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Rotavele October 29th, 2014 2:47pm

Corporations and businesses do not create jobs. People who buy from the corporations and give them their money are the reasons jobs are created in corporations and businesses.

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Krystina Let Freedom Reign
10/30/14 8:31 pm

Disagree. It's a two way street. You need the individual/entrepreneur whose willing to take the risk of opening a business in the 1st place. S/he needs to offer a product or service buyers want/need then they have to buy it for the business to grow.

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/30/14 7:31 am

Lol Ok Hillary...

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gamerguy217
10/29/14 8:59 pm

Corporations create jobs because of demand. Demand doesn't create jobs.

ThePhlegm The Lone Star State
10/29/14 7:54 pm

What you're saying is: a business with zero employees has a product and customers that then the business hires employees to help.

I think that is putting the cart before the horse .... Literally

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/29/14 7:20 pm

I think this might be false. Most businesses, at least here in America, seem to hire every available employee regardless of the cost and maximize production regardless of demand, working on the concept of "If you build it, they will buy."

duey in a fools paradise
10/29/14 6:39 pm

www.cnn.com/2014/10/27/politics/hillary-clinton-job-creation/index.html
Your hero, idol is already back peddling. Weren't you raised by a village?

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jamichl Seattle
10/29/14 5:21 pm

So people with jobs create jobs? Business still has to be willing front the money ( invest).

commonsense America isnt racist
10/29/14 3:37 pm

A business opens , hires basic staff and followed by customers. The more the products are purchased the more people are hired. So I'd say a little of both. But to flat out say business does not create jobs is a very ignorant statement.

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Rotavele Alabama
10/29/14 3:48 pm

But if it weren't for the middle class buying, they wouldn't hire to make/sell. There's no business out there without customers.

skinner Jersey City
10/29/14 2:46 pm

While I concur that there would be no enterprise without consumers I will say that businesses most certainly create jobs. Demand can exist for a product or service that has little to no supply. Really the relation for jobs is mutualistic.

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Rotavele Alabama
10/29/14 3:49 pm

Demand as in customer demand?

skinner Jersey City
10/29/14 4:31 pm

Yes, I'm referring to consumer demand

Rotavele Alabama
10/29/14 4:50 pm

Demand can exist but if there's no supply then there's no business?

skinner Jersey City
10/29/14 4:56 pm

Yes. It's possible for markets to exist and go unexploited by many or any businesses. More likely the former. If there is little competition then there are less jobs available because there will be less centers of production necessary.

skinner Jersey City
10/29/14 4:59 pm

But what you brought up is also true. For example consider a model market for an Ebola vaccine. People are scared about the possibility of catching Ebola so there is a high demand for that product, however there is no vaccine currently available to

Rotavele Alabama
10/29/14 5:00 pm

But it still creates jobs.

Rotavele Alabama
10/29/14 5:00 pm

Yes but it's employed thousands of scientists working on it.

skinner Jersey City
10/29/14 5:02 pm

the general public. Of course once this product is produced the supply curve will be created and we will see high demand, high prices, and increasing quantity. Big pharmaceutical companies will make a lot of money.

FarmerManE djent
10/29/14 10:47 am

The business fronts all the financial liability banking on people buying their product. Without the someone starting the business, the business doesn't exist to hire the jobs

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dxstap Bloomington, Indiana
10/29/14 10:47 am

I'm going to disagree because the argument is too narrow.
Commerce is much more complex than to say business/customers create jobs.
A product could be in great demand but if a business doesn't invest in resources (employees) then no product.

dxstap Bloomington, Indiana
10/29/14 10:49 am

Continuing, a business can hire employees & invest in a product but if there is insufficient demand everyone loses.

mrdudemanpants
10/29/14 10:37 am

If corporate most business leaders could, they would probably opt to not have any workers at all.

rons Thanks America
10/29/14 9:45 am

Think about opening a small business. Do you invest and work hard to set the business up first or get customers to pre-fund you investment?

rons Thanks America
10/29/14 9:43 am

What came first? The chicken or the egg?

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bluerum29 optimistic idealist
10/29/14 8:46 am

People buy things because the business created them and markets them. Good marketing will create a higher demand and as a result more jobs needed. Bad marketing can do the opposite

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Arananthi Literal Ninja
10/29/14 8:33 am

Businesses are a necessary, but not a sufficient, condition to create jobs. Customers, however, are both a necessary and sufficient condition to create jobs, because customers can and do buy services directly from other people w/o business involved.

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Arananthi Literal Ninja
10/29/14 8:37 am

Dammit, got that backwards. Businesses are neither necessary nor sufficient condition to create jobs. Jobs can exist without businesses, and jobs aren't created by businesses alone.

Arananthi Literal Ninja
10/29/14 8:40 am

Customers, however, are both. Jobs can exist with only customers, and customers can create jobs without any outside help. So it's pretty much absurd to say that businesses create jobs, and it's strongly iffy to say that it's even a cooperative thing.

Maj Worth Economist
10/29/14 8:45 am

This. Business will start where people are demanding something from others who can provide it, but customers won't start just because a business exists - they have to create customers.

voc I am...what I am
10/29/14 8:16 am

Dude, do you sleep?

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Rotavele Alabama
10/29/14 9:48 am

I sleep while posting on SoH

Rotavele Alabama
10/29/14 7:57 am

(Warning: Following link may be liberally biased. It has Hillary's statement followed by Conservative/Right Wing News Source's, then follows up with economist's statements backing up Hillary. Not really a fair rebuttal with Media vs Economists)

Maj Worth Economist
10/29/14 2:21 pm

I think this sketch from the Daily Show hits the mark: thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/6sn82w/sam-brownback-s-conservative-kansas-experiment . QotD: Just because we got a tax cut didn't mean we need to hire more people. We put that $ in our pocket.

Rotavele Alabama
10/29/14 2:34 pm

Oh my god. I was so happy because it proved me wrong at first "Yes we're republicans supporting the democrat" after j had said "Yeah but they'll probably defend him to the end"

Then brown back busts out that line... Omg.

knetzere Illinois
10/29/14 7:54 am

However if the business didn't offer those products or services then there would be no customers to exchange monies

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Rotavele Alabama
10/29/14 7:58 am

Yes but according to the theory that is the economic cycle. I can see it as the businesses create new needs for products. As in the new Oculus Rift. No one NEEDS that but they want it now.

Rotavele Alabama
10/29/14 7:59 am

By creating the product need (Demand) this therefore gets people to purchase it. The theory states the people purchasing it are responsible for creating more jobs by requiring more products to sell (Supply).

knetzere Illinois
10/29/14 8:00 am

The need is what drives a product. So customers create needs businesses seek to satisfy those needs at a price

Rotavele Alabama
10/29/14 8:02 am

And there you go! That's your perspective (And the right wing medias) and the theory says its customers not you.

They should explain right and left politics more like this then "Right wing says businesses make jobs, Hillary says it doesn't"

Rotavele Alabama
10/29/14 8:02 am

It's customers, Not businesses* sorry idk why I put "You" there.

knetzere Illinois
10/29/14 8:05 am

It is all a cycle I guess the question is where does it start.