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skinner November 5th, 2014 8:37pm

Inspired by Trepidhickory: midterms may be over, but 2016 is still fast approaching. We can expect to see party favorites announce their candidacy in the upcoming months. Who are your top three potential presidential candidates?

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jvc1133 61535
11/06/14 6:56 am

Idk, there is more than enough guessing in the Media.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/06/14 1:24 am

Ted Cruz
Mike Lee
Alan West
Herman Cain
Rick Santorum
not a Libertarian
not a woman
Period.

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skinner Wisconsin
11/06/14 4:29 am

I understand your preference against libertarians, but why no women? Do you just not like any of the current prospective female candidates?

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/06/14 9:46 am

It's Biblical, Skinner, and difficult to do justice to in a short explanation. For a thorough explanation in a concise little book, grab a copy of "Leadership is Male" by David Pawson on amazon.com . But to state it briefly, it goes back to Genesis 3

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/06/14 9:54 am

when Eve, then Adam, sin ed. God cursed the serpent. Then He put a curse on Adam and his descendants (men) and on Eve and her descendants (women). Among the elements of Adam's curse were that he would have to work hard to grow food and that the

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/06/14 10:01 am

ground would begin to yield thorns and thistles, etc. The curse to Eve, though, is more interesting. Not only would He "greatly multiply her pain in childbirth," but "her desire would be (toward or of) the man." This is apparently (and I don't speak

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/06/14 10:06 am

Hebrew) referring to women wanting to be like men in terms of authority; wanting the man's "headship," or leadership, authority. I do not offer this as anything near an adequate explanation, but as a foundation. In the New Testament, we are told

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/06/14 10:11 am

that the head of a woman is the man, and the head of man is Christ, demonstrating God's proper order of authority. Paul makes it clear that a woman is not allowed to preach (be a pastor) or to usurp authority over men. There are multiple verses

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/06/14 10:16 am

throughout the Bible that demonstrate this principle: that (1) children may learn leadership by playing at leading each other; (2) women may lead and teach children and other women; and (3) men may lead and teach children, women, and other men. This

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/06/14 10:21 am

principle was known to our Founders, who had no women in the Constitutional Convention, and used male pronouns in referring to the presidency because they never intended for a woman to be in that office. Feminists will argue that "our culture has

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/06/14 10:32 am

changed, so we must read female pronouns into the Constitution," but the question immediately arises, "should our culture have changed in that respect? Was there no wisdom in the Scriptural principles God gave us, that is timeless and unchanging?" It

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/06/14 10:35 am

is up to each of us to decide whether to stand with God's wisdom or man's wisdom. I simply stand with God's Word. ✞

skinner Wisconsin
11/06/14 12:58 pm

While God does indicate the male is to be the figurehead of marriage He never explicitly proscribes women from power. Quite the contrary He seems to encourage the action by creating the incentive in the first place. Besides, God was describing the

skinner Wisconsin
11/06/14 1:01 pm

consequences of the fall and how women and men will relate to one another. That is a consequence of sin not a divine intention. Do you work in the field making your own food? Did your wife not have her child bearing pain ameliorated by modern

skinner Wisconsin
11/06/14 1:02 pm

technology? God was describing the way things would be, not the ideal.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/07/14 12:17 am

LOL - sadly, Judy was unable to have an epidural when we had our son. The doc had to talk us through basic Lamaze breathing!
I see your points, but, again, I'm not able to explain this as well as the book.

Daniel17LU Virginia
11/05/14 10:28 pm

Rand Paul
Scott Walker
Herman Cain

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
11/05/14 9:32 pm

- Mike Huckabee
- Marco Rubio
- Condoleezza Rice

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skinner Wisconsin
11/06/14 4:28 am

Is Rice actually considering running?

USA1st
11/06/14 10:15 pm

It's be great if she did!

genuflect University of Minnesota
11/05/14 9:16 pm

I honestly can't think of anyone I'd happily support
Philip Roth for the lulz
His running mate can be Jimmy Carter
The Fuck It Party: Roth-Carter 2016

USA1st
11/05/14 9:16 pm

Marco Rubio
Scott Walker
Nikki Haley

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elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
11/05/14 4:50 pm

Seriously? Do Presidential campaigns *really* have to start the day after mid-terms???

I won't consider anyone who is not/has not been a Governor.

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skinner Wisconsin
11/05/14 5:17 pm

Yes, they have to start right now.

MJSeals J.D.
11/05/14 4:49 pm

Walker
Stefanik
MD LT GOV Boyd Rutherford!

timeout Boston Strong
11/05/14 4:46 pm

Elizabeth Warren
Hillary Clinton
Bernie Sanders

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citethesource Socialist and Atheist
11/05/14 4:56 pm

I will be supporting Clinton, only because she had the best chance of winning nationally. She is not my preferred candidate, though. A left-leaving moderate is blunt preference. I would love an actual progressive, but I will not get caught up in

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
11/05/14 4:57 pm

...purity campaigns like the GOP has done.

But damn, President Sanders or President Warren sounds great.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
11/05/14 4:27 pm

Seeing all of the candidates offered up by conservatives make me so very, very happy.

If anyone tells you that liberals or progressives are scared of Carson or Paul or Walker, believe them. I'm terrified. Please oh please don't make Carson

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citethesource Socialist and Atheist
11/05/14 4:27 pm

...your candidate. Whatever would we do?

lip massholevania
11/05/14 4:31 pm

Yeah swillory, or warren the fake Indian? Is that the best ya got?

Rotavele Alabama
11/05/14 6:54 pm

There's nothing wrong with Indian women. Indian women can remember things from years and years ago. That's why they got that red dot, they recording everything you say.

lip massholevania
11/05/14 6:57 pm

Put down the crack pipe, granny warren ran as an an American Indian. Even though her great grand pappy killed them on the trail of tears.

lip massholevania
11/05/14 6:59 pm

Really? Racist much? Coming from a "protected gender?" Wow.

Rotavele Alabama
11/05/14 7:00 pm

Protected Gender? What are you on about?

Also I made the stereotype joke because I was pandering to conservatives. There's many Desi women without the bindi.

lip massholevania
11/05/14 7:02 pm

Really your rainbow contingent isn't protected? Racist.

Rotavele Alabama
11/05/14 7:03 pm

You've went off the deep end.

lip massholevania
11/05/14 7:06 pm

No, I'd be there with you. Ain't gonna happen.

Rotavele Alabama
11/05/14 7:09 pm

I don't think we've ever talked without you pulling a "no u"

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
11/05/14 7:12 pm

Rota, don't feed the trolls. Lip wanders from liberal to liberal making outrageous statements, trying to hook someone. He's not even an interesting troll.

lip massholevania
11/05/14 7:19 pm

Cite you are the best of the pond scum, the most fun.

lip massholevania
11/05/14 7:21 pm

Yet again, troll is the new nazi. When a libiot loses an argument and lies panting, soiling themselves they cry troll!

Rotavele Alabama
11/05/14 8:29 pm

Umm... Have you seen me called a troll? If you've been on an SoH poll, the answer is yes. The people crying about my behavior aren't libs.

Anywho Cite, I know. I really set him and swervin off one time and ignited them making polls on my evilness.

lip massholevania
11/05/14 8:32 pm

Your on crack rot. What poll would that be? To euthanize or not?

Rotavele Alabama
11/05/14 8:37 pm

You know how im usually being nice to you? I don't mean this as an insult, but it's not your insults, it's that all of your insults are very dated. To your credit, they'd have been good back in the 2000s though, not just "the average".

Rotavele Alabama
11/05/14 8:38 pm

If you want some tips on how to step on toes, feel free to ask.

lip massholevania
11/05/14 8:39 pm

Ah you struggle to be relevant. Keep trying.

lip massholevania
11/05/14 8:44 pm

Naw rot, no one wants the jv team.

fernando1999 Texas
11/05/14 4:06 pm

Rand Paul, Ron Paul (if he decides to run which probably won't happen), Marco Rubio.

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RINOTom Peoria, IL
11/05/14 4:06 pm

My favorites: Kasich, Martinez or Christie.

My predictions of top three: Paul, Walker, Christie.

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skinner Wisconsin
11/05/14 4:34 pm

What are your thoughts on Bush?

RINOTom Peoria, IL
11/05/14 5:05 pm

I don't think he'll run when he has to decide.

skinner Wisconsin
11/05/14 5:14 pm

No, I'm convinced he wants to run. Jeb's been dropping some serious trial balloons. He's said he's "thinking about it". George W Bush has said "I think he wants to be president," and George P Bush has stated "I think it's more than likely that he's

skinner Wisconsin
11/05/14 5:15 pm

giving this a serious thought in moving forward". I would be shocked if he didn't run.

That said let's say for the sake of argument that he does run in 2016. What would you think?

RINOTom Peoria, IL
11/05/14 6:00 pm

I think his last name will be trouble for him, but if he could get past that, he'd be our best bet with Latino voters.

chinito Florida
11/05/14 3:59 pm

Romney, Rubio and Perry.

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pedwingeorge Benson IL
11/05/14 3:52 pm

Scott Walker
Ben Carson
John kasich

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citethesource Socialist and Atheist
11/05/14 4:24 pm

You have no idea how much I want these to be the top GOP contenders.

pedwingeorge Benson IL
11/05/14 4:30 pm

Something would actually get done if one of these three would win

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
11/05/14 4:31 pm

They'll never win. They are fantastic candidates for the GOP to run, if you're a Democrat like me.

Seriously. Go out and get these people to run. Donate. Hell, I might donate to them. They are the best chance of a Democratic victory,

skinner Wisconsin
11/05/14 4:33 pm

George: he doesn't say that because he thinks they would be good candidates. Cite believes these people would fair poorly in a general election and that's his only motivation for wishing they would win the primaries.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
11/05/14 4:39 pm

Yup. It would be an electoral bloodbath.

The only Republicans that worry me are ones that would be unlikely to get through the primaries, especially if Clinton runs.

skinner Wisconsin
11/05/14 5:09 pm

And who do you think that would include?

skinner Wisconsin
11/05/14 5:22 pm

They would be great candidates. Unfortunately neither seems interested in seeking the nomination in 2016. Even if they did, Huntsman can't expand his primary support past moderates. Rice may stand a chance, but her pro choice record would hurt her.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
11/05/14 5:27 pm

Exactly, George. Stick to your candidates. Huntsman is awful and can never succeed.

That Ben Carson guy, though Get him at the top of the ticket! He will do perfect against Clinton.

pedwingeorge Benson IL
11/05/14 5:30 pm

I didn't like Huntsman to start with.

I think Ben Carson would have a landslide victory over Clinton though.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
11/05/14 6:48 pm

I agree. Donate your money. Volunteer. Get Carson onto the ticket for the landslide victory. I heartily approve your resolve.

spicysteve M14D SBS
11/05/14 3:26 pm

Paul Ryan
Susana Martinez
John Kasich

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skinner Wisconsin
11/05/14 3:45 pm

Interesting list. I like Ryan, but seriously when's the last time a representative jumped strait to the presidency? I'll tell you when, 1881. Ryan needs to become a Senator before I will consider him.

spicysteve M14D SBS
11/05/14 3:46 pm

He may have a smaller constituency, but he has the profile to do it.

skinner Wisconsin
11/05/14 3:47 pm

He does have a very strong profile, which could do him good. I also admire his ideas, but I'm just not sure I'm comfortable with the idea of it. Although I would strongly support him should he get the nomination.

spicysteve M14D SBS
11/05/14 3:49 pm

He has strong ideas, and I think that's evident to most people. This is the perfect counter to Hillary

skinner Wisconsin
11/05/14 3:53 pm

They are strong ideas, but they are also ideas that can be exploited by Democrats to make him appear radical.

osouless Whats Next
11/05/14 3:10 pm

Top three to win it would have to be...
Cuomo
Christie
Clinton

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ozzy
11/05/14 2:19 pm

Rick perry, rand Paul, ........

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ozzy
11/05/14 2:20 pm

Not jeb bush or Christie

skinner Wisconsin
11/05/14 2:04 pm

Governor Jeb Bush
Senator Rand Paul
Governor Mike Pence

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redsox95 New England
11/05/14 2:18 pm

Pence is a good guy. Met him a couple weeks ago. He sounded like he will run.

skinner Wisconsin
11/05/14 3:40 pm

Yeah I think he will make a good dark horse. I'm sorry to hear about Brown. I thought he would make a comeback late last night.

sojourner present
11/05/14 1:49 pm

I'm hoping a candidate will emerge that I feel positive about voting for, instead of trying to choose between the lesser of two evils.

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rickvee Living the dream
11/05/14 3:25 pm

Sounds like we're all in the same boat. I'd love to see Condi Rice on the ballot. Sadly, she's too smart and honest for that position.

Whichendisup uniquely unoriginal
11/05/14 3:39 pm

*snicker* honesty? yeah, that would be the equivalent of a vaccination for most of the politicians there unfortunately. would also be a nice change.

political Georgia
11/05/14 1:45 pm

Ted Cruz
Rand Paul
Scott Walker

I predict Rand Paul to get the nominee.

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osouless Whats Next
11/05/14 3:09 pm

And then promptly lose in November.

SFLiberal
11/05/14 4:07 pm

Let's see Ted Cruz's birth certificate.

RINOTom Peoria, IL
11/05/14 4:07 pm

Actually, I think Rand would have a decent shot ... definitely a better shot than Walker and Cruz.

skinner Wisconsin
11/05/14 4:12 pm

I agree with Tom. Paul may identify on the far right end of the party, but he has done a very good job expanding the party tent by reaching out to African Americans, young people, and moderates.

political Georgia
11/05/14 4:15 pm

Good luck getting the black vote, but he gets an E for effort.

RINOTom Peoria, IL
11/05/14 4:18 pm

^ Never going to get it with an attitude like that! Democrats were winning like 0% of the Black vote in the early 1900s and won like 80% by the 1930s. Republicans were winning like 10% of Southern Whites in the '40s and won like 70% by 1972. Got...

RINOTom Peoria, IL
11/05/14 4:18 pm

... to keep trying!

Joshua77 Jesus is Lord
11/05/14 1:40 pm

My hope is governors will run. I'd really like to see Mark Warner (now senator, was governor) run against Hillary for the democratic nomination. I'd also like to see Scott Walker run for the GOP nomination.

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