Imagine how much better our country would be if people had the same passion and fury for ensuring access to doctors and psychologists as they have for ensuring access to weapons.
Definitely. And if society as a whole thought of mental illness as an actual illness instead of thinking the person is faking it, weak minded, or any of the other bull they come up with.
Who's at fault if you're sick, suppressed? What gives you the right to tell a doctor that he has to treat you for free even if you make poor health decisions?
Dear Stiletto, surely there are folks who DO have "the same passion and fury for ensuring access to doctors and psychologists", if they so desire. We ALL exercise freedom to pick our passions. As a Country, it doesn't get much better than that! :)
I don't think anyone is trying to prohibit the products and services provided by doctors and psychologists like the government is trying with firearms.
I'm just tired of all the contention. It gets old and is ultimately pointless. Nobody changes someone's beliefs or lifestyle by attacking them at every turn. It's a downer for the rest of us who have to wade through it just to have convo.
I also feel a sort of responsibility to help here because I've been a colossal ass on this app and this is my little way of helping make it a better place. You can always ignore my plea as I can't tell anybody what to do, and I totally respect
I haven't read the whole poll yet, but I'm willing I bet that SM is defensive because of the history of which I'm a part. Cornered creatures will bite. I've been at both sides of that. Let's call it a night already for this poll. :-)
I have always liked you and gotten along with you. I have seen you be kind and caring. Some people have really hurt you on this app, but it seems to me, Nema was trying to honestly debate. I was hoping you would debate back, in that spirit.
I have much love for EVERYones Right to express and represent. But right now, in this moment, YukonCornelius, I have deep respect for your effort and words here, and I stand with you. Thank you.
Cowboy, I'm not going to debate again, the difference between transgender and Body Dysmorphic Disorder. You will believe what you have decided to believe, regardless. But even if you were right, it wouldn't be relevant to how she comments in a poll.
Cowboy, your first fact is technically correct, but not relevant. There are many other documents, other than the Communist Manifesto, that reference health care. I disagree with your second "fact."
Nemacyst made a rational and detailed argument. SM didn't even try to address what was said. I too would call for peace if BOTH sides were attacking, but that wasn't the case. Stop excusing her bad behavior.
Reality must be difficult for you to acknowledge. Some people are just smarter and more accomplished than you will ever be. Many of them work for the UN. You should just get used to that :)
Exactly. If more people understood that the gov is the reason for our exorbitant medical costs, they might not be so hip on further gov involvement that leads to increased costs that leads to further gov involvement that leads to increased costs...
would be benevolent and that's incredibly false. If that were true, the Department of Labor would not exist to ensure people are paid a decent wage or that employers actually provide safe working conditions. You can't trust profiteers that way.
Private insurance is also a problem, but it's one that's exacerbated by gov regs. Adding bureaucratic layers to the process means increasing costs whether they be insurance co. bureaucracy or gov bureaucracy.
Insurance co. have huge employee expenses, marketing expenses, etc. It's a very large burden to hang on whoever is paying for it when it could be as simple as the health consumer paying directly. It was this way for everybody
before the insurance and gov programs came about. It used to be that doctors competed for business. Now the fees paid are uniform and set by the insurance company and are padded on both sides (insurance and doctor) with enough money
to pay for the paperwork battle that goes back-and-forth before anything gets paid. Each side has an army of people who throw papers at the other side until someone relents or a decision is made.
Remember how the costs for a cell phone used to be 2-3k when they first came out and they were the size of a football? Market pressures and consumer demand (competition) acted to produce smaller and cheaper phones. The same could happen "again"
if the gov would get uninvolved. I say we unleash the doctors and hospitals against each other by letting them compete for our business. Turn the consumer lose with phone calls getting quotes on medical procedures and you'll see prices drop.
programs to help the poor. It would be much cheaper for charities to help if, well, healthcare were cheaper. There's also many providers that would expand their help. There's a baptist church nearby that runs its own pharmacy just for poor people.
They don't require that anybody be a member to get free meds. This is "their mission," so to speak. Many other examples exist where good folks will help people in need.
You can also look at medical industries that aren't insured & regulated. Plastic surgery & LASIK surgery are medical procedures that are far, far more affordable than those covered by insurance. LASIK, in particular, has gone down in price year after
You can also look at medical industries that aren't insured & regulated. Plastic surgery & LASIK surgery are medical procedures that are far, far more affordable than those covered by insurance. LASIK, in particular, has gone down in price year after
year due to competition. Neither industry is forced to accept & treat patients for next to nothing either so they don't have those extra costs to pay that are hoisted on hospitals & other medical providers.
There's no passion and fury for ensuring people have access to doctors because everyone already has access to doctors & no one has tried to pass laws making access to certain types of doctors illegal.
when prices are artificially inflated by insurance companies and the health and well-being of the citizenry is reduced to a profit motive, then no, not everyone has access.
Our country can learn a great deal from our European friends.
I believe the point Krystina was making is that there is access to health care for everyone. People can go to the free clinic, the ER, even some doctors do pro bono work. I think what you mean, stiletto, is access to doctors for preventive care. Even
without an insurance plan one could negotiate payment in cash and see a doctor and dentist at least once a year for no more than a few hundred dollars total.
I'd much rather healthcare was treated as an essential public service, and not just a protected right for the few who can afford to pay for it. The "right" to purchase healthcare at your own expense has never been questioned or relentlessly attacked.
People do have that same passion for access to medical care, if not more. The problem is that everybody does not agree on the best method for making medical care available to everybody.
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