Is the argument that government should stay out of marriage nullified by the fact that YOU the citizen need to apply for a marriage license and you are not being forced? As in you have to invite the government into the marriage.
No, and the argument seems a little too simplistic anyway. It isn't about the government being in marriages, it's about all of the government benefits attached to marriages. It would be a challenge to unroll all of those.
When I found my wife we were going to be together regardless. So if we were somehow denied a marriage license, it would have been completely irrelevant. She and I would have continued to travel around the sun together anyway. We choose to be together
, regardless of what state, country, or continent.
They want government out of marriages unless it's to pass their agendas like doma. Funny how reps do the same cherry picking with government authority as they do with the bible.
Iowa is a common law marriage state. No license needed!
I don't understand...
Not being forced, but coerced. You said it yourself, a liscense affords you sepcial legal protection. Who's going to choose it's ok because I can have inequality and fewer rights.
I shouldn't have to 'invite' them. My marriage is none of their business.
Then don't make it their business. Get married in a private ceremony.
Exactly. I don't understand this sudden last-minute anti-gay "government should get out of marriage" business. Government is only involved with civil marriage, which is the role of government, to be involved in civil matters.
Government isn't and never will be involved in religious marriage. You can go ahead and get married without any government involved. So stop whining about people who do want the government involved in their wedding. It's not your business.
Who actually WANTS the government involved in their marriage? Without a government-recognized marriage you won't get any benefits - taxes, property/inheritance rights, etc.
Isn't that part of the argument?
One of government's primary functions is to maintain order. That means creating laws that regulate some relationships between individuals. I don't object to government being involved with marriage, per SE, but to the degree and manner.
I don't think that stance is hypocritical.
What I mean by saying that is. We should do away with current systems. If someone wishes to be recognized by the government as a 'married' the option should be a civil union for all. That is all that should matter to the government.
simple rewording overcomes this problem though. like the government shouldn't decide who can get married
I agree any person above the legal age should be allowed to marry any other person above the legal age.
However conservatives use the government should stay out of marriage argument to say why homosexuals shouldn't be married.
I get a tax break that I don't really think I should. Playing the game doesn't mean you agree with the rules.
But isn't it hypocritical to say government should stay out of marriage and then invite the government into your marriage to reap the benefits?
I guess as hypocritical as it would be for a millionaire to advocate more taxes for millionaires and not donating money to the government before he wins the fight
Both are hypocritical yes, but by signing a marriage license you are inviting the government into your marriage.
No one is forcing you, you can forgo signing that license
And not receive the extra money? Why would I do that? Personally, I can't understand how a married couple deserves a tax break more than a couple just living together, but giving in and taking that money doesn't make me understand it better.
It's not just a tax break
it's having the right to put your spouse on your insurance.
Having the right to visit your spouse in the hospital
Having power of attorney should your spouse be incapacitated
Among many other things.
Without a legally
recognized marriage, that is all up to the private companies. and that leaves room for problems.
So why wouldn't I take advantage of that regardless whether or not I agree I need the permission slip from the overlords
If it wasn't for the "permission slip" your marriage is only recognized by the people who want to recognize it.
The license is legal protection that you can opt into.
And some think that's the way it should be. What confuses me is the people that think if I don't think that's the way it should be then I'm somehow against gay people marrying each other
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that if you don't want government in your marriage then don't invite them in
And lose the benefits in some act of martyrdom? Yea, no thanks, again why would I be dumb enough to do that?
Obviously you don't feel very strongly about it
Truthfully, I don't, I stood in line to get my permission slip, mumbled to myself how retarded the whole process is, and went about my life once I was given the blessing of the ones who know who I should be allowed to marry. Once done it was done
I pictured some guy on a throne saying "yes, this union is acceptable to me, you may carry on"
I would say no, because people have to apply for that license to be known as married and get the tax breaks and stuff.(although my system has a flat tax/sales tax)
the tax breaks provided by the government.
Congratulations by signing the marriage license you invite the government into your marriage so you can reap the benefits