Lovin Life
03/17/15 8:23 am

SF ... there are miles between no secret and transparent. Has MrO kept his promise to have a transparent administration -- in the context of the Bush administration -- which was MrO's promise?

cowboy Doors of Perception
03/17/15 8:31 am

What happened to bills being on the Internet for 72 hours before a vote? Oops...

SFLiberal
03/17/15 8:42 am

Yes, think.

Think Lovin Life
03/17/15 11:34 am

SF ... Wrong, MrO has failed to keep his promise of a transparent administration.

redsox95 New England
03/17/15 7:32 am

LOL LOL.

you're a joke.

Deflect blame from Obama ALWAYS.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
03/17/15 7:41 am

I don't care if you disagree. Are you able to act like an adult and not attack someone for having an opinion you don't share?

Think Lovin Life
03/17/15 8:25 am

Tex ... has MrO kept his promise to be the most transparent administration?

How does the Supreme Court excuse MrO's lie?

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
03/17/15 8:41 am

@think - I'm laughing because you told me your perspective before you heard mine.

I think mr o as you call him, The President of the USA, has to think about the office. I don't think it's transparent. That's not good. Scotus gave him the option.

Think Lovin Life
03/17/15 11:30 am

Tex ... why would I have thought you'd answer the question honestly ... silly me!

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
03/17/15 2:50 pm

What part was not honest. I do think part of the struggle all presidents have is they have to think about the office. I do think this change is not good.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
03/17/15 2:50 pm

Scotus' ruling gave him the option... It happened.

Think Lovin Life
03/17/15 2:53 pm

Tex ... you see, it's really very simple. He lied. You excuse his lies, hiding behind the Supreme Court.

Pathetic!

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
03/17/15 3:44 pm

He didn't lie. I knew that's what you wanted me to say. He didn't.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
03/17/15 3:46 pm

It's funny that if you don't like my answer, you think I'm not answering the question.

Think Lovin Life
03/17/15 3:48 pm

Tex ... the problem that you Obama Lemmings have is that MrO's lies are on tape ... listen and weep ...

youtu.be/CU0m6Rxm9vU

Think Lovin Life
03/17/15 3:53 pm

Tex ... in your desperation, you overlooked the fact that you haven't asked a question.

At the same time, it's curious that you -- the one who hasn't answered my questions would attempt to assign your failing to me.

Hint: a question ends with a "?"

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
03/17/15 5:04 pm

@think - don't assume I'm not aware. I pay attention. I know that this is not lying. Every candidate says things that don't match up to action bc they don't know what's really happening and what the laws really are. Life's not simplistic.

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
03/17/15 5:04 pm

I also don't hate Obama so I don't jump to an extreme position. I've seen many presidents and he's better than the last and most.

Think Lovin Life
03/17/15 5:35 pm

Tex ... I don't assume anything -- especially not with uber leftists like you. MrO lied. The video I just shared shows several commitments that he made that he's totally failed to deliver. He railed against Mr Bush and has done FAR worse!

smarttexan More Moderate Than U
03/17/15 5:38 pm

He's still president. Maybe your question may be more relevant in 2 years...

Think Lovin Life
03/18/15 4:23 am

Tex ... so you now admit what you denied earlier, that you lied about answering my question. That's progress!

Nancy Pelosi would be so proud of you with your ... we have to have a full 8years before we know what's in MrO's presidency! Pathetic!

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
03/17/15 7:21 am

Yes. The prezidency is a political office and so there's politics interwoven into every discussion. They have a right to discuss their politics privately. We don't have a right to staffers' email about whether the prez should attend netanyahu's speec

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
03/17/15 7:22 am

Their internal discussions really shouldn't be open to inspection. The fruit of their work, however, including policy, regulations, proposal for law, are and should continue to be the focus of scrutiny and debate.

Ryguy8954 Logic for Politics
03/17/15 8:07 am

Clearly not everything needs to be available to the public immediately, but anything that does not jeopardize national security should, and old thing should as soon as they no longer jeopardize it.

imanag My heaven on Earth
03/17/15 7:20 am

So much for transparency.

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getupbaby South City
03/17/15 7:20 am

I say no, but everyone knows what administration started this precedent, correct?

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
03/17/15 7:25 am

Yes, but that's irrelevant as it doesn't excuse this guy.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
03/17/15 7:28 am

Your guy did promise to be more transparent than was Bush's administration, BTW. This makes him a liar too.

getupbaby South City
03/18/15 12:30 pm

My guy? Gary Johnson did no such thing!

whatsuphomie
03/17/15 7:19 am

They want to be excluded because of course they have something to hide

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Posco BBQ Enthusiast
03/17/15 7:17 am

No, they should not be.

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