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TomLaney1 November 2nd, 2014 10:21am

BONUS USAGE LESSON: "Crestor should not be taken by women who are nursing, pregnant, or may become pregnant." Grammatical or not?

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mamalisa California
11/03/14 2:38 pm

Tom I have a poll idea for you. Homage.

moonshot More often I know nothing
11/03/14 8:28 am

The sentence should replace the comma that is between the words nursing and pregnant with the word or.

rickvee Living the dream
11/02/14 2:59 pm

Not a fan of the Oxford Comma?

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 11:23 pm

Logic trumps Strunk and White. I've proven the need for the Oxford. Omma on several previous polls.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/02/14 11:24 am

You can fix it with another "who".

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musiman28 Cotton country
11/02/14 9:13 am

I chose correctly but only because I figured this was one that was incorrect, as such bothered you, so you did a poll.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 11:07 pm

Safe guess, I'll admit! Whenever it comes from a TV commercial, you can assume there's SOMETHING wrong with it! :o)
My guns remain up!

mc88 Cleveland OSU
11/02/14 8:08 am

Congrats on your 300th poll!

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 11:10 pm

Thank you! My wife would cite it as proof that I spend WAY too much time on "that darned iPod"! :o)

IamBorderPatrol North Texas
11/02/14 7:54 am

Hell, I was bothered by the fact that it kills you, I would rather be depressed.

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 11:12 pm

LOL this one's for cholesterol, but same principle!

imanag My heaven on Earth
11/02/14 7:51 am

I'm so happy that I am not the only person who was bothered by the wording of this commercial.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 11:11 pm

Separated at birth!

ozzy
11/02/14 7:35 am

I think it is, even though I would phrase the information differently

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 11:14 pm

Did I hear a gantlet thrown down? (Just kidding, buddy!). :-P

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/03/14 1:52 am

Common misconception. A gauntlet is a path between two lines of (originally) Indians with weapons, which one is made to run through as a test or punishment. A gantlet is a Medieval knight's glove, which he would "throw down" to challenge someone. :o)

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/03/14 2:08 am

Many spell these words the same, but they have different etymologies - Medieval French (gantlet) and Swedish (gauntlet). The British spelling of "gauntlet" for gantlet is very old, and influenced the alteration of a similar Swedish word to gauntlet.

ozzy
11/03/14 4:32 am

Clint Eastwood was the gauntlet. No challenge tom. Lol

2katz I live in Nebraska
11/03/14 1:21 pm

Tom - you mean I should believe some highly educated brilliant language expert over the spelling of gauntlet (picture of metal glove) in a free online game by developers living mostly in Ukraine? Oh, alright. :-)
Thanks.

trepidhickory Ayy Lmao
11/02/14 5:50 am

Don't forget comma placement.

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TierasPet
11/02/14 7:05 am

That was my thought but it appears to be the wrong error. :(

Praetorianus Fair enough.
11/02/14 5:19 am

One implied ARE too many (or is that: too much) ...

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 11:18 pm

"Any more implied ARRs and ye'll walk the plank, ye scurvy knave! Arr!"

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/03/14 11:15 am

nouns or pronouns are numbers, verbs are operators, and everything else is the parentheses, exponents, roots, etc. So it doesn't supoort your attempt to make a pronoun distributive.
*whew*
I know that was a lot. But it's comparing the grammars of

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/03/14 11:16 am

two different languages, and thus requiring bilingual thought. :o)

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 3:28 am

ANSWER - PLEASE READ: First, this is my 300th poll since April 2012. Yay! Now, the statement, issued by the FDA of the Federal gov't., is definitely incorrect and ungrammatical. The problem is faulty parallelism in the construction of the list.

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 3:36 am

Take another look. "...women who are nursing, pregnant, or may become pregnant." We may use the "distributive property" from math to see the problem:
WOMEN WHO ARE nursing,
WOMEN WHO ARE pregnant, or
WOMEN WHO ARE may become pregnant.

Diogenes FreeMeBe
11/02/14 3:38 am

Participle is a given, the nor is my bugaboo.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 3:43 am

Now, I don't know about you, but I've never known a woman who was may become pregnant. So here's the correct version: "Crestor should not be used by women who are nursing or pregnant or who may become pregnant." Now we have the three types of women:

Diogenes FreeMeBe
11/02/14 3:45 am

May was Chinese.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 3:55 am

WOMEN who ARE nursing or
WOMEN who ARE pregnant, OR
WOMEN who MAY BECOME pregnant. Note that the verbs are in all caps here to show clearly that only two items are naturally parallel. If you earned a gold star on this one, you're very good!

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 4:03 am

Now, if you got all that right AND noticed that the final "or" is correct and shouldn't be a "nor," and can explain why, you earn two gold stars cum laude.

firefly5 the verse
11/02/14 5:47 am

it's or instead of nor because the negation odd on the action, while the conditions (pregnant, nursing, etc.) are affirmative.

2albion2 California
11/02/14 10:19 am

I think you're incorrectly assuming all phrases follow ARE, but they follow WHO:
WOMEN WHO are nursing,
WOMEN WHO are pregnant, or
WOMEN WHO may become pregnant.
or as in
WOMEN WHO:
Are nursing
Are pregnant
May become pregnant.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 12:19 pm

Albion, I don't know where you went to school, but the first two are predicate nominatives. They follow the verb "are." Women who = pregnant,
Women who = nursing.
Women who may = pregnant.
That third one switches to subjunctive mood and the verb form

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 12:24 pm

is "become" instead of "are." I used the equals signs to show that all three are forms of the verb "to be." Good try, though.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 11:20 pm

FF - I'm giving you two presumptive gold stars, because I think Siri messed with your response.

2albion2 California
11/03/14 12:01 am

Of course, now I want some gold stars! I still think I'm right, though, because language changes over time and experts come up with rules to describe how language behaves after the fact.

2albion2 California
11/03/14 12:02 am

And obviously I think I'm right because I don't really know the rules!

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/03/14 12:57 am

Haha! Two gold stars just because I LIKE you! ✯✯

firefly5 the verse
11/03/14 5:10 am

oh boy. it's "or" instead of "nor" because the negation is on the action (should not use), and applies only if the conditions are met in the affirmative. if she is nursing (affirmative), pregnant (affirmative), or if she may become so (affirmative).

firefly5 the verse
11/03/14 5:13 am

and albion, if the who were the distributive term, the sentence would read: who are nursing, who pregnant, or who may become pregnant.

2albion2 California
11/03/14 8:39 am

To belabor this further, can't anything be distributive? It would be wrong if it were "women who ARE: nursing, pregnant or may become pregnant" because then the last clause would essentially become "women who ARE may become pregnant.l

2albion2 California
11/03/14 8:39 am

But it's correct as "women WHO: are nursing, are pregnant or may become pregnant" because the correct verb is in the right place, making WHO distributive, not ARE.

firefly5 the verse
11/03/14 9:00 am

I'm going to tap out and hide behind English not being my first language.

firefly5 the verse
11/03/14 10:14 am

a good guess, but Flemish.

Diogenes FreeMeBe
11/03/14 10:37 am

Are you sure it wasn't standard Belgium Dutch? ;0)

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/03/14 11:08 am

Albion, I can see my math analogy just confused things, but note that the distributive property only works with operators like +,-, X, or /, which are all verbs. That was why the analogy was appropriate - because in English, we need to realize that