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Axl752 October 29th, 2014 7:28pm

Do you think it is possible that we could be living in a simulation? This paper makes some interesting points if you care to read it....

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pietsch Another Adoring Fan
10/29/14 9:14 pm

Yes it's possible. We are, after all, souls with bodies... Souls have no mass and neither does software. (i.e. A program on a CD weighs the same as an empty one -- your body weighs the same with and without your soul (or dead or alive))

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Axl752 NY
10/29/14 9:19 pm

Interesting perspective

dogsaver new Jersey
10/29/14 8:49 pm

Matrix here we come!

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Halfrikaan
10/29/14 8:47 pm

Fun to think about, but I think it's completely impossible

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Axl752 NY
10/29/14 8:56 pm

Why completely impossible?

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 8:56 pm

We know so little about the universe...

Halfrikaan
10/29/14 9:03 pm

Just the way I think, I guess. It'd have to be a damn good simulation if we can feel all the possible feelings, think all the possible thoughts, do all the possible things. I mean, my brain is annoyed from just thinking about it....

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 9:04 pm

But how would you even know what real life felt like to compare it to?

Halfrikaan
10/29/14 9:09 pm

Okay don't let me finish... jk. I just dont question it. This is real life. If we never thought what a simulation is, how could we have even thought we were in one? How are we thinking what we are thinking? Everyone has their own individual thought..

Halfrikaan
10/29/14 9:11 pm

I don't why I keep bringing thoughts up, but it's way too late for me, I gotta get to bed. My brain has had enough.

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 9:28 pm

Of course this feels like real life because it's all you've ever known.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/29/14 8:18 pm

Sure, possible, in the same way that "anything is possible", but no more probable than any other speculative scenario without any evidence to support it.

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Axl752 NY
10/29/14 9:01 pm

There is no direct evidence, but the reasoning in the article is pretty interesting.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/29/14 9:37 pm

It is interesting, but it makes three propositions, doesn't make an argument for any of them, and doesn't make an argument for why at least one of them must be true. I got to the end thinking: What is this guy talking about?

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 9:42 pm

But if you think about it one of those scenarios has to be true. Humans will go extinct before reaching a post - human stage, post humans are unlikely to run ancestor simulations, we are living in an ancestor simulation. If humans advance to the

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 9:44 pm

post human stage and are able to create ancestor simulations. ..based on human nature they would, and they would create a very large number of them. If that is true then chances are we are living in one of those simulations, just based on odds.

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 9:46 pm

So if that is not true then chances are humans will go extinct before that point. It took me a while to wrap my brain around the concept, but it sort of makes sense.

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 9:48 pm

If we had the capability to create a simulated universe, don't you think we would, and don't you think we would run an enormous amount of simulations with different parameters etc?

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 9:56 pm

Then the simulated universes will start popping out an infinite number of simulated universes of their own, and it would be infinite fractal simulated universes.

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 10:00 pm

If each simulated life in each of the infinite fractal simulations is self aware then it is all but guaranteed we are in a simulation.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/29/14 10:01 pm

I don't think any of those necessarily has to be true, but the more likely one seems that we would go extinct as each of our ancestor species has done. Even if not, there is no reason to think out fascination with computer simulations would continue.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/29/14 10:01 pm

And even if both of those things happened, there would be no reason to imagine that they have happened, and that this is the simulation, as opposed to being something that might happen (probably not), and we are the initial reality.

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 10:06 pm

We could be the initial reality. But if we do reach the stage of creating these advanced simulations, then the chances of that are less than selecting the correct grain of sand out of all of the sand grains on earth.

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 10:10 pm

Not necessarily computer simulations, whatever technology we had advanced to at that point. Human nature just tells me we would continue to experiment and we would run ancestor simulations if we could to learn more about ourselves.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/29/14 10:11 pm

It's feels like a variation of the argument about whether we actually exist. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter, because it seems real enough.

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 10:15 pm

That is true, and I guess thats all that matters really.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/29/14 10:16 pm

The human nature argument presumes we would evolve to a post-human stage, but that our human nature would remain static. Whatever the technology, I don't think we'd be running simulations of our past, there would be no incentive to.

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 10:22 pm

I would think there would be incentive to run simulations of our past and introduce different parameters into each one, basically to learn about ourselves and our past so we could use that information to help us advance into the future.

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 10:23 pm

To see what works and what doesn't etc...

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 10:32 pm

I mean if we suddenly discovered the ability right now to run a simulated universe, don't you think we would?

Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/29/14 10:32 pm

We'd already be well into the future, and assuming we aren't in that simulation now, we'd already know all of recorded history. And, since we can't change the past, there would be no good reason to model it beyond what would already be known.

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 10:41 pm

Perhaps that is true. All I know is my brain is hurting and I have to get up early tomorrow. Thanks for entertaining these crazy ideas with me.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/29/14 10:42 pm

I think we would if we could, but in a simulation of the universe, all of human history and all of human future wouldn't even be included unless the resolution was incredibly fine - far finer than it would need to be for any imaginable purpose.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/29/14 10:42 pm

It would be like running a wind tunnel simulation on a new aircraft design and being concerned with the behavior of a single molecule of nitrogen in the air. On a scale as big as the universe, all of humanity and human existence is insignificant.

Axl752 NY
10/29/14 10:50 pm

That is a good point. But who knows how far our technology would have advanced by that point. It is unthinkable now, but maybe it wouldn't be in a few thousand or even millions of years from now.

EarlyBird Portland
10/29/14 7:25 pm

Oh man, if it is, let us know!!

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
10/29/14 5:11 pm

Possible yes, but there are too many imponderables to try calculate the likelihood, it's a bit like with the Drake equation. We simply don't know how likely it is our civilization reaches the stage to be able to run an ancestor simulation.

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firefly5 the verse
10/29/14 4:54 pm

I've wondered this a lot.

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jvc1133 61535
10/29/14 2:11 pm

I think my life is a figment of my imagination

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drunk ill be Bach
10/29/14 12:34 pm

I've chewed on that idea in the past, but my ultimate conclusion came to "nah".

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