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StilettoMiss October 28th, 2014 7:00pm

Imagine how much better our country would be if people had the same passion and fury for ensuring access to doctors and psychologists as they have for ensuring access to weapons.

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Brandon1995 San Francisco
10/30/14 6:15 am

I agree Stiletto. Healthcare is a human right.

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R3dzombi3 Space, probably
10/29/14 2:28 pm

Definitely. And if society as a whole thought of mental illness as an actual illness instead of thinking the person is faking it, weak minded, or any of the other bull they come up with.

ScrewU Gone
10/29/14 3:38 am

I don't belong to the cult of medicine.

Nizabelle Cambridge, MA
10/29/14 3:08 am

It would be lovely!

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SugarShaq
10/28/14 4:44 pm

Funny thing...people are now losing access to doctors they have had for years.

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dxstap Bloomington, Indiana
10/28/14 3:35 pm

I'm not aware of a movement to restrict access to medical care but there are those who want to restrict access to firearms.

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suppressedID Happy Year of Tiger
10/28/14 3:42 pm

The whole Obamacare effort was to fight de facto restriction to healthcare.

kscott516 Revelation 5 6
10/28/14 4:44 pm

What restriction?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/28/14 6:02 pm

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suppressedID Happy Year of Tiger
10/28/14 8:31 pm

So good health is a privilege?

ScrewU Gone
10/29/14 3:38 am

Yes. Like anything else that costs money.

suppressedID Happy Year of Tiger
10/29/14 6:38 am

Charles Dickens called: he needs you back in Oliver Twist.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/29/14 7:15 am

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/29/14 7:16 am

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kscott516 Revelation 5 6
10/29/14 7:18 am

Who's at fault if you're sick, suppressed? What gives you the right to tell a doctor that he has to treat you for free even if you make poor health decisions?

rons Thanks America
10/28/14 3:24 pm

I have less access to weapons and good access to doctors.

gonzoboy Northern AZ
10/28/14 2:58 pm

Dear Stiletto, surely there are folks who DO have "the same passion and fury for ensuring access to doctors and psychologists", if they so desire. We ALL exercise freedom to pick our passions. As a Country, it doesn't get much better than that! :)

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ThePhlegm The Lone Star State
10/28/14 2:41 pm

Americans have more access to doctors than guns. The psychologists might be less though.

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Liberty 4,032,064
10/28/14 2:34 pm

I don't think anyone is trying to prohibit the products and services provided by doctors and psychologists like the government is trying with firearms.

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/28/14 2:07 pm

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10/28/14 2:08 pm

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10/28/14 2:09 pm

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/28/14 2:10 pm

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/28/14 2:14 pm

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/28/14 2:14 pm

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/28/14 2:15 pm

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StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 2:17 pm

Where does this clown keep showing up from? Jesus Christ. You think if you ignore someone they won't come and verbally vomit all over your polls

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/28/14 2:20 pm

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/28/14 2:21 pm

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cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 2:32 pm

He has a serious mental disorder.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 2:33 pm

Please stop. Please??

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/28/14 2:41 pm

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 2:45 pm

I'm just tired of all the contention. It gets old and is ultimately pointless. Nobody changes someone's beliefs or lifestyle by attacking them at every turn. It's a downer for the rest of us who have to wade through it just to have convo.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 2:46 pm

I admit that I was the biggest offender in the past and so now I'm a hypocrite, but there it is.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 2:50 pm

I also feel a sort of responsibility to help here because I've been a colossal ass on this app and this is my little way of helping make it a better place. You can always ignore my plea as I can't tell anybody what to do, and I totally respect

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cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 2:50 pm

Well you should be talking to Stiletto then. He did all of the attacking.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 2:51 pm

you, but I hope the contention doesn't ultimately wear you and others out too. I guess that's it. :-)

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 2:52 pm

Look at the thread below this one too. He's a very disturbed person.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 2:53 pm

I've been talking to stiletto, but privately. I'm working both ends. :-)

Thanks.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 2:56 pm

I haven't read the whole poll yet, but I'm willing I bet that SM is defensive because of the history of which I'm a part. Cornered creatures will bite. I've been at both sides of that. Let's call it a night already for this poll. :-)

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 3:00 pm

Good luck dealing with his mental disorder.

GrandmaALiCE
10/28/14 3:01 pm

Stiletto, I know you disagree with Nenacyst's opinion, but he was calm and polite. Why the attack on him?

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 3:02 pm

Because of his mental disorder. Jesus. How hard is that to understand? Why is this so shocking?

GrandmaALiCE
10/28/14 3:08 pm

I have always liked you and gotten along with you. I have seen you be kind and caring. Some people have really hurt you on this app, but it seems to me, Nema was trying to honestly debate. I was hoping you would debate back, in that spirit.

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 3:10 pm

Look at the thread below this one... I tried. All he did was attack.

GrandmaALiCE
10/28/14 3:12 pm

To be clear ... That reply was to Stiletto, not cowboy. :)

Cowboy, if you mean her PTSD, that may be partially true. So, why do I think that's *not* what you meant? /sarcasm/

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 3:14 pm

Oops. I actually meant his BDD.

GrandmaALiCE
10/28/14 3:15 pm

Cowboy, I looked at the thread below. You mostly threw out insults.

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 3:17 pm

Lol. I think you need to put your glasses on...

gonzoboy Northern AZ
10/28/14 3:17 pm

I have much love for EVERYones Right to express and represent. But right now, in this moment, YukonCornelius, I have deep respect for your effort and words here, and I stand with you. Thank you.

GrandmaALiCE
10/28/14 3:18 pm

But, you weren't alone in throwing around insults, to be fair. So did everybody else on that thread.

GrandmaALiCE
10/28/14 3:20 pm

I 100% agree with Gonzo.

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 3:20 pm

Stiletto was on his high horse, once again, insulting lip's intelligence. I didn't insult him once. Unless you count "Smarty pants"...

GrandmaALiCE
10/28/14 3:23 pm

Cowboy: "Oops. I actually meant his BDD."

That doesn't even make sense.

GrandmaALiCE
10/28/14 3:26 pm

Cowboy: "How about you read the Constitution of the U.S. and not the Communist Manifesto."

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 3:27 pm

It makes complete sense. Body Dysmorphic Disorder. That's his mental illness.

GrandmaALiCE
10/28/14 3:27 pm

And every time you call her a "him," it's an insult.

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 3:29 pm

Healthcare isn't a Constitutional amendment. The right to bear arms is. Healthcare IS found in Marx's work. That's not an insult. It's a fact.

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 3:30 pm

He is a man. That also is a fact.

GrandmaALiCE
10/28/14 3:32 pm

Cowboy, I'm not going to debate again, the difference between transgender and Body Dysmorphic Disorder. You will believe what you have decided to believe, regardless. But even if you were right, it wouldn't be relevant to how she comments in a poll.

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 3:35 pm

Yes. I choose to believe in biology, not a mental disorder. I won't apologize for it.

fredd TrumpLand
10/28/14 3:40 pm

I see another case of verbal diarrhea from the usual suspect.

GrandmaALiCE
10/28/14 3:41 pm

Cowboy, your first fact is technically correct, but not relevant. There are many other documents, other than the Communist Manifesto, that reference health care. I disagree with your second "fact."

GrandmaALiCE
10/28/14 3:43 pm

However, I have chores to get done this evening. I'm going to let you have the last word, just out of expediency. It's been "fun."

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 3:46 pm

You're free to disagree with facts, if you really want to. It's irrational and wrong, but you have the right.

ScrewU Gone
10/29/14 3:44 am

Nemacyst made a rational and detailed argument. SM didn't even try to address what was said. I too would call for peace if BOTH sides were attacking, but that wasn't the case. Stop excusing her bad behavior.

lip massholevania
10/28/14 1:39 pm

We can learn a lot from Europe, do the opposite. Nothing good will come from them socialists.

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StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 1:42 pm

Except they're succeeding where America is failing. Education, healthcare, human development index

lip massholevania
10/28/14 1:44 pm

That's also false, we are still the most prosperous nation on earth, despite what you socialists are attempting.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 1:45 pm

you must not be a fan of objective data.

You can be "prosperous" and still be failing against other countries in sectors like education and healthcare and overall development.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 1:46 pm

what's a lie is you tying Gross Domestic Product to a million other categories where other countries do things better than America.

lip massholevania
10/28/14 1:47 pm

I'm not into fairy tales, just the facts which you are sorely lacking.

lip massholevania
10/28/14 1:48 pm

Your kidding right? You can't believe the crap your peddling?

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 1:49 pm

You're in some alternate universe where facts don't exist.

Here in reality, America doesn't lead the world in every single category and it's insane to think they do.

lip massholevania
10/28/14 1:51 pm

I live in the real world where leftist dreams are not facts.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 1:54 pm

do you even know what the human development index is?

lip massholevania
10/28/14 1:57 pm

Propaganda foisted on us by the UN. Prattle espoused by liberals.

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 2:00 pm

Absolutely agree lip. We are Americans.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 2:02 pm

it's a simpleton's view to think that academic studies you disagree with are propaganda when you have no academic studies of your own.

I'll chalk this one up as a win :)

lip massholevania
10/28/14 2:06 pm

That's why we call that bs you are peddling for what it is, junk science.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 2:07 pm

"How dare you rely on statistics and data?! Derp derp!"

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 2:08 pm

you're full of hot air and lots of blustering junior.

It's apparent you have no data and are essentially wrong on lots of stuff.

Go back to school :)

lip massholevania
10/28/14 2:09 pm

Why? So more libiots can attempt to foist junk propaganda on me?

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 2:10 pm

How about you read the Constitution of the U.S. and not the Communist Manifesto.

lip massholevania
10/28/14 2:11 pm

Statics and data can and are often manipulated. Usual by a liberal with an agenda.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 2:14 pm

hdr.undp.org/en/content/education-index

Reality must be difficult for you to acknowledge. Some people are just smarter and more accomplished than you will ever be. Many of them work for the UN. You should just get used to that :)

lip massholevania
10/28/14 2:16 pm

Posting a page by an institution run and lead by dictators and socialists ain't helping you.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 2:16 pm

you mean college-educated individuals. Clearly you're a buffoon.

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 2:16 pm

Which amendment to the Constitution is healthcare, Mr. Smarty pants?

lip massholevania
10/28/14 2:17 pm

The guardian? What's next the national inquirer? Mad magazine?

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/28/14 2:17 pm

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lip massholevania
10/28/14 2:18 pm

I bet you still believe in the Easter bunny too.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 2:18 pm

are you really that stupid?

cowboy Dawns Highway
10/28/14 2:19 pm

So much for him trying to be nicer... I knew that poll was bullshit.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 2:19 pm

Here in reality, newspapers cover stories where other people generate the data.

Jesus. Get this kid into a classroom.

lip massholevania
10/28/14 2:20 pm

Cowboy it's the hidden one in the obummer care bill.

lip massholevania
10/28/14 2:22 pm

That's just what you'd like all those nea minions trying to brain wash me.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 2:26 pm

*shrug*

If you're too stupid to learn things, I won't waste my time trying to teach you.

lip massholevania
10/28/14 7:18 pm

Teach me? Not with that drival. Or you could wait till they lobotomies me so what you say makes sense.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 1:08 pm

Well, kinda. People advocating for access to guns aren't advocating for the use of gov money (your neighbor's money) to buy them with.

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 1:08 pm

I'd say this instead: wouldn't it be wonderful if medical costs were like they used to be before there was so much gov involvement.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 1:09 pm

The advent of gov programs in the 60s has had a major impact on how the industry operates.

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
10/28/14 1:30 pm

Exactly. If more people understood that the gov is the reason for our exorbitant medical costs, they might not be so hip on further gov involvement that leads to increased costs that leads to further gov involvement that leads to increased costs...

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 1:33 pm

If it wasn't for the government, insurance companies would charge whatever they wanted for any number of things.

You do realize it's regulation that's meant to protect people, right? You're arguing that without government intervention companies

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 1:34 pm

would be benevolent and that's incredibly false. If that were true, the Department of Labor would not exist to ensure people are paid a decent wage or that employers actually provide safe working conditions. You can't trust profiteers that way.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 1:34 pm

Private insurance is also a problem, but it's one that's exacerbated by gov regs. Adding bureaucratic layers to the process means increasing costs whether they be insurance co. bureaucracy or gov bureaucracy.

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 1:36 pm

Insurance co. have huge employee expenses, marketing expenses, etc. It's a very large burden to hang on whoever is paying for it when it could be as simple as the health consumer paying directly. It was this way for everybody

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 1:38 pm

before the insurance and gov programs came about. It used to be that doctors competed for business. Now the fees paid are uniform and set by the insurance company and are padded on both sides (insurance and doctor) with enough money

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 1:39 pm

to pay for the paperwork battle that goes back-and-forth before anything gets paid. Each side has an army of people who throw papers at the other side until someone relents or a decision is made.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 1:41 pm

Remember how the costs for a cell phone used to be 2-3k when they first came out and they were the size of a football? Market pressures and consumer demand (competition) acted to produce smaller and cheaper phones. The same could happen "again"

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 1:42 pm

if the gov would get uninvolved. I say we unleash the doctors and hospitals against each other by letting them compete for our business. Turn the consumer lose with phone calls getting quotes on medical procedures and you'll see prices drop.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 1:45 pm

you're describing what it was like before the government stepped in and poor people were just left to die.

This is basic history

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 1:47 pm

reason.com/reasontv/2012/11/15/the-obamacare-revolt-oklahoma-doctors-fi There's a nascent movement of truly "free market" healthcare out there and it is MUCH cheaper. Stilett. It is history, but there's always been charitable programs

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 1:48 pm

programs to help the poor. It would be much cheaper for charities to help if, well, healthcare were cheaper. There's also many providers that would expand their help. There's a baptist church nearby that runs its own pharmacy just for poor people.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 1:48 pm

They don't require that anybody be a member to get free meds. This is "their mission," so to speak. Many other examples exist where good folks will help people in need.

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
10/28/14 1:50 pm

You can also look at medical industries that aren't insured & regulated. Plastic surgery & LASIK surgery are medical procedures that are far, far more affordable than those covered by insurance. LASIK, in particular, has gone down in price year after

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
10/28/14 1:50 pm

You can also look at medical industries that aren't insured & regulated. Plastic surgery & LASIK surgery are medical procedures that are far, far more affordable than those covered by insurance. LASIK, in particular, has gone down in price year after

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
10/28/14 1:50 pm

year due to competition. Neither industry is forced to accept & treat patients for next to nothing either so they don't have those extra costs to pay that are hoisted on hospitals & other medical providers.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 1:58 pm

There's a doctor in Oklahoma that's known for spending one Saturday every few weeks giving LASIK to patients that can't afford it.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/28/14 2:19 pm

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/28/14 2:22 pm

I'm so closeted that I've got moths nesting in my ass crack. :-)

Good convo everybody and good poll SM!!!!!

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
10/28/14 12:40 pm

There's no passion and fury for ensuring people have access to doctors because everyone already has access to doctors & no one has tried to pass laws making access to certain types of doctors illegal.

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StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 1:11 pm

please explain how "everyone has access to doctors"?

lip massholevania
10/28/14 1:15 pm

You have no right to medical care.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 1:19 pm

^ that's part of the issue. Much of the rest of the Western world has already realized how imperative it is.

lip massholevania
10/28/14 1:24 pm

It'll never happen, you have no right to others labor.

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
10/28/14 1:27 pm

There are no laws in existence that prevent access to doctors. Therefore everyone has access. Please explain how anyone doesn't have access.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 1:30 pm

when prices are artificially inflated by insurance companies and the health and well-being of the citizenry is reduced to a profit motive, then no, not everyone has access.

Our country can learn a great deal from our European friends.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 1:32 pm

"You have no right to others labor"

^ this is patently false. Your over-simplification doesn't take into account essential public services like the police or disaster response teams.

lip massholevania
10/28/14 1:34 pm

Why should my taxes go to your health care?

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 1:39 pm

because it works everywhere else they try it.

Why should my taxes go to support your imperialist agenda if you're a conservative?

That's a conversation we can have all day.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 1:40 pm

It doesn't change the fact that it works just fine elsewhere.

If you'd like to do the bidding on behalf of billionaire insurance companies, at least ask yourself why you even feel that way.

lip massholevania
10/28/14 1:41 pm

No it doesn't, that's a blatant lie. It leads to rationing, lower quality medical care. And practicing eugenics.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 1:43 pm

What part of it is a lie? It's successful in other countries.

What's a lie is how you think your viewpoint is actually your own and not just your propaganda fed to you by billionaires.

lip massholevania
10/28/14 1:45 pm

Then your is funded by Soros touché.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 2:06 pm

you don't lose then say touché.

You poor thing.

Maybe the real world is just too much for you to comprehend.

lip massholevania
10/28/14 2:08 pm

? Throwing your baseless insinuations back at you is losing?

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
10/28/14 2:10 pm

you still have no data. And you're still wrong :)

kscott516 Revelation 5 6
10/28/14 2:12 pm

I believe the point Krystina was making is that there is access to health care for everyone. People can go to the free clinic, the ER, even some doctors do pro bono work. I think what you mean, stiletto, is access to doctors for preventive care. Even

lip massholevania
10/28/14 2:12 pm

Only to you, and those pesky voices in your head.

kscott516 Revelation 5 6
10/28/14 2:13 pm

without an insurance plan one could negotiate payment in cash and see a doctor and dentist at least once a year for no more than a few hundred dollars total.

lip massholevania
10/28/14 2:14 pm

Till the dims figure that out and make it illegal.

lip massholevania
10/28/14 2:26 pm

I'd love to chat more with you, but I'm off in per suit of another trade license so I can make more money to help brainwash the masses.

fredd TrumpLand
10/28/14 12:39 pm

Hah, good point.

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stickman46 NJ
10/28/14 12:16 pm

Sad to say healthcare is not a right under the Constitution but guns which can end a life are - it is a statement of the USA society.

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/28/14 12:16 pm

I'd much rather healthcare was treated as an essential public service, and not just a protected right for the few who can afford to pay for it. The "right" to purchase healthcare at your own expense has never been questioned or relentlessly attacked.

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jvc1133 61535
10/28/14 12:08 pm

You know better than to take a generalization and present it as fact.

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zack1018 Ich will nach Stuttgart
10/28/14 12:06 pm

People do have that same passion for access to medical care, if not more. The problem is that everybody does not agree on the best method for making medical care available to everybody.

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smacc DunningKruger
10/28/14 12:05 pm

Much better no question. I'm afraid some would believe access to healthcare would somehow take away their guns.

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