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Praetorianus November 6th, 2014 11:51pm

A man over 21 meets a young woman, they start dating. Before they have sex the first time, he wants to see an ID because she looks so young. The ID says almost 19, but is fake, she's 15. Should the man be exempt from punishment if found out?

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DonWichita Kansas
11/07/14 11:39 am

Not buying it. It is too easy to concoct and build his story after the fact.

chickencookie It really is
11/07/14 8:24 am

If he is doubting enough to need to see an ID then he should not be having sex with her. Besides. Where are her friends? Her family? Or is she another lost soul popular on these SOH polls?

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Diknak Ohio
11/07/14 6:40 am

OFC. He did his due diligence and went above and beyond to make sure that he wasn't going to do something illegal. The fault is 100% on her.

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asia
11/07/14 5:26 am

I said no, but wonder why would he rush into bed before knowing even the basics about her?

Diknak Ohio
11/07/14 6:42 am

wait, why are you asking why HE rushed to sex? Why aren't you asking about her? A supposedly 19 year old girl is just as responsible for having sex without knowing someone.

mrdudemanpants
11/07/14 7:36 am

He checked the ID before rushing to bed. The ID was fake. He didn't know.

PartyFree Nowhere in Particular
11/07/14 3:01 am

If he had to question her age at all then she's likely too young for him.

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catpillow Florida West Coast
11/07/14 2:35 am

I have difficulty believing he can't tell the difference between a fifteen year old and a nineteen year old. The story about an ID sounds a bit too contrived.

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catpillow Florida West Coast
11/07/14 2:36 am

If he really believes her, then he shouldn't be punished.

missblank101 Ithaca, New York
11/07/14 4:15 am

I'm 16 and a lot of people in public think I'm a college student

chickencookie It really is
11/07/14 8:26 am

Cat - you are correct. There is a huge difference between a 15 year old CHILD and 19 year old young WOMAN. The 15 year old is not even fully grown yet.

opie99 left coast best coast
11/07/14 1:19 pm

At 15, I looked much older. I was tall- reached my adult height at 12, big boobs, I didn't look like a child.

chickencookie It really is
11/07/14 1:33 pm

It's more than looks oppie. Unless the 19 year old is mentally challenged you can tell by the way they conduct themselves.

opie99 left coast best coast
11/07/14 1:39 pm

If the 15 yr old went to the trouble of getting a fake id, then they wouldn't be talking about high school drama. Its not hard to fool people

osouless Whats Next
11/06/14 9:12 pm

I would hope that in trial the judge would be extremely lenient and hopefully the guy can get off but the laws the law.

xx116xx Christian. Unashamed.
11/06/14 8:55 pm

Solution: wait until you get married and then there are no problems.

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JJJSchmidt San Marcos
11/06/14 10:05 pm

Right, and if you superglue your vagina shut and never leave your house you won't get raped or murdered.
Unrealistic expectations and victim blaming are fun!

madeit Houston Area
11/06/14 10:37 pm

There can always be extenuating circumstances but if you are married there is intimate knowledge and trust -you don't have to a ask for a freaking I'D to enjoy sex together! The very idea of having to ask for ID is disgusting.

JJJSchmidt San Marcos
11/07/14 1:21 am

Your right it is. But alternatively to expecting everyone to adhere to an archaic moral code, we could change the law to acknowledge that if you're going to those lengths to have sex, maybe you aren't a frail, unwilling victim.

l1f2
11/07/14 5:41 am

Marriage itself doesn't change anything except you know the person hopefully better at that point. Not to mention there is a certain level of security. You can still accomplish this by not sleeping with strangers and having protection.

xx116xx Christian. Unashamed.
11/07/14 6:04 am

This is an age old argument, I don't think it needs any more debating.

madeit Houston Area
11/07/14 7:50 am

There is nothing archaic about conducting yourself with dignity and treating others with respect. There are some things in life that are more important than sex. Our bodies are ours to discipline and to use our sex drive in an appropriate manner.

JJJSchmidt San Marcos
11/07/14 12:04 pm

Marriage and respect are not inherently synonymous. You may do what works for you, but I should be free to fornicate without fear that I will be held responsible for someone else's deception.

SaintAnger sumkindamonster
11/06/14 8:39 pm

Yeah, they shouldn't face punishment. I've heard stories where it's happened.

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Rosebud Ohio
11/06/14 7:55 pm

Someone shouldn't be punished for doing everything in their power to follow the law. If anyone, she should get in trouble.

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JJJSchmidt San Marcos
11/06/14 7:47 pm

Clearly if she's lying with the express purpose of getting laid, she's not the one being taken advantage of in this situation. Lest we forget the whole purpose of pedophilia laws in the first place.

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
11/06/14 8:01 pm

Exactly. I think the same about teenage sexting. It's the purpose of such laws to protect minors, but if their behavior shows they aren't innocent exploited victims, it shouldn't apply.

Wes28 CBus
11/06/14 7:05 pm

Yes..just like a bar shouldn't be punished if an under 21YO uses a fake to buy alcohol.

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
11/06/14 7:03 pm

Yes, unless it can be shown that a "reasonable man" would have known it was a fake.

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/06/14 6:25 pm

Extenuating circumstances considered at sentencing, but yes, still guilty. The law against sex with an underage minor probably doesn't have an "unless she says she's (or he's) older" clause.

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
11/06/14 7:38 pm

It's what would happen but also an example where the letter of the law contradicts its spirit. It's there to protect exploitation of minors but if the minor is an accomplice and uses deception, the law should not apply.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/06/14 8:01 pm

I disagree, all it means is that the minor has also committed a crime, or at least fraud contributing to the commission of a crime. It's no different than giving alcohol to someone who is underage. Still your problem.

slickspin Heart of Texas
11/07/14 9:36 am

It didn't say they had sex....let the record show..

Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/07/14 10:17 am

True enough, but if he didn't go through with it there would be nothing to be "found out", no even borderline crime, and no potential punishment. There are lots of missing details, but it implied that that something interesting eventually happened.

AKYF
11/06/14 6:01 pm

Yes. He didn't know she was a minor.

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
11/06/14 6:00 pm

As for now, the party filter looks counterintuitive.

Maynard Londor
11/06/14 5:31 pm

I feel like, in my experience, age definitely is known long before I even consider dating someone.

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
11/06/14 5:53 pm

Depends. You may be told AN age, not necessarily the real one. Once a girl is fully developed and behaves womanly, wears makeup etc it can be difficult to tell her age exvept that she's not a little child.

Maynard Londor
11/06/14 6:00 pm

Well, if that's the case, and the guy totally believe she's of age, it's not really his fault.

Cole12 ...
11/06/14 5:21 pm

Definitely.

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GlockMan1 Alabama
11/06/14 5:01 pm

If he was living his life as God planned it, he would not be involved in sexual immorality until he is married. Same for her. Once you choose sexual immorality, it creates unwanted pregnancies and unwanted problems for both parties.

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HayleyS looking up.
11/06/14 5:05 pm

That's irrelevant. What about legal punishment?

krayzewolf New Hampshire
11/06/14 5:14 pm

HaleyS is right. Mythical deities have no place in a legal system based on real facts and evidence.

Rotavele Alabama
11/06/14 5:16 pm

They are appropriate when you wish to worship where you're not on tax payer property, but not in a law system. We'd be hypocrites to fight the Islamic state while doing the same thing.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
11/06/14 5:55 pm

Actually, if you DO take the Bible as sole authority, the conduct here described would be fornication, a sin, and was until recently called "living in sin". Do yall see a way around this?

HammeringMan Gods Away On Business
11/07/14 1:54 am

"As a man thinketh in his heart so is he." Can we please just start punishing everyone walking on the beach. Lots of immoral thinking there.

GlockMan1 Alabama
11/07/14 5:51 am

God's Law and Man's laws are two different things.

BadUsername
11/07/14 9:34 am

Stfu, OP.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
11/06/14 4:54 pm

Yes. He acted responsibly by asking and was deliberately deceived. Such fake IDs are common to buy tobacco or get in a disco or rated movie. You can't expect everybody to be able to spot a fake, let alone have a reader that exposes it.

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ThePhlegm The Lone Star State
11/06/14 5:14 pm

Disco? When are you?

Praetorianus Fair enough.
11/06/14 5:56 pm

In Key West, discos are often bar/disco and 21 because they sell liquor. Young springbreakers regularly use fake IDs.