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droo November 1st, 2014 10:52pm

A group of users on here think that having a college degree from a "liberal" institution such as a UC or an Ivy League is an insult, and only an indication of indoctrination and lack of education. Do you agree?

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lindseybcamp
11/03/14 12:15 am

Looks like somebody didn't get into their dream school...

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bassic
11/02/14 9:49 pm

My heart hurts after reading the comments below. Why do you all fight so hard over "liberal" or "conservative"? Can't you see that they're trying to divide you all over little differences?

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bassic
11/02/14 9:51 pm

"They" are dividing and conquering, distracting you from the real problems. They did the same thing in SE Asia by redrawing the borders to encourage conflict between ethnic groups so we could steal resources

bassic
11/02/14 9:54 pm

We are all relatives is some way. We are all being fucked by the same government. We are all pawns in the games of kings. We are all Americans.

bassic
11/02/14 9:55 pm

PLEASE understand that this war between "liberal" and "conservative" is purposefully constructed to divide and conquer us!

ladyniner81 I need chocolate
11/03/14 12:12 pm

I agree. my brain is itchy from reading it. At least someone gets it

Brrrrrrrrr
11/02/14 9:35 pm

It absolutely does. When the question includes Ivy League universities, 96% of their money going to 0bama absolutely is relevant.
And if you exercise some logic, you'll realize that is doesn't even matter if liberalism is an umbrella under which many

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s4mm1 MD SLP
11/02/14 4:53 pm

It can be but it isn't inherently true.

fredd TrumpLand
11/02/14 12:37 pm

Sounds like that group of users suffer themselves from indoctrination and a lack of education.

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cowboy Doors of Perception
11/02/14 9:09 am

It's an education alright. To Marxism.

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Rotavele Alabama
11/02/14 3:52 pm

You have no idea what Marxism is.

Marxism is a bit outdated and few actually follow it. At least call us Leninists or Leninism. I know you won't look that up either, just use it for a more appropriate adjective to call your enemies.

Mattwall1
11/02/14 6:54 pm

Rota-are you actually a Leninist?

Rotavele Alabama
11/03/14 6:20 am

No I'm referring to all democrats.

It's just correcting him so he doesn't sound as if he doesn't know what he's talking about. It will have more credibility if he knew the differences.

cowboy Doors of Perception
11/03/14 12:34 pm

I agree rotavele. All Democrats are Communists.

Rotavele Alabama
11/03/14 12:35 pm

Yes and all republicans are reactionaries.

Rotavele Alabama
11/02/14 4:10 am

Jesus did not attend a university, therefore it is nawt needed 2 b edderkated.

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bs75758 Michigan
11/02/14 1:46 am

I'd be willing to bet those groups of people are really the less educated ones.

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Rotavele Alabama
11/02/14 4:06 am

How dare you? GEDs are proof of education!

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/02/14 8:01 am

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lip massholevania
11/01/14 10:18 pm

A humanities degree is as worthless as the paper its printed on.

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droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 10:20 pm

Okay, so then a science or engineering degree from a liberal institution is not worthless, right?

MaxineL New Jersey
11/01/14 10:09 pm

One would hope that such an education would teach you to think for yourself and question both liberal and conservative biases.

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lip massholevania
11/01/14 9:47 pm

I've met a few, most are pompous a##hats. I

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Rotavele Alabama
11/02/14 4:07 am

You're an asshat that doesn't have an education. So I guess education isn't a factor.

Rotavele Alabama
11/02/14 4:15 am

Nice "no u" argument, sugar lips.

lip massholevania
11/02/14 4:17 am

Nice comeback, practiced that one for hours I see.

Rotavele Alabama
11/02/14 4:58 am

Stop flirting with me.

lip massholevania
11/02/14 5:00 am

Lols, I, don't bat for your team.

Rotavele Alabama
11/02/14 5:01 am

Stop messaging me to go out with you then if you deny me in public!

Octopus
11/01/14 9:27 pm

*scoff*

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aj1545 Cat Lady
11/01/14 9:26 pm

Lol, knowledge is scary for some people here when it contradicts their preconceptions.

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/01/14 9:51 pm

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droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 9:54 pm

gaiz, pls :-'(

aj1545 Cat Lady
11/01/14 10:25 pm

Nemacyst, fuck off. Seriously. I don't want to have the same demeaning argument a tenth time. You're on ignore, have been for a bit.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/02/14 7:59 am

This user is currently being ignored

aj1545 Cat Lady
11/02/14 12:25 pm

I don't know why you insist on following me around, I'm not going to engage you more.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/02/14 3:49 pm

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Brrrrrrrrr
11/01/14 9:25 pm

Not an indication of indoctrination, it's an indication of probable indoctrination. I too, attended a liberal university full of America-hating, capitalism-bashing, God-loathing liberals. Their efforts failed to indoctrinate me.

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iBakes California
11/01/14 9:48 pm

Sometimes I wonder if people confuse conflicting opinions with attempted indoctrination.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/01/14 10:40 pm

It's fairly easy to distinguish. Indoctrinators start squirming when confronted with what they've said.

Indoctrinator: only idiots can believe in virgin births.
Student: so you're saying Christians are idiots?
Indoctrination: No
Student: wut!

Brrrrrrrrr
11/01/14 10:41 pm

Difference in opinion:
Opiner: the laffer curve is nonsense
Student: so you're saying the intuition that tax revenue will start falling after a certain tax rate has been exceeded, is incorrect?
Opiner: yes.
Student: interesting!

iBakes California
11/01/14 10:42 pm

I think you're just paranoid.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/01/14 10:46 pm

Another way to spot indoctrination is when everyone at an institution magically happens to have almost the exact same opinions.

iBakes California
11/01/14 10:48 pm

You must not spend much time at universities if you think everyone at them shares the exact same opinions on everything.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/02/14 1:50 am

"Almost the exact"

iBakes California
11/02/14 8:51 am

You must not spend much time at universities if you think everyone at them shares almost the exact same opinions on everything.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/02/14 8:40 pm

You don't have to spend any time at any university to find out such things, you just have to look at various studies and polls. here are a few for you to ponder so that you can stop being a denialist.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/02/14 8:43 pm

insidehighered.com/news/2012/10/24/survey-finds-professors-already-liberal-have-moved-further-left
washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8427-2005Mar28.html
opensecrets.org/news/2010/09/politically-active-professors-dont/

Brrrrrrrrr
11/02/14 8:47 pm

www.campusreform.org/?ID=4511

the term 'university' itself sounds like the polar opposite of diversity.

iBakes California
11/02/14 9:02 pm

Your "evidence" is a survey showing professors are liberal? Um, duh? Those with more education tend to be more liberal. A lot of different ideas an opinions exist under the umbrella of being a liberal.

iBakes California
11/02/14 9:03 pm

Maybe your obvious confusion stems from believing all liberals believe the exact same things.

iBakes California
11/02/14 9:04 pm

I won't even start on your university is the opposite of diversity thing. With that logic, all conservatives are con men!

iBakes California
11/02/14 9:07 pm

Donations to a specific politician in a two person race isn't indication of possessing the exact same opinions either. You need to practice some critical thinking skills.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/02/14 9:15 pm

Not "a survey", 3 studies and a poll.
All you need to do it to look at the senate voting habits of liberals to discover that liberalism is not an umbrella under which many opinions reside. Liberals are observably intolerant of dissenting opinions.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/02/14 9:15 pm

And the question is not whether those more educated are more likely to be liberal, it is whether professors are more likely to be liberals. How quickly you lose sigh of topic when you realize your denialism doesn't work!

Brrrrrrrrr
11/02/14 9:19 pm

"possessing the exact same opinions"
This is the second time that you've replaced 'almost exact same' with 'exact same'.
If you find your self repeatedly misrepresenting what your interlocutors , that ought to tell you something about your ability

Brrrrrrrrr
11/02/14 9:20 pm

to refute what they actually said. Your problem is that I think before I type.

iBakes California
11/02/14 9:28 pm

LOOOOOOOL you don't even know what the poll question is. This is hilarious.

iBakes California
11/02/14 9:29 pm

Professors donating to a Democrat or getting more liberal doesn't have anything to do with the poll question, it also doesn't have anything to do with all people at universities having "almost" the exact same opinions on everything.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/02/14 9:36 pm

It absolutely does. When the question includes Ivy League universities, 96% of their money going to 0bama absolutely is relevant.
And if you exercise some logic, you'll realize that is doesn't even matter if liberalism is an umbrella under which many

Brrrrrrrrr
11/02/14 9:37 pm

Opinions reside. However much they vary, they are still liberal ideas. Professors could indoctrinate their students with these 'varying ideas' and still be turning them into liberals.

iBakes California
11/02/14 9:43 pm

Your paranoia is clouding your judgment, reading comprehension and ability to use sound logic.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/02/14 9:52 pm

Yes, because the first time you attempted to dismiss me as paranoid it worked out so well for you!
If not for mockery, denial, and dismissiveness, you have nothing.

iBakes California
11/02/14 9:57 pm

People who live in glasses houses shouldn't throw stones, sweetheart. But I do appreciate you providing further evidence my claim of your paranoia was correct! No one is trying to indoctrinate others, people just have a multitude of opinions.

iBakes California
11/02/14 9:58 pm

A challenge to your views isn't indoctrination. A challenge to weak views/minds does invoke some indoctrination fear-mongering, though.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/02/14 10:12 pm

Clearly your mind is the weaker one here. I've backed up what I've said with facts and reason. You've provided nothing more than armchair rhetoric.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/02/14 11:03 pm

And what do you think happens to weak minds when they go to institutions where more than 90% of the professors are liberals? You see, in order to indoctrinate, one doesn't have to Intend to do so, he just has to opine to a weak mind.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/02/14 11:04 pm

So thanks for bringing up weak minds, you've assisted me in making my point.

iBakes California
11/02/14 11:13 pm

You haven't provided a single relevant fact.

And, moot point; weak minds wouldn't be accepted to these prestigious schools to begin with, they're too busy fear-mongering fueled by feeling threatened and/or inferior. ;)

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 12:05 am

You're wrong again. Admissions at such institutions don't require independent, critically thinking, strong minds. they require extra curricular activities and good grades, the results of diligence. When you don't have those, race helps. Ask 0bama.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 12:09 am

I've provided 2 links for you to learn about the admission process of 2 such institutions so that you can come back and tell us that I haven't provided any relevant facts, that black s white, that wet is dry, and that up is down.

iBakes California
11/03/14 7:35 am

Let me help you out. I'll speak slowly for you. First, you don't even make it to the application process with a weak mind. Second, an opinion piece, lol, nice try.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 8:36 am

Your attempts to disqualify everything which destroys the narrative you're trying to peddle does not impress.
One is written by an individual who served on an admission committee, and the other is written based on information from such a person.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 8:40 am

And all it takes is one weak minded graduate from these institutions to prove that a strong mind is not a requirement for admission or graduation. You are defending a ludicrously untenable position.

iBakes California
11/03/14 8:59 am

By your source logic, my opinion on this subject would reign supreme.

Your conservative indoctrination is showing ;) & you've yet to even come close to proving your original point, let alone any other rhetoric. Better luck next time.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 9:51 am

Got it.
"No weak minded person has been admitted to an Ivy League institution" - armchair pundit iBakes.

Of course, if you disagree you're more than welcome lone to clarify your position.

iBakes California
11/03/14 11:07 am

May I suggest you attempt to improve then further refine your reading comprehension skills. Though I do appreciate you continuously helping prove my original comment in this thread as correct!

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 11:20 am

Didn't think so. You will hereafter be known as the armchair pundit who didn't see fit to clarify his position after it had been characterized as "No weak minded person has been admitted to an Ivy League institution".

iBakes California
11/03/14 11:23 am

If you had any sort of reading comprehension you would have understood my statement to begin with and you wouldn't be confused to the point of sticking your head up your ass.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 11:54 am

As a result of your new reputation, I don't even feel the need to pretend to take you seriously anymore.

iBakes California
11/03/14 12:00 pm

Still waiting for you to back up your original comment while you're blabbering on about consequences of your cognitive deficiency. I'm patient, don't worry, I'll wait for you to find sources or evidence.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 12:20 pm

Dismissed due to poor reputation. Don't be shocked when people ignore you after you declined to clarify when your position had been characterized as 'no weak minded person has been admitted to an Ivy League institution'.

iBakes California
11/03/14 12:35 pm

"Wah, I don't want to prove my original comments because I don't have any facts to use as evidence so I will just try (and fail) to discredit the person questioning me. Wah!!" - You

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 12:46 pm

True fact: didn't even read whole comment.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 12:49 pm

If, for whatever reason, you feel the need to be taken seriously by me in the future, you know what needs to be done. Getting rid of a reputation is harder than earning it, but it can be done. You have to power to fix it!

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 12:51 pm

*getting rid of a poor reputation

iBakes California
11/03/14 12:52 pm

I'm not too concerned about what a paranoid & whiny person who can't back up emotional claims with evidence thinks of me, tbh. Feel free to not take me seriously, it's doubtful you would have anyway since you seem quite afraid of opposing views.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 1:08 pm

Didn't sound like an attempt to fix poor reputation. Therefore, didn't read whole comment. - true fact.

iBakes California
11/03/14 1:22 pm

You seem like one of those "skim, never read, head up ass" unable to handle entireties so I'm not surprised in the slightest you're unwilling to read an entire comment from someone who holds an opposing view. It's expected from you!

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 1:26 pm

FYI, if you're not comfortable attempting to salvage your reputation in public, you can do it via PM. I have now followed you on SOH now in order to enable PMs. The ball is in your court.

iBakes California
11/03/14 1:37 pm

My reputation is just fine, sweetheart. I'm not concerned with what a person who is too lazy to read comments & lacks ability to make claims based on facts rather than paranoia & emotion thinks of me. Sorry to burst your importance bubble!

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 2:05 pm

"My reputation is just fine, sweetheart" - armchair pundit who thinks no weak minded person has been admitted to an Ivy League institution.

iBakes California
11/03/14 2:52 pm

Still waiting for you to develop the ability to provide evidence to back up your claims.

Zzzzzzzzzzz

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 4:30 pm

Funny thing is, I actually did fall asleep.
'Still waiting for evidence blahblah...something" - armchair pundit who claimed data showing professors' political donating patterns didn't matter to a question about political indoctrination at campuses.

iBakes California
11/03/14 6:26 pm

You think donating to a political campaign means that professors are teaching the politics and trying to indoctrinate people? Lol. There's that display of zero critical thinking again.

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 7:11 pm

Didn't read bother reading. Chances you were wrong virtually 100%
PMs still open in case you'd like to regain some of your lost credibility.

iBakes California
11/03/14 7:44 pm

I have no desire to message your lazy & paranoid self. In fact, I'll just put you on ignore so I l'm not made aware of your asinine comments. Enjoy being threatened by people with greater educational & intellectual achievements than yourself! Bye!

Brrrrrrrrr
11/03/14 8:09 pm

"I was offered multiple opportunities and venues to clarify my position. I declined every one. Now I'm choosing to protect myself from my tormentor by blocking him on the interweb. But you're the one who feels threatened."- Armchair pundit iBakes.

jvc1133 61535
11/01/14 9:23 pm

Darn tootin snobs

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RoDe Latinus wordsus
11/01/14 9:13 pm

I think being considered part of that group of people should be an insult.

Rosebud Ohio
11/01/14 9:12 pm

I've attended a private conservative college, a private college, and a community college. Ha... no. Only slant was from the conservative one, though it did provide fantastic core classes and many events.

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
11/01/14 8:11 pm

Why would anyone care where you went to college, or even if, for that matter?

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
11/01/14 6:50 pm

This user is currently being ignored

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Mattwall1
11/01/14 6:57 pm

Would to be willing to explain a bit further?

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
11/01/14 8:04 pm

Chemical engineering or gender studies.

Mattwall1
11/01/14 8:06 pm

I'm not quite sure what your issue with chemical engineering is....

Mattwall1
11/01/14 8:07 pm

And while I couldn't call a degree in Gender Studies a great move,
I'm not sure it qualifies as indoctrination...

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
11/01/14 8:08 pm

A degree in the former means something; a degree in the latter is viewed as "indoctrination" by many.

Doopy Remedial Americanism
11/01/14 8:08 pm

He means "versus" rather than "or".

How would you define "indoctrination"?

Mattwall1
11/01/14 8:12 pm

To imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle and distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned.

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
11/01/14 8:17 pm

I.e., gender studies.

Mattwall1
11/01/14 8:17 pm

How exactly does gender studies do that?

iBakes California
11/01/14 8:17 pm

Have you ever taken a gender studies course at a university?

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
11/01/14 8:21 pm

It imbues sectarian views.

iBakes: I stopped arguing with you below because you didn't want to argue facts. You just wanted to call my comments lies.

iBakes California
11/01/14 8:25 pm

I was posting facts and telling you that your comment was both incomplete logic and irrelevant to the poll question. You stopped arguing because you were shown to be incorrect.

iBakes California
11/01/14 8:26 pm

Again, have you ever taken a gender studies course at a university?

Doopy Remedial Americanism
11/01/14 8:30 pm

I'll be the first to volunteer that I did not waste Ivy League tuition on gender studies classes. Am I now somehow disqualified?

iBakes California
11/01/14 8:33 pm

No one is disqualified from voicing an opinion. I'm just trying to figure out the experience of people I'm speaking with. You were at an Ivy?

Mattwall1
11/01/14 8:55 pm

Arkansas-how does it imbue sectarian views?

Doopy Remedial Americanism
11/01/14 9:13 pm

No, I wasn't. I didn't mean to imply I had attended an Ivy League school, only that I wouldn't spend that kind of money on a class with little to no professional application.

iBakes California
11/01/14 9:16 pm

Thanks for the clarification.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/01/14 6:35 pm

The "prestigious schools" are the most likely to be staffed by hardcore liberals, many of whom are atheists and venomous haters of Christianity, without which schools like Harvard would never have been founded. And many of their professors hate

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/01/14 6:41 pm

America and will grade down or fail papers which support our nation's founders and founding documents. The liberal bias and indoctrination are well known. The question is, how long will we allow it to continue? It's time for a boycott.

iBakes California
11/01/14 6:49 pm

John Harvard was a minister, and the court that approved the money to fund his request educational institution are known for Judeo-Christian social sanctions. (E.g. No kissing, no sleeping during church, no playing cards, no activity on the Sabbath)

iBakes California
11/01/14 6:50 pm

"And many of their professors hate America and will grade down or fail papers which support our nation's founders and founding documents."

Source?

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/01/14 9:47 pm

I've seen multiple internet reports of this over the last 10 years or so. I can't remember any of the sources right now. Guess I'm getting old. I would try to dig them up for you, but as you recall, my eyes are bad. It shouldn't be hard to Google. :)

iBakes California
11/01/14 9:55 pm

I Googled around 10 different word combinations to search this subject. This is the only thing I found (an awful paper using poor writing skills, poor grammar, and didn't even answer the prompt) which was rightfully given an F.

iBakes California
11/01/14 9:57 pm

An explanation was given here, along with a breakdown of the lackluster & mediocre at best paper: www.outsidethebeltway.com/california_professor_flunks_kuwaitis_pro-us_essay_-_the_washington_times_nationpolitics_-_january_16_2005/

firefly5 the verse
11/02/14 5:32 am

a person's personal beliefs neither accredit nor discredit him/her as an educator. one may believe a great many things, and still be able to present the most objective views known. as science cannot be proven, I won't say these views are correct, but

firefly5 the verse
11/02/14 5:34 am

they are the best explanations we currently have that are consistent with evidence.

firefly5 the verse
11/02/14 5:38 am

in my experience, professors of science do tend to be less republican, but this may be due to the insistence in some circles that one cannot accept science if one accepts religion.

firefly5 the verse
11/02/14 5:41 am

the pope (who I'm liking more every time he speaks, honestly) has even started that he does not view science and religion as incompatible. maybe this will shake things up a bit, though I suspect that it's more likely to result in pope-bashing.

firefly5 the verse
11/02/14 5:44 am

but perhaps the biggest reason that university instructors and the more educated are less republican, is the party's insistence on making cuts to education, while offering tax breaks to those who need them the least. it's frustrating.

sojourner present
11/02/14 6:00 am

Tlaney, I object to your premise that liberals hate America and sincerely wish you would stop spreading mistruths. Liberals may have different opinions than you on policy, different interpretations on historical events, but they don't hate the U.S.

sojourner present
11/02/14 6:02 am

Liberals want what's best for our country and its people. You just disagree with them on what that is. Argue about policy and interpretation, fine. But please don't try to skew someone else's motivation or insult them just because you disagree.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 6:22 am

Soj, of course ALL liberals don't hate America. But many liberal college professors do. I'm glad you don't.

sojourner present
11/02/14 7:17 am

Tlaney, that's an unsupported supposition.Disagreeing with policy,interpretation or even values is not hating America. Unless you can point to a group of profs saying "we hate America" your assertion is pure fiction.It adds nothing to any discussion.

firefly5 the verse
11/02/14 7:29 am

it's true. by that same logic, everyone hates America.

iBakes California
11/02/14 8:50 am

tlaney, it's time for you to provide some sources for your claim that so many liberal professors hate America, and that students are given failing grades for writing pro-America papers.

Mattwall1
11/02/14 6:58 pm

Tom, without proof from a legitimate source, this is nothing but bullcrap. I could expect shit like this from a troll, but I thought you had integrity..,

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 10:47 pm

Look, you two, you know very well I'm not equipped to do this kind of research anymore. My vision won't permit it. That doesn't change the fact that I have seen reports of this occurring. If you two were open-minded enough to have watched the recent

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 10:53 pm

excellent documentary film by Dinesh D'Souza, entitled "America," which I hear is currently the #1 DVD on amazon.com, you would hear some of that proof in direct interviews with anti-American professors and others. But you won't accept it or even

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/02/14 10:57 pm

watch it, because D'Souza is on your enemies list.
But it's the best I can offer you right now. Take it or leave it.

firefly5 the verse
11/02/14 11:02 pm

I don't think anyone is denying that there are anti-American professors out there, as you are not claiming that all liberals hate America. but are we to presume that these interviews constitute a representative sample?

iBakes California
11/02/14 11:06 pm

What advantage do you gain from being firmly presumptuous about anybody's willingness to watch something?

iBakes California
11/02/14 11:08 pm

How is a documentary with a few interviews proof that most professors at prestigious schools hate America, as you claim?

Mattwall1
11/02/14 11:10 pm

Enemies list? Tom... Seriously. We aren't america hating baby eating demons. We're people that have a disagreement and questions regarding your claims...

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/03/14 12:21 am

Bakes, I believe I said many, not most. At least I hope I didn't say most, because That's undoubtedly difficult to defend. I'm sorry I presumed you wouldn't watch the documentary. Please let me know what you think when you've seen it.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/03/14 12:28 am

Matt, I'm not demonizing you. But liberals tend to consider certain conservatives untrustworthy sources, to say the least. And when D'Souza made the excellent (and tremendously popular) anti-Obama documentary "2016" before the 2012 election, he

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/03/14 12:34 am

certainly made it to the top of some sort of theoretical liberal "enemies list." That's what I meant. Maybe you've never even heard of the guy, but if you supported Obama two years ago, you've heard of that film, and probably think less of the guy

sojourner present
11/03/14 4:29 am

Tom, documentaries like this one, and Michael Moores, are created to enflame and make money. Most of the claims made by D'Souza have been thoroughly debunked. Here's one of many links www.businessinsider.com/obamas-america-2016-2012-9

sojourner present
11/03/14 4:31 am

I can get you a whole bunch more. This film/book is in the same category as that zeitgeist one that promotes 9/11 was an inside job. Please don't fall prey to these types of charlatans. They aren't out to educate, they're out to make $

iBakes California
11/03/14 7:31 am

How is a documentary with a few interviews proof that most (or many or whatever word you would like to use that indicates a large portion) professors at prestigious schools hate America, as you claim?

Mattwall1
11/03/14 7:32 am

I know exactly who you're talking about, but enemies list implies something much kore sinister than "I don't think he's a great source"

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/03/14 11:26 am

Bakes, I didn't say it was legitimate conclusive proof. I just said it's the best I can do in my current position, since I can't ask you to just trust my memories of many stories and reports by different news sources over recent years.

iBakes California
11/03/14 11:29 am

So you don't have any evidence to back up your original comments? Got it. You could have just said that & saved both of us time.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/03/14 11:29 am

Matt, sorry. The choice of phrase meant something more to you than was intended, and that's my fault.

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
11/03/14 11:34 am

I said there is genuine documented evidence in the film (and companion book). Extensive documentation in the book. You implied you're willing to check it out. Ball's in your court.

iBakes California
11/03/14 11:51 am

Nothing about the film seems able to prove your original two comments in this thread.

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
11/01/14 5:44 pm

I've never seen the claim that Republicans are "anti-intellectualist" as a valid one given that Republicans more often have college degrees than Democrats.

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iBakes California
11/01/14 5:51 pm

You can spin statistics anyway you want. Another way to use the same information: the higher the degree, the more liberal you tend to be. 60% of people who have graduate degrees identify as an Independent or Democrat.

iBakes California
11/01/14 5:53 pm

Another 25% say they're only "near Repubican" or "not a strong Republican." Another 2% isn't affiliated. You don't even have 15% of people with graduate degrees identifying as a strong Republican.

iBakes California
11/01/14 5:55 pm

(Data from GSS, over 2000 respondents.)

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
11/01/14 6:03 pm

Republicans don't get research degrees. So what?

iBakes California
11/01/14 6:06 pm

I'm making the point that the latter half of your comment isn't support of the former half of your comment. (At least what I assume you meant by the latter half, as I believe you're missing a word or two because it doesn't actually make sense.)

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
11/01/14 6:08 pm

This question insinuates that Republicans are anti-college, which is fairly ridiculous given that more Republicans are college graduates.

iBakes California
11/01/14 6:09 pm

Saying Republicans more frequently have college degrees compared to Democrats is a partial story at best, and doesn't have anything to do with attitudes towards the most prestigious schools in the world.

iBakes California
11/01/14 6:09 pm

More Republicans have college degrees, and more college degree holders are Democrats. See the problem with your incomplete statement?

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
11/01/14 6:12 pm

Huh? In most years, a plurality of college graduates identify as Republicans.

iBakes California
11/01/14 6:15 pm

What are you confused about?

iBakes California
11/01/14 6:15 pm

(Other than the fact your most recent comment says something not only untrue, but also different than your first comment.)

FemmeAdamWest in the Tardis library
11/01/14 10:21 pm

I don't see why you even brought that up since he didn't say that or bring up republicans in the question. Maybe in general republicans get more degrees than democrats, I don't know the statistics on that but on SOH more republicans down talk

FemmeAdamWest in the Tardis library
11/01/14 10:21 pm

Ivy League schools than democrats.

BusinessJustin Tamriel
11/01/14 5:39 pm

Some people think any education makes you a liberal. I legit had somebody use "You must have gone to college!" as an insult against me. I was like "wut?"

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cpaswr just say the letters
11/01/14 8:12 pm

You already know that a .com is a better source of info than being a PhD candidate. :)

BusinessJustin Tamriel
11/01/14 8:30 pm

Haha, of course! I don't claim to be a miraculously accurate source of information, but I've certainly taken time to read through most sides to an argument and for a semi-rational opinion. My wife and I were just discussing that earlier and were

BusinessJustin Tamriel
11/01/14 8:32 pm

reflecting on our previous election experiences, back during a time when we voted based on what others told us and how we never really thought for ourselves. College has been great at really helping me think more critically of things.

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
11/01/14 5:16 pm

That's a small, loud and highly ironic group of people who would say something like that.

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Mattwall1
11/01/14 4:37 pm

I'd state my opinion but I'm committed to attending a public Ivy. Obviously I'm in pre brainwashing stage

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Cole12 ...
11/01/14 4:17 pm

Haha. Of course not.

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droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 4:02 pm

I won't explicitly state my opinion because, as I currently attend a UC, my opinion is of no relevance due to the fact that it is not my opinion but rather, the opinion of some Marxist, atheist professor with a lousy PhD from some commie institution.

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droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 4:06 pm

I should've gone to Liberty :-'(

iBakes California
11/01/14 4:13 pm

Yikes. Please don't waste money at Liberty.

droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 4:18 pm

But their website says they've been "training Champions for Christ since 1971", and my school's website is just filled with stupid stuff like a picture of one of our Physics professors who just won the 2014 Nobel Prize, and a Biomedical scientist

droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 4:19 pm

here who just received a $3.5 million grant to study Sepsis, and not the real threat of Ebola. :-/

iBakes California
11/01/14 4:20 pm

The only science you need is the love of Jesus. The only research you need is bible study.

droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 4:21 pm

God bless.

lip massholevania
11/01/14 9:28 pm

Obummer won the Nobel, it doesn't mean anything evidently.

iBakes California
11/01/14 9:47 pm

President Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize. Dr. Nakamura won the Nobel Prize is physics. Two different things, bud.

droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 9:47 pm

Don't speak too fast, Mel, he can't keep up.

lip massholevania
11/01/14 9:51 pm

Like I stated, pompous a$$hats. Don't worry though we are the ones That guard you when you sleep. Don't be that guy with the rubber band drooski, amusing as it would be.

droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 9:52 pm

"we are the ones that guard you when you sleep"

Wow thanks for the protection... but I didn't invite you in my room.

lip massholevania
11/01/14 9:54 pm

Lols, just never talk about it.

droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 9:56 pm

If that's what it takes to protect my siblings in the other room, sure Uncle Hector

lip massholevania
11/01/14 9:58 pm

Umm, outing something? Mean old relative touch you?

lip massholevania
11/01/14 9:59 pm

You make soap?

iBakes California
11/01/14 9:59 pm

Pompous asshats because...why? They have a more lengthy and comprehensive education than you?

lip massholevania
11/01/14 10:00 pm

No, usually it's less. But keep trying I fakes

iBakes California
11/01/14 10:02 pm

Oh, really? What do you have your doctorate in? Or perhaps you went the law route? What type of law do you practice? Maybe medicine? Surgeon?

droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 10:02 pm

Don't see a doctor if you expect them to have qualifications from a good, moral, conservative Christian university.

droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 10:04 pm

Also, most of the engineers who programmed your Gmail and designed your iPhone are pretty damn stupid according to your standards.

lip massholevania
11/01/14 10:05 pm

Engineering, though at one time I spent years putting folks in prison. Occasionally I still do.

iBakes California
11/01/14 10:09 pm

Ph.D. in engineering? What engineering field?

lip massholevania
11/01/14 10:11 pm

Who said PhDs

droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 10:11 pm

"What do you have your doctorate in?..."

"Engineering,..."

lip massholevania
11/01/14 10:13 pm

Mechanical, I deal with the really real world. I fakes?

iBakes California
11/01/14 10:15 pm

So when you answered "no, usually less" that was just a flat out lie? Got it!

droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 10:16 pm

Okay, so what exactly is your argument? Do you believe a Biochemistry or a Mechanical Engineering degree from a liberal institution like Berkeley is worthless? Or do you mean only a degree based partly on opinion, such as a humanities degree?

lip massholevania
11/01/14 10:17 pm

Lying to libiots is condoned.

droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 3:57 pm

Also, the ringleader of this anti-intellectual circle-jerk uses the adjective "college-educated" as an insult, and places it before the name of someone with a degree or who is working on a degree, as an insult.

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iBakes California
11/01/14 4:00 pm

Sounds like that person is bitter and/or threatened. Maybe a little insecure about his or her own education/intelligence, or lack thereof.

WildRice With a side of sass
11/01/14 4:00 pm

Haha I wonder who you could be talking about!

iBakes California
11/01/14 4:02 pm

I don't even know who this is about, and sadly enough there are enough people who come to mind that I can't even make a safe guess haha

droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 4:03 pm

iBakes- I do think he's rather insecure about his intellect, or lack thereof. He routinely diagnoses those who disagree with him with mental illnesses. And on top of that, he does this.

pomba- Take a guess ;-)

firefly5 the verse
11/01/14 4:08 pm

it makes sense, though. education is detrimental to his cause.

WildRice With a side of sass
11/01/14 4:09 pm

From his poll earlier today about the kids handing out candy and his argument is always being demented or mentally challenged. Which repeating the same thing and in all caps does not make ones argument more valid

droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 4:10 pm

Ssshhhhhhhhhh I don't like calling people out on my polls like that- you know me......









......but yeah, cowboy's a fucking dumbass.

firefly5 the verse
11/01/14 4:10 pm

or hers. you could be talking about someone else who has never had a comment without an immediate like.

WildRice With a side of sass
11/01/14 4:12 pm

Well with my commie education I was just drawing my own conclusions... They prolly are way off and demented

firefly5 the verse
11/01/14 4:12 pm

what are you doing? have you forgotten your place? seen and not heard, woman.

droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 4:13 pm

Probably. You should see a psychiatrist for your mental disorder.

WildRice With a side of sass
11/01/14 4:15 pm

Ah, sorry my lord. Must've gotten lost when I wandered out of the kitchen

iBakes California
11/01/14 4:16 pm

Psychiatrists are obviously indoctrinators. The logical next step would be to take all the deranged out back & shoot 'em. MERICA!!!!

firefly5 the verse
11/01/14 4:17 pm

I've got nothing. bravo.

droo Santa Barbara
11/01/14 4:20 pm

Shoot 'em in the name of God and Freedom.

kscott516 Masks fail
11/01/14 11:45 pm

Interesting. The only circle-jerk I'm seeing here is among the liberal crowd. You all must be so proud.

firefly5 the verse
11/02/14 5:25 am

kscott, nice to see you. you'll have to pardon our collective venting regarding some if the less reputable of your crew.

how do you feel about education?