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fifeSymington Rose City
10/29/14 1:59 am

customers create jobs. Businesses create jobs on paper, but if they don't cut the mustard, those jobs go down the tubes. Customers decide who keeps their jobs.

Think Lovin Life
10/28/14 2:11 am

Yes, Ms Clinton is an idiot that shouldn't stray from her teleprompter.

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chinito Florida
10/27/14 9:56 pm

Jobs created a business. That business created iphone.

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Arananthi Literal Ninja
10/27/14 8:07 pm

Businesses are a necessary, but not a sufficient, condition to create jobs. You have to have a business, but you also have to have consumers with demand for the business' product/service. This is not a debatable fact.

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Arananthi Literal Ninja
10/27/14 8:08 pm

Wait. I lied. The government can create jobs, too. So you don't actually need a business. My bad.

ThePhlegm The Lone Star State
10/28/14 6:28 am

You know so little about economics....

Think Lovin Life
10/28/14 8:32 am

Aran ... the problem is that government produced nothing but drag on the economy. The jobs created by the gov't are only possible because there's a real jobs to support the gov't jobs.

mjrush Vancouver, Washington
10/27/14 6:42 pm

I have had a few coworkers over the years that have created more work for others around them... So, Yes!

RVA Uptown, Fan District, RVA
10/27/14 6:21 pm

I have to laugh when politicians (on either side of the aisle) say they created X amount of jobs during their tenure.

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Wackacrat Harford County
10/27/14 5:01 pm

They have job positions that need to be filled. Businesses supply a need, which typically leads to higher demand, which leads to more open positions. Jobs are a side effect of business.

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 5:52 pm

I agree that jobs are a byproduct, but it is still a creation of the business.

presrvd Phoenix
10/27/14 3:01 pm

...and the government taketh away...

rons screw politicians
10/27/14 2:59 pm

No, jobes create businesses. What a stupid statement.

RedHale Texas
10/27/14 3:16 pm

So a if burger flipper walks into a building a McDonalds will be made?

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 3:52 pm

Jobs are a byproduct of business. Entrepreneurs go into business to make money. When they start making money, they expand to make more money. When they expand, they have to hire help.

Diogenes FreeMeBe
10/27/14 2:38 pm

You're welcome!

To that I might add: How does the government earn money to pay the salaries of its employees?

duey in a fools paradise
10/27/14 2:35 pm

Ok it's consumers...they did come up with the IPhone right? Invested billions for new Airplanes? Yep consumers just pulled that stuff out of their arse. Evidently Hillary never had a real job doesn't get creating a product and then marketing it, gezz

Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/27/14 2:27 pm

Doing business IS the creation of jobs.

ScrewU Gone
10/27/14 2:22 pm

Businesses create the minimum number of jobs they need, and pay the least they can possibly get away with in order to maximize profits. Businesses don't create GOOD jobs any more.

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RedDye40 Way Over Yonder
10/28/14 3:49 am

I agree. It's the people who run the business who create the jobs with having. So, technically speaking, yes - businesses create jobs, but it's more complicated than just that fact. They create, but they also destroy.

JLA0829
10/27/14 2:08 pm

Not directly. You can't have a business without demand, demand is created by customers, customers need income to be able to purchase things

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MurrayHitchens The Truth Wins Out
10/27/14 11:53 am

Customers are able to be customers cause of their employers. It all starts at producing things people need/want. Money represents a claim on goods and services. So when customers buy they are actually trading their gds/srvs for the firms.

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MurrayHitchens The Truth Wins Out
10/27/14 11:55 am

Both are actually customers trading for what they perceive to be a higher value.

In short. "The owner DID build that"

dominiclandry
10/27/14 11:53 am

Wow democrats lol

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Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/27/14 1:05 pm

Customers create jobs... Econ 101

dominiclandry
10/27/14 1:46 pm

No customers create businesses if you want to be a butt about it

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/27/14 1:47 pm

And businesses only provide jobs when they can't meet demand from customers.

duey in a fools paradise
10/27/14 3:38 pm

Abolitionist; are you serious? Consumers don't create a damned thing someone had an idea, invested money and then created a demand for a product. Without that nothing else happens. Ever see a consumer buy anything that hadn't been produced? If it's

duey in a fools paradise
10/27/14 3:39 pm

a good enough product and the producer marketed it right then through his efforts he hires more people to produce his product.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/27/14 3:48 pm

No customers, no jobs.

duey in a fools paradise
10/27/14 3:53 pm

That's why business creates demand. Ever hear of the IPhone? You think a consumer just said Damn! I wish they would make an IPhone and it happens?

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/27/14 3:55 pm

If everyone stop buying iPhones, Apple couldn't provide jobs.

duey in a fools paradise
10/27/14 4:15 pm

Yep agree that's why business advertises and promotes its products. Otherwise people would never know a product existed.

dominiclandry
10/27/14 6:42 pm

There would be no jobs without business, which customers create. You just have this innate hatred for business so they can do nothing good. Goodness.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/27/14 6:44 pm

Wtf? It must be your bedtime, you're reading shit that was never typed.

dominiclandry
10/27/14 7:32 pm

That's how you're coming across. Businesses provide jobs. Do you write apple employees checks? No. The company does.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/27/14 11:04 am

No; they provide jobs. Customers create jobs.

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sssss1 arizona
10/27/14 10:31 am

No they create muffins

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HelloThere2187 Utah
10/27/14 10:10 am

Of course they do. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot, including and especially Hillary Clinton.

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USA1st
10/27/14 9:59 am

lol @ that 1 Democrat.

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USA1st
10/27/14 10:44 am

Nevermind, now more have voted.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/27/14 9:58 am

Yes, in order to produce he products and services that people desire. Is that even a question?

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jvc1133 61535
10/27/14 9:40 am

It is a sign of the times that this comment even comes up.

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Krystina Let Freedom Reign
10/27/14 9:34 am

Definitely, but only if/when the government gets the hell out of their way. My husband & I own a small businesses that we operate ourselves, but I would have one or two employees already if it weren't for government regs.

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political Georgia
10/27/14 9:35 am

Democrats rather keep those people reliant on the government. Easy votes.

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
10/27/14 9:47 am

Too true, unfortunately.

political Georgia
10/27/14 9:54 am

...and republicans can't win elections.

political Georgia
10/27/14 9:54 am

Not that they are much different.

political Georgia
10/27/14 9:29 am

No no no no!!! Barack Hussein (Insane) Obama single handily created the jobs. Anyone who tells you differently is obviously a racist.

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/27/14 9:22 am

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eLucidate writing
10/27/14 9:40 am

Both create jobs. Public employees are a huge part of the economy.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 9:41 am

The vast majority of jobs are private sector.

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 9:44 am

about 80%

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 9:49 am

84.2% to be exact. The government is way to massive.

www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t17.htm

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 9:53 am

Regardless of that opinion, the government is a significant job creator.

Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/27/14 9:54 am

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Joshua77 Jesus is Lord
10/27/14 9:55 am

The private sector creates jobs the that produce goods and services people actually want. Too many government jobs produce no real value for the economy.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 9:57 am

No, they're not. If they were, the number of government jobs would be in the 30-40% range. If you cut the federal government jobs by 20%, you would increase unemployment by 0.38% and that sort of deregulation would cause an economic boom creating

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 9:57 am

I really don't care to debate the merit of government as a whole. I am just saying that both create jobs, no need to create a false dilemma--that's what politicians do.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 9:58 am

Countless jobs in the private sector. Government jobs will NEVER stimulate an economy. Private jobs, however, will.

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 10:00 am

Jesus. Relax man. Go have some tea or something.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 10:14 am

The problem is that you will be led by blind ignorance and will not think for yourself regardless of the facts presented to you. Go vote your democrat heart out despite it being destructive to American ideals.

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 10:18 am

What in the fuck are you talking about? I'm not a democrat, and what have I said that is even debatable? The government does create jobs, even the most partisan hack of an economist admits that. It is a basic fact of macroeconomics.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 10:24 am

Government jobs contribute zero to an economy. An economy is based entirely on private trade!

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 10:33 am

CIG + X

guess what the G stands for? You'd think someone so condescending would at least know what they teach you on the first day in an economics class.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 10:55 am

Ummm... G stands for Government Spending and that equation is used to calculate GDP.... You'd think for someone who's going to spout equations they'd know what the hell they're talking about...

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 10:59 am

Oh right, GDP isn't related to the economy. Good call.

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 10:59 am

I wonder if government spending includes employee salaries? Because then you would just look like a tool...

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 11:17 am

A VERY small percentage of spending is salaries. And you DO realize that government spending should be as small of a percentage of GDP as possible to be considered a heathy economy right???? I mean we're talking Econ101 here....

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 11:19 am

Why do I get the feeling you didn't take that class?

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 11:22 am

Well if that's what you want to believe, then by all means believe that.... It doesn't make you any less wrong.

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 11:26 am

Nice deflection.

What am I wrong about?

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 11:34 am

"Public employees are a huge part of the economy."

In determining the health of the economy, government spending should be as low as possible and private enterprise should be thriving. Private enterprises thrive because their tax burdens are low,

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 11:34 am

consumer confidence is high, incomes are up, and people are purchasing goods from private businesses. Your argument is essentially that an increase in government jobs while keeping the private sector the same would help the economy. This is entirely

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 11:35 am

false. By increasing government spending to a higher percentage of GDP, you are actually decreasing the Heath of the economy. If government were an economic asset, then the majority of jobs would be government jobs.

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 11:42 am

I didn't say anything about increasing or decreasing government spending. I said that public employees area significant part of the economy, which they are. Are you really debating that?

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 11:51 am

Absolutely I am. Government employees contribute zero to the economic health of a nation. In fact, if anything, they have a negative contribution to the economy.

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 12:00 pm

Lol. Well, you are completely wrong, and this is a very basic concept of economics. I suggest you speak with anyone at all who has studied economics for at least an hour.

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 12:01 pm

Also, try not to be such an ass when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 12:02 pm

I have studied economics. You clearly had an idiot professor. Not only is this basic economics, it's also common sense. By your logic, a 100% government run state would be the healthiest economy in the world.

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 12:07 pm

Are you on acid? The only thing I've said here is that govt employees are part of the economy. Which is so obvious, and simple, that I am almost speechless. I'm calling bullshit on you ever taking a single econ class.

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 12:09 pm

and FYI, the chair of the econ dept hand wrote me a note inviting me to switch into his program. I've not had 1 econ prof, but 3. Of course, we haven't moved beyond day 1 of my first class here because you are too thick.

eLucidate writing
10/27/14 12:10 pm

to ackowledge a basic definition of economy.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 12:19 pm

Call bullshit on whatever you want. Economics (micro and macro) are required for my marketing degree, so take that for what it's worth. You said that government employees are a "huge part" of the economy, not that they merely "part of" the economy.

DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/27/14 12:20 pm

Of course they are part of the economy, however they are a very minor part.