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Mattwall1 November 6th, 2014 2:12am

"Abortion is old as the world. Gay marriage, please-it's older than the world. We had Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great... To say it's modern... it's older than we are... For us, not legalizing it would be to torture people needlessly."

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vin woof
11/06/14 12:25 pm

Don't forget about pedophilia prostitution and slavery.

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profligatesoul
11/06/14 11:49 am

Using this quote is not a good argument for gay marriage. Murder is older than that and there are some who say that is also wrong and thus our right to commit murder is being denied.

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Krystina Let Freedom Reign
11/06/14 11:45 am

I'm for gay marriage. Actually, I'm for the government getting the hell out of marriage and not dictating its parameters at all. Regardless, to equate not allowing anyone to marry with torture is unreasonable and extreme, IMO.

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arielb SoCal, so Cal
11/06/14 9:31 am

Matt, it would be "Res publica mortua est."

KingRodney Enjoy the Decline
11/06/14 8:29 am

I don't think Julius Caesar was homosexual. Alexander the Great might have been because Greece's culture didn't care about men having sex but I don't think Caesar did.

IamBorderPatrol North Texas
11/06/14 7:26 am

Yeah sodom and Gomorrah were as old as the world

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Joshua77 Jesus is Lord
11/06/14 6:44 am

Legalizing something bad (like murder) just because people have committed those bad acts since ancient times is neither logical nor good.

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bluerum29 optimistic idealist
11/06/14 6:00 am

Legalizing marriage is unnecessary. If you want to go back so far, government didn't use to get involved in marriage.

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ozzy
11/06/14 5:16 am

Your really stretching logic here Matt

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elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
11/05/14 11:47 pm

By that logic, legalizing murder is way past due.

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DuckAndCower
11/05/14 11:07 pm

Homosexual relations are ancient, but gay marriage is not. The statement is objectively false.

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chinito Florida
11/05/14 10:56 pm

"Torture" is the oldest word in that quote. Should we legalize torture?

Stupid quote

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TigerShark47 Missouri
11/05/14 10:38 pm

I have no problem with legalizing these things, but this was a poor quote.

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Mattwall1
11/05/14 10:45 pm

I agree with you on that

TigerShark47 Missouri
11/05/14 10:52 pm

I must ask, why did you choose it?

Mattwall1
11/05/14 10:54 pm

Because I'm sick of arguments based solely on the past, and while it in my experience tends to be used more by conservatives, it isn't exclusive. It's one thing to say "abortions have always happened" or "gay relationships and even marriages have

Mattwall1
11/05/14 10:55 pm

Happened in the past" but just like "the founders said so" you need more of an argument than that IMHO a to present a legitimate point, no matter how much I may agree with you overall stance

TigerShark47 Missouri
11/05/14 11:04 pm

I see. "Just because it's always been like this" is not a valid excuse for anything.

dominiclandry
11/05/14 10:33 pm

Besides being false, it's bad logic. Gay marriage is pretty new....

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droo Santa Barbara
11/05/14 10:33 pm

Really? Ever heard of a little place called Ancient Greece?

dominiclandry
11/05/14 10:39 pm

Did they marry or just practice homosexuality?

dominiclandry
11/05/14 10:47 pm

They wouldn't have been recognized by Roman law

RepMorris Pennsylvania
11/05/14 9:57 pm

Torture as a comparison here? Strange and overkill.

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madeit Houston Area
11/05/14 9:50 pm

Just because something is old doesn't make it right. Humanity can be really, really stupid for a very long time.

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musiman28 Cotton country
11/05/14 8:42 pm

Something that takes place on this world is older than the place it takes place? Yeah, whatever.

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skinner Wisconsin
11/05/14 8:01 pm

Age itself is not sufficient to justify concepts and actions. Abortion may have existed for thousands of years, but so has war, genocide, and a plethora of other malign tendencies.

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gjb2779
11/05/14 7:57 pm

I'm totally pro gay marriage but the whole torture comparison is just bizarre.

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gamerguy217
11/05/14 7:57 pm

I'm fine with legalization, but all that was total bullshit.

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/05/14 7:48 pm

Absulute unadulterated hogwash and a load of pure organic fertilizer of taurine origin.

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Arkansas123 Neoconservative
11/05/14 7:46 pm

Gay marriage is a modern phenomenon. No culture has ever considered same-sex relationships to be equal to opposite-sex unions until recently.

Unless you count Nero, gay marriage just isn't something that's happened in history.

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droo Santa Barbara
11/05/14 10:34 pm

Ancient Greece... Europe....

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
11/05/14 10:57 pm

In ancient Greece, middle-aged men would have quasi-erotic relationships with teenaged boys and sometimes with each other; but almost all of them also had households, including wives and children.

Gay marriage did not exist.

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
11/05/14 11:01 pm

With exceptions at certain times and in certain places, open homosexual practices largely disappeared from Europe after Greece was conquered by the Romans, who were conservative.

swervin Maryland
11/05/14 7:42 pm

I disagree. Not allowing 2 people to get married isn't torture. To compare the 2 is to downplay torture. That being said, I have no issues with gay marriage. Marry away!

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BigKennyShow Welcome to the basement
11/05/14 7:48 pm

I agree with this disagreement.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
11/05/14 7:40 pm

That's not even logical. Poor argument.

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political Georgia
11/05/14 7:39 pm

Legalizing selfish abortions is in fact torture!

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kermie gaytopia
11/05/14 8:56 pm

Too late to be a drama major?

political Georgia
11/05/14 9:02 pm

Drama's not really my thing.

political Georgia
11/05/14 9:03 pm

Drama IS not...dang typo

kermie gaytopia
11/05/14 9:08 pm

Are you sure because you sure get dramatic up in here.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/05/14 7:37 pm

I like it. I'd change "the world" to "civilization" or "human kind", but I like it.

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redsox95 New England
11/05/14 7:35 pm

Murder is as old as the world as well. Should we legalize something just because it's "as old as the world"?

No. Terrible argument. In my opinion.

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KudosToYou California
11/05/14 7:44 pm

Again, the idiots fail the grasp the concept of the difference between what does cause another person harm and what doesn't.

chinito Florida
11/05/14 10:51 pm

So you are saying murder doesn't cause harm?

KudosToYou California
11/05/14 11:44 pm

Not sure why you would want to look stupid.

Mattwall1
11/05/14 7:13 pm

President José "Pepe" Mujica of Uruguay

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