Do you think tonight's election results had anything to do with President Obama?
The election had much more to do with gerrymandered districts and the gutting of the voting rights act than anything to do with the president
Let's just say he's letting Ebola in to America!
Evola was here 30yr ago, not new
Worry bout HIV or Flu more people die of flu than Ebola
I think since Obama is a democrat, the republicans wanted to overthrow him in the office so they could support a republican president in 2016
Obama is a big plop of poop to me
Obama is just awful
I've said forever, and I'll say it again now. When will America learn, the presidency is just a puppet and scape goat for congress. Voter turn-out needs to be higher for congressional elections than for presidential.
He screwed his own people over
I'm glad only 14% of respondents are in denial.
Why is that guy still In office!!!!!!
I know how
And greedy, ignorant scum
What do you mean by that?
This is the first time in Obama's life he's probably thought something isn't all about him. And, as usual, his reasoning is flawed by his narcissism.
That's silly. All presidents are equally egotistical and narcissistic. Only Type As go for that job. Why single him out?
I think people are just tired of Politicians and the infighting and voted for whom they thought would get things done and stop the partisan bickering. Every midterm it swings away from whatever party is in the oval office at the time.
As soon as Hillary announces her candidacy, Obama will become as irrelevant as the bus boy in the White House.
And if Hillary declines to run, you know the shit is hitting the fan!
Every time & every President.
They complained with Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, etc...
The opposite party always (Dem vs Rep) fight throughout their terms & midterm elections, riling up for their side.
They'll do it for the future Presidents too
Let us not forget Harry Reid
Your are being played. Can't you see the truth?
It has everything to do with it.
Wasn't it HIS policies, which were on the Ballet?
According to the Big Dummy himself.
Of course. If you said no, you're a dumbass. People are realizing that Democrats have their heads up their asses. The bad thing is, the GOP is becoming more liberal. We need a new party similar to the libertarians, but that is socially conservative.
You think the GOP is too liberal? Hm.
TXN ... absolutely agree!
Dems fuck up- repubs get elected
Repubs fuck up- dems get elected
Dems fuck up- repubs get elected
Repubs fuck up- dems get elected
The endless civil war
American Sheeple too chickenshit to vote third party. Til then it will continue
Down with big brother! Up with anarchy, communism, and independent parties!
1 for 3
The election was a rejection of Obama's philosophy and policies. Harry Reid can no longer obstruct the congress and Obama will have to show the country his true colors when he Vetos or signs bills. He will now be forced to make decisions.
That doesn't make any sense. The people knew who they were voting for, you blame that on Obama. So you don't like any of these candidates or their policies yet you vote for them to spite Obama? I'm super confused.
Welcome to politics, where people vote against people they don't like and integrity doesn't matter
The truth is, everyone is to blame from the congress to the white house.
You're to blame!
I blame Norway
Just goes to show that if you lie, mislead, and blame things on someone long enough that the low information, emotional, self centered voters in the country will vote against their own interests and hand over the govt to corporate shills and hos.
That's a politicians job. If you think it began and ends with Obama your setting yourself up for disappointment
I'm sorry I misread your comment please disregard mine. I actually agree with you giving that a second read haha
Tractorman you are such a partisan tard
Do you have a job?
TractorBoy ... the fact is that even the low info voters that were duped into voting for MrO, the amateur were forced to admit their mistake when faced with 6 years of MrO's failures!
Finally we can begin to right the ship after MrO's shipwreck!
Most definitely, I saw a lot of better candidates lose just because of the D next to their name.
You are a democrat
I'm an independent who voted libertarian last election. But I can see where you would get confused, because anyone who doesn't agree with republicans is a stupid liberal right?
Now Impeach this embarrassment.
So Joe Biden can be President? Oh yea, that would be awesome...
I would watch those speeches :)
Yes and against a failing economy that's getting worse with a socialist-leaning president. If we were to stick with his vision taxes would skyrocket, government would get much larger, businesses would be started elsewhere in the world...
LOL. The economy is getting BETTER due to Obama. The reason the economy tanked in the first place was due to conservative laws and started with Reagan and trickle down economics.
Thats just not true. The economy is getting better despite Obama's strangling regulations and restrictive mandates. Where is the Keystone Pipeline??? Obama doesn't like it yet we are quickly becoming the the largest oil producer in the world.
Capitalism is responding to our economic deficiencies and dependance on foreign imports. Obama is not responsible for that growth.
It always has to do with the president. Country went blue after bush
How can even be an intelligent question? Although I can think of a few other who share in the responsibility.
I blame Democrats because, they'll pass a bill, it goes to the house and it fails they're quick to point fingers yet when a bill comes from the House, Reid says he won't look at it, refusing to compromise and blames the Republicans for holding him
back. And if he's against something he keeps harping at it. I blame Republicans because they won't compromise with the Democrats, and Boehner whines about spending and that, but has he tried to do anything to try to stop it? And how many tax dollar
have they wasted trying to repeal Obamacare which they screwed up in the first place. And Obama does share blame for blaming Bush (he does deserve it, but it's been 6 years) and that. all in all, all three share in the blame
Kind of: now the repubs have been given a chance to actually do something, not just tell us how Obama's vision doesn't "work". Now you have to come up with something that will "work". Or in 2 years you might be out too....
Exactly. But remember the president can veto.
Harry Reid deserves some blame as well. Refusing to pass budgets, refusing to put bills up for a vote, filling the tree so only he could offer amendments... he made the senate just a rubber stamp for Obama and completely irrelevant.
So you're going to ignore Boehner doing the exact same thing as Reid?
So the point here both houses wrote legislation the other house would not pass, the real problem going forward is now you have congress (GOP) that will pass bills just to have Obama veto them. The stalemate just moved locations.
I'm not ignoring anything, that's simply not the case.
The deadlock isn't simply moved to Obama, because congress controls the purse strings. They'll attach amendments to spending measures.
It's exactly the case. The Repubs literally changed the rule in the House so that ONLY the Speaker could bring budget proposals to a discussion and vote. They literally changed the rules so that they could control the House.
they both are guilty
If only more people realized that everyone was guilty and decided to vote against both major parties. THAT is the only way to show these arrogant politicans and lobbiests that we are fed up and that we actually have the power.
They are both guilty, but not remotely in the same degree. That's a classic liberal lie... "They're doing it too," when in reality it's 99% on them.
One small budget rule isn't remotely comparable to Harry Reid's complete domination of the senate.
Typical conservative blindness. Both parties are at fault at least equally. What Reid did in the Senate is EQUAL to what Boehner did in the House. To say something else is willful blindness.
Harry Reid has right now almost a hundred bills sitting in his desk. Boehner has two. Nice try though.
Lol yes because our idiot majority thinks the president is the only one who makes decisions. Everyone's always like "fuck Obama" but I've always been like "fuck congress"
Kinda like how everyone spewed "blame Bush" for the last 6 years?
Congress can't actually pass laws without the president's signature. Lol
3Gun; Yes they can. They can override a veto with a 2/3rds majority.
Neither side has had a 2/3 majority in a long time. I can't even recall the last time a veto was overridden.
The point is that your assertion that Congress can't pass laws without the President is incorrect. While it is rare that doesn't mean it couldn't happen.
The assertion was in response to the claim that congress was to blame as much as the president for our current difficulties. Here in the real world, that is utterly false.
3Gun; Only if you're willfully blind and ignorant. You're acting like Obama is vetoing everything when the truth is NOTHING is actually getting to his desk. How does that make it all his fault? People like YOU are why nothing gets better.
Yes. Because of Harry Reid. The decisions that are hurting America though are coming through regulations and executive orders. The "30 hour work week" that's killing full time jobs - Obama. New regulations on coal that are driving up energy prices -
Obama. Health care requirements (set by HHS, not the ACA) that are getting people's health insurance cancelled / Obama. I could go on and on.
You realize there are checks in place congress has the power to override executive orders as well? If they were doing their job in the first place there wouldn't be need to pass executives anyway
Why not fuck both?
Son - wrong and wrong. Executive orders exist to direct how the legislative branch implements law, not as a replacement for congress. There's no remedy for unlawful executive orders, except through the courts.
Congress can just as easily pass a bill to challenge it if it's really that bad. If the pres vetos it they can challenge and send it to Supreme Court... If you don't know the basic process of how laws and orders are passed how are you debating this?
Congress actually has no standing to challenge a veto through the courts. That was the basis of a recent lawsuit BY congress. And you want to challenge MY knowledge? Lol. Kids. Go do your homework.
"Congress has no standing to challenge vetos". Perhaps you are the one that needs to finish a basic US government class before you come on here making uneducated statements like that
I don't have thud time or interest to educate every half-wit who comes through here. Here's a freebie. After this you're on your own (and on ignore, btw)
>loses the argument
>implies he's more intelligent
>cites irrelevant article to the argument
>ignores for fears of seeing someone else's point being more logical than his own
Oh yah. We've had 6 yrs to judge this president's agenda. Unfortunately, though, the rhino, neocon, social conservative wing of the Republican party still rules the chicken coop. So, the repudiation of this Pres will be pointless and merely token.
other than those first 2 years that the left had control of both chambers along with the executive branch, and that little bit from 2010-14 that the senate was controlled by the democrats. The republicans were totally in charge
Everything to do with O and the democratic parties agendas.
Now we can go back to politics and not waste time on a sports team name.
It had EVERYTHING to do with him. The Republicans didn't even run on anything, other than they are not him.
Exactly. All they ran on was "if you hate Obama vote for me" and it worked. Big time.
It was a vote against him
Everyone blame the figurehead. That won't let the people actually in power brainwash you at all.
Don't have to blame the figurehead. He told everyone - himself - that this election was about his policies. He made himself the scapegoat by both his action, inaction & unmitigated words.
Regardless, people seem to overestimate the powers of the president. People seem to think that it is the president that even makes laws.
Problem is that far too much power/authority been rendered to unelected bureaucrats escaping balance-of-power oversight by Constitutional means & too much ursurpation of power/authority by Executive branch - using these unelected bureaucrats.
Regardless of party, btw.
I don't care about political party affiliation. In fact I loathe political parties in general. My problem here is that political parties are using the president, the position not the person as a scapegoat for all that goes wrong in the US. By doing
this they gain the vote of those that do not research into politicians. Those that can be easily persuaded that the political party the president is affiliated with is bad, just because of the president.
This president DOES make laws.
I hope you're being sarcastic
3Gun, and when he can't get the laws he wants he signs executive orders. Not just Obama - all of them in recent memory. the president has MUCH more authority with half the checks and balances of the original constitutional design IMO.
Obama simply changes laws. He made something like 40 changes to the health care law without any authority. He also transferred taxpayer money to insurance companies without appropriation.
The media's presentation of POTUS was not
True to the countries wishes, too liberal.
Not true to the republicans wishes *
Voting shows how people felt, evidently the republican wishes were the majority.
Think of the MILLIONS of people who lost their heath care plan after they were promised they would not. Think of the MILLIONS of people now have been forced to pay much more for insurance than they did before Obamacare. These are all unhappy campers.
We should just move to a single payer system completely and drop the insurance process. You know . . . like every other first would country.
Right, because they are moving away from it, so it must be a good idea.
So we can *all* get the same high quality, responsive, first class, healthcare our Veterans get! YAY!
It didn't even help that he put a gag order on next year's prices until after the election. The cancellations and rate hijes start rolling out today.
It had everything to do with Obama.
No. It was all about failure. Failure of government programs and failure of efficient governance. Congress shouldn't vote on the Washington Redskins name, while the Democrat programs are making the middle and lower class incomes lower.
"Anything"? You mean, like, he's a Democrat? His policies? Perhaps his race? Maybe the numerous 'scandals', whether real or perceived? Or just the fact he's President? "Anything"? Clearly, "Yes"...
Most of Pat Roberts mud slinging adds towards Orman hammered on how he would side with Obama so I think it mattered. Unfortunate but true.
How is it mud slinging to say a candidate will vote with his/her party president, especially when the prez himself said his agenda was on the ballot with these candidates? Was Obama mudslinging or just stating facts?
It's over. There is no point arguing. But Pat Roberts is an old old fart that doesn't even remember where Kansas is and we are stuck with him again. He is a reason we need term limits. 50 years is just too long.
And besides that Orman ran as independent, not a democrat. He said he would work with the majority.
That's what all independents says. I will work with both sides. But everyone knows 98% of the time the independents in politics are usually a democrat in-denial or in hiding. Most independents vote for the democrats agendas.
We are stuck with Roberts yet again so we won't get to know will we. : (
Rates and other things you can manipulate the stocks,
Unemployment- Obama is one of the most antibusiness presidents we've had did you know taxes on the upper middle, and upper class can reach as high as 40%, these are the people who create jobs,
Eh, only tangentially. Some people might have been more motivated to vote at all out of hatred for Obama, but I don't think feelings about Obama one way or another changed many people's votes from who they would've voted for anyway.
We don't hate Obama, we are tired of inept leadership, scandals, failed foreign policy, and reckless spending. This election was a referendum on his presidency. If he doesn't listen it will be worse for Dems in two years. Sit and watch.
I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion... Everyone I know was voting to try to improve what our President has screwed up.
Hating POTUS, or anyone else, is irrelevant. 2008 was a referendum on Gov based on promises this POTUS made & has almost w/o exception utterly failed to produce, especially bringing us all together in hope & change. We're done hoping for change...
... this vote was a complete rejection of what we've gotten instead of transparency & unity & "if you like your Dr/ins you can keep it," & all the other bait-&-switch games we've gotten instead. In short: we're tired of the blatant manipulative lies.
I didn't accuse any of y'all. I said "some." If you don't hate the president, then I guess I wasn't talking about you, now was I? I'm betting you guys would've voted anyway. I'm talking about people not otherwise motivated.
And I'm betting you wouldn't have voted for Democrats regardless of who the president was.
I don't think you grasp the mood of the American people towards Obama's failed administration.
I think you're confusing the mood of conservatives on SOH for the mood of the nation.
I think you're confusing the mood of liberals on SOH for the mood of the nation.
... You think I think liberals hate Obama? I don't think that's true either here or broadly. I think they're probably undermotivated, though. Do you disagree?
Hate = racism. I don't thing that has much of an impact on what we saw yesterday. People are fed up with the Obama administration across the political spectrum. It's time for him to go.
Wait, so now you're saying I think liberals are racist? Or something? What? What are you even arguing?
You originally posted that some people were motivated by hatred. It's not hatred, it's because of Obama's failed agenda, policies and scandals.
So why did you bring up racism and liberals?
I didn't you mentioned hate. My position is that the mood of America is a frustration with Obama's failings and not hate.
These are quotes from you, not from me:
"I think you're confusing the mood of liberals on SOH for the mood of the nation."
"Hate = racism."
That's what I was and am confused about.
Start at my comment that reads "I don't think you grasp the mood of the American people towards Obama's failed administration."
My hate comment was in response to you mentioning that some hate Obama. This suggests that it's a race issue and I don't agree with that analogy. It's about his failed administration not race.
Tru - I think you are assuming that people you know and talk to are representative of the entire nation, or a majority of the nation. They aren't. They may be representative of the majority of participating voters, however that is still a fraction.
"This suggests that it's a race issue and I don't agree with that analogy."
So why did you make it? You're the one who brought up race, not me.
Face - the voters have spoken. The people who didn't vote can't be factored because we will never know how they would have voted. The fact is American voters are sick and tired of Obama's terrible presidency. Get a clue.
I think what true is pointing out is that obama haters are called racist by democrats because of the hate. It's called playing the "race card". It's deployed in an attempt to divert attention from his many failings.
Americanguy- I will repeat it for you slowly. A. fraction. Of. The. voting. Populace. Voted. A. majority. Of. That. Fraction. Voted. For. Republican. Candidates. (This is taking too long - try to keep up)
you cannot extrapolate that they are representative of EVERYONE. The reality is Most Don't Care That Much. So, of the ones that bothered to speak, about 55-60% voted for a republican majority. Get over it.
I am still trying to wrap my head around the expectation, no, DEMAND by some people that Obama perform like the second coming of Christ & magically bring peace, along with flying unicorns, harps, & bird song. Talk about living in a fantasy world...
Americanguy, Beth knows exact what I was referring to. It's just the same old liberal attempt to spin the discussion and blame Obama's lack of popularity in race.
Wow you really are full of yourself. You have as warped sense of yourself as you have of most other things. I can't wait until the next election when we also have a Republican president.
Americanguy stated the facts and they are correct. American voters have indeed spoken and that's the way our system works.
True, get over yourself. I didn't accuse anyone of racism. You've got a chip on your shoulder; quit trying to blame me for it. If you don't like people accusing you of racism, maybe try not accusing other people of having accused you of it, hmm?
And FacePalm is exactly right. The people who don't have strong feelings about Obama stayed home. They weren't motivated to vote. This is a pretty common phenomenon, so I'm not sure why you feel so threatened by someone pointing it out.
Beth you are a drama queen and race baiter.
Got it. You're a child who likes to pick fights for no reason. I'll be moving on then.
Yes some people didn't vote SO their vote didn't get entered and thus doesn't count! Damn!
SO the people who did vote determine the outcome. The outcome is people are sick of the Obama presidency... Look at is favorability rating!
Thank god for that.
Tru - seriously, YOU look at the numbers. Obamas favorability rating was in the 40s.
CONGRESS's Rating was in the 10s. Somewhere around 13. This vote was way more about the gridlock there.
Voter turnout was near record lows. That's a fact. But if you want to interpret the National 'Meh' attitude as validation for your passionate dislike of Obama, feel free.
Thanks face! I knew you'd see it my way in the end. And YES congress did have a low approval rating. But let's look at the party most evicted.
I interpret that more as a result of a passionate few who loathe the democrats rather than a "mandate" from an overwhelming majority. Republicans and Conservatives were the more motivated of the few voters who were motivated at all.
Clearly Americans have rejected his Marxist agenda. Now let's hope the Republicans listen to the Conservatives and get things done.
That's going to be the real key. These Republicans had better get it together in a hurry
Which conservatives? The neo-con/social-cons or the true fiscal conservatives. If the former, I hope nothing gets "done".