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Show Of Hands November 13th, 2014 2:40pm

A couple enters the U.S. illegally and then has a child, who is now a U.S. citizen by law. If discovered, should they be allowed to legally remain in the country with their baby, or should they be deported?

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Tariq88 Utah
11/18/14 3:16 pm

Why would they not just give a chance to become citizens , it's hard on the child if you don't.

BasharAlAssad 60093
11/18/14 1:49 pm

The kid can stay. The parents should be deported

Ggarcia Texas
11/17/14 11:28 pm

That's the whole scheme. Cross illegally to give birth here and boom, an american citizen is born. My aunts sister and law did the same and now lives off the govt. Pathetic. I'm a Latina and side with what is right. Not b/c we share a race.

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L1B3RTAR1AN Virginia
11/17/14 7:59 pm

Sorry but you can't just come to this country illegally, have a baby and be off the hook. If that was a law then a bunch of immigrants would do that and then over population years later. Ewww

Thaddeus1
11/16/14 9:15 pm

The kid should be deported also

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missmarie216
11/16/14 11:02 am

If we allow the parents to stay then illegal immigrants would get pregnant on purpose and come to America to have the baby, they should be deported

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teaa New York
11/15/14 7:16 pm

This applies to my best friend's parents... I honestly feel sorry for her.

Thaddeus1
11/16/14 9:14 pm

I don't

kdawg42401 Charleston, SC
11/15/14 6:18 pm

They broke the law deport both of them! illegal immigrants

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Think Lovin Life
11/15/14 10:53 pm

They're not immigrants. You have to present yourself to the government and be accepted into this nation to be an immigrant. You then have a right to be here.

These people are illegal aliens with no right to be here.

kdawg42401 Charleston, SC
11/15/14 11:58 pm

Awwww is one crybaby offended ; .(

Think Lovin Life
11/17/14 6:58 pm

Kaela ... you appear to have issues with facts. I'm sorry for you.

Leftists pretending to care are not the friends of the lawbreakers. Leftists just see illegal aliens as a meal ticket to power.

Shua01 Ohio
11/15/14 10:35 am

Here's why: If I went over to some other Country illegally and had a baby and got caught, I'd expect that I would be deported. I guess you could say I'm for equality on this issue.

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hemikid1993
11/15/14 10:07 am

No. Deport the baby, too. Marrying a Chinese girl wouldn't make me an Asian.

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theNobamist Silicon Valley
11/14/14 4:00 pm

Which is why step 1 of immigration is secure the border. We've gone thru the "amnesty- first, secure-second" ruse too many times. Why do we fall for that same old trick?

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theNobamist Silicon Valley
11/14/14 3:59 pm

A couple kills three people. They enter the US illegally. They have a child. Their home country prosecutes them. Should they be protected to stay just because of an "anchor baby"?

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Will94
11/14/14 5:31 pm

No, because murder is attached to the situation. Are all illegal immigrants axe murderers? No.

Think Lovin Life
11/15/14 10:56 pm

Will ... please publish your address and phone number so we can send the illegal aliens over to your house to live.

Please leave the door unlit and the light on ... Thanks!

wellallpay
11/14/14 3:39 pm

Liberal households should take in all the illegals.If they want them here so bad let them shoulder the burden.That doesn't mean all living on welfare.Pay your own damn way.

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danwh1290
11/14/14 3:52 pm

You sound ignorant. Illegals come here to WORK not collect welfare. Who is on welfare. Mostly white people born in America. How about putting some of the filthy rich exploiters of cheap labor in jail?

wellallpay
11/14/14 3:56 pm

The breaking the law deport him a lock them up.

wellallpay
11/14/14 3:58 pm

Honest hard-working immigrants are welcome.Sneaky lawbreaking douche bags can go home.

kdawg42401 Charleston, SC
11/15/14 6:20 pm

Umm that's a lie most illegal immigrants ARE coming over her cause they know they will be treated better than half the actual citizen of the United States

danwh1290
11/16/14 2:59 am

You can say whatever you want. But reality is reality and you have lost your grip on it. Why don't you hate the men who sent the jobs away?

njalstorm
11/14/14 1:59 pm

... And that illogical anchor law needs to be repealed.

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Chupie13
11/14/14 12:45 pm

They should stay till the kid is 18

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xtrakrizzle
11/14/14 10:44 am

Defintitley deport, but don't separate child from parents. The kid would retain his citizenship, and if he/she wants to return as an adult, the U.S. Should respect that, just like the parents should respect immigration law

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Aleut Odesa, Ukraine
11/14/14 9:56 am

This is exactly what the Africans would do. They would go to Ireland on a "vacation" have a baby and gain citizenship. Thankfully that law has been changed to deport them regardless.

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jchristianreed South Carolina
11/14/14 9:43 am

The kind of immigrants this country NEEDS are the ones who respect our rule of law! And there are millions living here right now! We act as if illegals are the only ones out there.

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indie California
11/14/14 9:08 am

Obama would throw all those who are legally applying to enter the USA under the bus. So this is the man Democrats voted for. All so the Democrats can pick up more voters and not for humanitarian reasons.

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Yoko318 Utah
11/14/14 8:32 am

The key word here is ILLEGAL. There is no debate, there is no discussion, they broke the law and have to pay the consequences, period. Otherwise, the law is completely useless.

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yms1dancer
11/16/14 6:19 pm

But that only requires to U.S. CITIZENS. They aren't yet......

jamjay Atlanta, Ga
11/14/14 8:27 am

The key word in this question is; Illegally.
All beyond this is void as discussion points.
The baby was a product of a felony act and therefore should have it's citizenship revoked.
Deport all three!

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lvjenna
11/14/14 7:49 am

Deport, in most cases the parents have had the anchor child for the purpose of being able to stay. The message needs to be sent that it won't work anymore. As a citizen I'm not choosing to orphan a child the illegal parents are.

optimistprime
11/14/14 1:23 am

Firkin racists. I was raised here, have no shred of Mexican knowledge, established business, and have to be taken away from everything I love because of my Parents' mistakes? Frikin racists.

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Congressman Louisiana
11/14/14 4:21 am

If you were born here you would stay. Your parents would be deported. And how is it racist? Your parents came here illegally.

Think Lovin Life
11/14/14 5:35 am

Racist ... NO! Law-ist ... Yes!

jamjay Atlanta, Ga
11/14/14 8:28 am

Your parents committed a felony and you and they should be deported.

Congressman Louisiana
11/14/14 9:22 am

The 14th amendment asserts anyone born on American soil is an Americans citizen. We cannot ignore that constitutional fact.

Think Lovin Life
11/14/14 12:23 pm

Congress ... agreed, but I hope you'd agree that this is NIT what was intended by the amendment and that this loose interpretation is being exploited and causing unnatural and even dangerous behaviors.

Think Lovin Life
11/14/14 12:24 pm

As a result, the law should be clarified and children of illegals should NEVER be covered in the future.

Congressman Louisiana
11/14/14 12:25 pm

The text clearly states born on American soil = citizen.

Congressman Louisiana
11/14/14 12:25 pm

The text clearly states born on American soil = citizen.

Think Lovin Life
11/14/14 12:27 pm

I know what it says. Do you think they intended it for those brought here illegally?

Do a bit of research on it and you'll be surprised!

Congressman Louisiana
11/14/14 1:00 pm

Do you think the founding fathers intended for machine guns? No. But the text is what it is.

wellallpay
11/14/14 3:49 pm

Toss the parents! let one of these passionate folks who demand the child stay take good care of the kid. I'll thank you for standing by your beliefs.

Think Lovin Life
11/17/14 7:05 pm

Congress ... the founding fathers intended that we'd have the freedom to protect our families from an irresponsible government that would attempt to steal our freedoms.

They couldn't imagine automatic weapons, they certainly saw what gov't would do.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
11/13/14 11:36 pm

They should stay.

It's what Jesus would do.

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StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
11/13/14 11:58 pm

And I mean actual jesus, not Republican Jesus.

There's enough adherents of Republican Jesus here on SoH for you to get an idea of what that's like.

sigs77 Pennsylvania
11/14/14 12:33 am

Church and state should be strangers to each other.

Think Lovin Life
11/14/14 5:32 am

Stiletto ... what did Jesus do with the money changers in the temple? Did he let them stay?

Think Lovin Life
11/14/14 12:26 pm

Sigs ... the problem is that the state is becoming more aggressive and take away those freedoms held most dearly.

Riksdag Seattle Washington
11/13/14 10:52 pm

Why don't all you who voted "deported" think about how it would be if you were in their shoes, we were all from someplace else, unless your Native American so technically we should all leave

Think Lovin Life
11/13/14 11:25 pm

Bench ... they have no right to be here. I've lived in their countries and they aren't plagued by the same limousine liberal guilt that we are cursed with in the US.

Riksdag Seattle Washington
11/14/14 12:00 am

we stole American land from native Americans, most of us have no right to be here and they were born here which means they are citizens

sigs77 Pennsylvania
11/14/14 12:31 am

^The Native Americans were few in number to the land they supposedly owned.Moreover they sold it to us, hence the term "Indian Giver"

Captainbstring Biden is a Clown
11/13/14 10:12 pm

The baby should not be granted citizenship unless the parents go through the legal proceedings necessary to become legal residents of our country.

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kazok
11/13/14 10:02 pm

Border lines are on a map, just that. Yet we have also written them on our hearts if we cannot accept these people. Believe it or not, not every immigrant is a drug-selling rapist. The majority have families and are coming to america for basic rights

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Think Lovin Life
11/13/14 11:27 pm

kaz ... please publish your address and leave the door to your house unlocked so we can all come over and help ourselves to your things as the boundaries of your house and possessions aren't real.

kazok
11/13/14 9:59 pm

Everyone here (or at least the majority) is or descended from an immigrant. To say that people who are being oppressed cannot come here, the land of liberty, is ridiculous. "Give me your poor, your tired huddled masses yearning to breath free".

Think Lovin Life
11/13/14 11:29 pm

kaz ... in your mindless leftist zeal you've missed one very important point. We allow millions to emigrate annually. We're only talking about those who enter as criminals, breaking our laws, not those who follow the rules.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
11/14/14 12:02 am

Yes. Those ppl immigrated LEGALLY. They were determined to be free of disease, promised to take care of themselves, obey US law, assimilate, learn English. They accepted & complied w/whatever legal obligations were in force @ the time.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
11/14/14 12:05 am

We welcome anyone who willing to do exactly what our ancestors have done: comply with US law, learn English, support themselves, assimilate into US culture... become Americans the same way our families did.

sigs77 Pennsylvania
11/14/14 12:36 am

We should only allow people in who will benefit us with their skills and not people who will weigh the system to the point of economic collapse. But that's exactly the goal.

maddyylion
11/13/14 9:41 pm

It's a touchy subject for me because we wouldn't be Americans if it wasn't for us being immigrants and forcing people out of their home land . And then when an innocent child is born here we are so quick to send it back to poverty . Home of the brave

Rob Be Safe Be Smart
11/13/14 9:03 pm

It's a stupid law that gives you full citizenship simply by being born here. They can be entitled to it, even before those who were not born here, but they right to live shouldn't be granted simply by birth. That would save us a lot of problems.

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LCPP
11/13/14 8:45 pm

The baby shouldn't be a citizen

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kazok
11/13/14 10:07 pm

Why not? The baby was born here. Because the baby's parents weren't born here, the baby can't vote, can't officially participate in society?

Think Lovin Life
11/13/14 11:30 pm

kaz ... they broke the law to get here in the first place, meaning the citizenship is illegitimate.

DIT New York
11/13/14 7:51 pm

The issue with this is that people will start having babies for the wrong reason and I don't think that's right.

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Think Lovin Life
11/13/14 11:31 pm

Start? Where have you been for DECADES?

centexken Republic of Texas
11/13/14 7:40 pm

That law needs to be changed. That child should be deported with the illegal parents.

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commonsense America isnt racist
11/13/14 7:39 pm

Give the parents a chance to make it up to America by pursuing a path to citizenship. If not, Deport the parents. If they want to take their child that's fine, otherwise it goes to foster care.

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GOODLOOKING 37174
11/13/14 6:19 pm

This is 'Murica! Make your citizenship legal for the baby or get out.

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dfish at home
11/13/14 5:52 pm

I'm really surprised on these results. You legally can't deport the baby, so therefore the majority of people on here would rather make the newborn an orphan than let the two parents stay. Surprising

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MericaRules
11/13/14 5:57 pm

Because otherwise they would just all have babies to get around the law. You can't make exceptions like this.

wellallpay
11/13/14 6:01 pm

So anybody in prison that have a child should be let free.We wouldn't want to separate the family.

wellallpay
11/13/14 6:02 pm

More rapist in arsonists on our streets.....if you're not pro-gun now you will be.

GOODLOOKING 37174
11/13/14 6:21 pm

The baby's a citizen, they're not.

MKK San Diego
11/13/14 6:37 pm

Didn't the parents bring the kid into the situation? Why didn't they consider the consequences? They put everyone in a bad situation

dfish at home
11/13/14 6:51 pm

Merica: A lot of people do do this and get to stay. They're called anchor babies and for the most part their parents don't get deported.

dfish at home
11/13/14 6:54 pm

MKK: obviously it's an unfavorable situation, but that being said I personally wouldn't make the decision to make that baby an orphan

MiLeNkO
11/13/14 7:13 pm

Who says the child would be an orphan? They can take it back with them. Using the child to get around the law would be a no-brainer for many looking to stay in this great country.

Think Lovin Life
11/13/14 11:34 pm

dfish ... don't be a drama queen!

Many have said it clearly ... the child should go with their parents -- who entered our country ILLEGALLY -- back to their country of origin and when the child is emancipated, they could apply to return.

dfish at home
11/14/14 3:47 pm

Sorry. I didn't mean to be a drama queen.

wellallpay
11/14/14 3:53 pm

If me and my wife committed a crime could this be some sort of defense.we have a kid you can't throw us in jail.

dfish at home
11/15/14 10:46 pm

If the crime was walking over an invisible line

R3VLTNjax
11/13/14 5:46 pm

They came here illegally. Baby or not.

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Kendell Redlands, CA
11/13/14 5:19 pm

Sorry, liberals. I can't join you in this one. I can't imagine one reason why "they" should be allowed to stay because the baby was birthed inside our borders.

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hansorg Columbus, Indiana, USA
11/13/14 4:53 pm

This app is a cesspool of hate...

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Brandon1995 San Francisco
11/13/14 5:24 pm

Most of the internet is a cesspool of hate.

akrealist a log cabin in the woods
11/13/14 7:11 pm

Understanding economics and the limits of our educational, healthcare, and other systems is not hate, it's what grown-ups have to do when reality hits the checkbook. We have a first obligation to Americans already served by those strained systems.

hansorg Columbus, Indiana, USA
11/13/14 8:20 pm

Ok, guy from a state where immigrants don't go...

akrealist a log cabin in the woods
11/13/14 9:11 pm

Ok, um, I'm a gal. And...I spent the better part of forty years between Texas (where I grew up) and Florida (where my kids grew up.) I have a few degrees and a few decades of work experience spanning public admin, healthcare, and social service.

Think Lovin Life
11/13/14 11:36 pm

Han ... you are so right. How is it that Democrats so hate the poor in America that they'd put their on power hungry aspirations ahead of the well-being of our citizenry?

It's simply pathetic! Let's stamp out this scourge on our society.

kissmyconverse
11/13/14 4:51 pm

Come in you hard asses, how about the American dream??

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typetype level 2 pretty
11/13/14 5:12 pm

It died in Vegas.

wellallpay
11/13/14 5:55 pm

What about my American dream. The one that has the government getting off my ass and me not paying for everybody to have an EBT card.

MiLeNkO
11/13/14 7:15 pm

Tpiper is spot on!

Think Lovin Life
11/13/14 11:13 pm

Converse ... it's the AMERICAN Dream, but you want to deny it for Americans so you can give it to criminals.

typetype level 2 pretty
11/13/14 11:57 pm

Lol Tpiper why are you dreaming about people who have EBT and the government doing something to your a**?

kissmyconverse
11/14/14 12:15 pm

Everyone deserves a chance at a better life.

MKK San Diego
11/14/14 8:17 pm

Why can't they dream in their own country? Our dream has a price and our credit cards are tapped.

typetype level 2 pretty
11/14/14 10:06 pm

Dude have you ever tried to have a dream in a developing nation? Not even an American dream, just a dream period. Ish is wack son! Dreams always end with you thinking your at a spa in the hot tub but you wake up to a street animal making pee on u.

Think Lovin Life
11/18/14 1:17 am

Converse ... they have a chance to enter the country legally. Mathews criminals ignored our laws and now demand amnesty.

The don't want a chance, they want a handout that they don't deserve!

wellallpay
11/13/14 4:29 pm

They should've stayed in their own damn country.And fight for it instead of being sneaky little douche bags.LOL

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CTYankee!!! Connecticut
11/13/14 4:42 pm

Just like those nasty ol' Pilgrims did

wellallpay
11/13/14 4:44 pm

That had nothing to do with me

wellallpay
11/13/14 4:45 pm

American Indian African-American

Think Lovin Life
11/13/14 11:38 pm

CTY ... except the fatal flaw in your argument is that the pilgrims broke no laws being here.

wellallpay
11/14/14 4:50 am

The Indians should've never gave them anything or help them make a home here.look how wonderful it turned out for the Indian.Anyone who starts out by breaking this nations laws should be Toast out.

Think Lovin Life
11/18/14 1:14 am

Well ... but Native Americans did give the pilgrims land.

There is absolutely no moral equivalence between the pilgrims, who broke no laws when they purchased the lands and the illegal aliens who are breaking law to get here.

CTYankee!!! Connecticut
11/18/14 6:28 am

Sure. They "gave" them the land.

bnnt Los Angeles
11/13/14 4:17 pm

The 14th amendment was meant for slaves, not for allowing illegals getting entry with their baby's or pregnant Chinese tourists having their babies here to get them citizenship 140 years later.

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Think Lovin Life
11/13/14 11:39 pm

Precisely! Democrats again twist a good thing into a selfish struggle for power.

shygal47 Florida east coast
11/13/14 4:17 pm

IMO, the law could changed so that the kid is US citizen but subject to deportation until the age of 18 due to the illegal status of the parents.

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Think Lovin Life
11/13/14 11:39 pm

Exiled ... not deported ... until emancipation.

typetype level 2 pretty
11/13/14 3:48 pm

Stay but their kid better make good grades and not become obese.

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dboatright Virginia
11/13/14 3:54 pm

So they can be a citizen just without the freedoms of every other citizen? I'm confused...

typetype level 2 pretty
11/13/14 5:00 pm

The child? Yeah, if you're born here most of the time you're a citizen right? Just saying: great you're a kid in the United States, please do well in school and don't become a giant f** a**. Same msg to all the youth of America

typetype level 2 pretty
11/13/14 5:09 pm

Oh yeah and their parents should stay too unless one of em is wanted for crimes in their home country and has a bunch of priors in the US as well. They should be Resident Aliens (wtvr it's called)

MattR Illinois
11/13/14 3:35 pm

For all of you saying that we only care about ourselves and just don't like foreigners, are completely wrong. We are fine with immigrants, as long as they come here LEGALLY. It's not fair to the people who came here the right way.

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MattR Illinois
11/13/14 3:37 pm

Plus it is only hurting our economy even more than it already is, because they come here live off the hardworking tax payers or they take other AMERICANS jobs. Which either way isn't a good thing.

dboatright Virginia
11/13/14 3:54 pm

I haven't seen many Americans wanting to clean hotels or work fast food....

MattR Illinois
11/13/14 4:08 pm

Dboat, Where do you live? There's plenty of teens around my town who would be willing to do those jobs for some extra cash.

dboatright Virginia
11/13/14 4:11 pm

1/2 I'm from CA but I'm in VA now. And I agree with you some teens would be willing to do those jobs, however in my experience that's a minority. And doesn't really have a significant economic impact.

dboatright Virginia
11/13/14 4:13 pm

2/2 unless you include the loss of potential work experience that those teens are losing out on. In that case you need to realize that those same teens are going to be able to get jobs later on in life that only citizens can get.

kutchev97
11/13/14 3:32 pm

im so moving...out of this country.

CTYankee!!! Connecticut
11/13/14 4:43 pm

You'd better not go anywhere illegally

Think Lovin Life
11/13/14 11:24 pm

CTY ... the US is one of the few places where you can get away with that nonsense!

Most countries take care of their citizens first. Once they're whole, then they look to help others. Only misguided leftists believe otherwise.

RyanUnited Be the Change
11/13/14 3:23 pm

Why can't we revoke the citizenship from the baby and then deport them all?

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dboatright Virginia
11/13/14 3:31 pm

Interpretation of the 14th amendment...

RyanUnited Be the Change
11/13/14 3:35 pm

I've been taught that the 14th amendment was created to give citizenship to former slaves so now it should be changed to take out the part of anyone born on American soil is American.

dboatright Virginia
11/13/14 3:39 pm

Then how would one become a citizen? How would you change it? The only way that you can become a citizen is if your parents are citizens? Or you have to pass a test to become a citizen? Or...?

RyanUnited Be the Change
11/13/14 3:42 pm

Exactly, if a parent is a U.S. citizen then the child is a citizen too. And anyone from outside the country who wishes to live here would have to go through the same process we have for immigration (although it needs some reform).

dboatright Virginia
11/13/14 3:45 pm

The problem with that is that even before the 14th amendment we recognized that people born here were "born citizens. Under a common law called 'Jus soli'. All the 14th amendment did was extend that right to slaves...

RyanUnited Be the Change
11/13/14 3:49 pm

We can get rid of that too, other countries have like Ireland did about 10 years ago

dboatright Virginia
11/13/14 3:51 pm

Your argument should be that the amendment needs to be interpreted in its entirety. In that manner it seems as though that that Amm. only applies to subset of people.

dboatright Virginia
11/13/14 3:53 pm

But we still have a big question that no one is asking. What does it mean to be a citizen and why I I want to be one? What perks does it give me vs. not being one.

RyanUnited Be the Change
11/13/14 4:00 pm

You get to vote and can legally work (get money to support yourself) but you have to pay taxes and serve jury duty and possibly be drafted into the military

dboatright Virginia
11/13/14 4:09 pm

The only thing that a citizen is allowed to do that someone else doesn't is vote. Every other task you mentioned has to be done by a person with an extend visa (I'm not sure about the jury duty).

RyanUnited Be the Change
11/13/14 4:14 pm

But they have a visa so they get most of the perks of being a citizen

dudley northern Virginia woods
11/13/14 3:06 pm

The baby can decide for him/herself when he or she is 18 or 21 . Meanwhile the baby should stay with the parents who should stay home legally.

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