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DerekWills October 26th, 2014 5:24pm

John Coleman, co-founder of The Weather Channel, claims that Climate Change has "become a political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid." Is it just me or are more and more people abandoning Al Gore's dreamland?

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cowboy Here and There
10/27/14 7:38 am

No shit. Man-made global warming has been proven to be a hoax.

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drunk ill be Bach
10/26/14 7:42 pm

You do know that the source you linked us to is a TABLOID, right? How embarrassing.

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
10/27/14 6:09 am

This user is currently being ignored

drunk ill be Bach
10/27/14 6:17 am

Even whilst highly intoxicated, I can still differentiate between a credible source and children's literature.

GlockMan1 Alabama
10/26/14 4:17 pm

I don't argue that climate change is happening. My argument is that there are far greater factors on our climate than man....one of them being our own sun.

rons screw politicians
10/26/14 4:02 pm

I have other problems to deal with.

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JLA0829
10/26/14 3:31 pm

Thinking that meteorologist=climate scientist is like saying a small business owner is the same as an economist. Climate and weather aren't the same, though weather exists as part of a climate. Also, i hate people who say they aren't a scientist then

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JLA0829
10/26/14 3:31 pm

Disregard what scientists have to say

JLA0829
10/26/14 3:32 pm

Or rather I hate when people do that

chisohawa Albuquerque
10/26/14 2:04 pm

I don't "<3 al gore" but climate change is a serious issue. There is NOT significant disagreement among the scientific community. Over 98% agree that the majority of climate change is man made and it is reaching the point where it cause serious probs

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BusinessJustin Tamriel
10/26/14 2:44 pm

I agree whole-heartedly. I rather despise Al Gore, but climate change remains a concern. The amount of it that's manmade remains up for the debate but the fact that it's occurring is not, and denying it is simply stupid.

gonzoboy Arizona
10/26/14 2:02 pm

I hope Al Gore is seeing this! No not about climate stuff, but Tennessee finally voted for him! :D

Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/26/14 1:57 pm

Were there ever as many as claimed, especially among the most well-qualified in the field? It certainly isn't difficult to find experts with unimpeachable credentials suggesting the political conclusions are not supported by the scientific data.

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 1:30 pm

At a very minimum it demonstrates that there's serious disagreement amongst climate scientists.

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brenstal Florida
10/26/14 1:32 pm

Coleman isn't a climate scientist. He hasn't conducted studies or earned any scientific degree.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 1:34 pm

Neither has algore.

brenstal Florida
10/26/14 1:37 pm

That's true, which is why Al Gore isn't the person to listen to about climate change. You should always check what scientists are writing in peer reviewed journals. The right thinks Al Gore is an authority on this to the left, but he isn't.

brenstal Florida
10/26/14 1:38 pm

He's an advocate, and that's wonderful. But the important thing is that we are being led by scientists who are actively studying Climate Change.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 1:40 pm

So you're saying don't attack the advocates or evangelists of the sides in this issue? I disagree. Coleman has an immense knowledge base and his view is worthwhile when compared to that of a politician like gore. Coleman's entire career is relevant

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 1:40 pm

Whereas gore was just a politician with an agenda. It's all fair game.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 1:41 pm

If gore advocates a position whilst living his life in stark in opposition to it then it a person can reasonably evaluate that for what it is.

brenstal Florida
10/26/14 1:44 pm

No, I'm saying this is Coleman vs. the majority of scientific experts on climate. Coleman vs. people who have done peer reviewed research. Coleman might know more about weather than Al Gore. But he doesn't know more than researchers/scientists.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 1:46 pm

"Majority," perhaps, but there's many that disagree besides Coleman. Disagreement with the majority position, and all of its magnitudunal political implications, isn't small or nascent.

brenstal Florida
10/26/14 1:47 pm

You can criticize Al Gore, but that does nothing to actually address the science. It's like how I could criticize Mitt Romney as a person and politician, but that does nothing to address the economic arguments of the right.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 1:49 pm

You're exactly right on that. Here's why it matters to me. It'll take a few posts to articulate.

I'm a professional software developer with 4 kids. I have church responsibilities, Boy Scout responsibilities, and my time is scarce.

Cont.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 1:50 pm

Family responsibilities, homework and dishes to help with. My reading time is devoted to topics that keep me current in my work which is constantly evolving. This plus the fact that scientific journals are as dry and boring as anything

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 1:51 pm

In the world can be, I won't ever research this myself or pour through competing scientific research in order to "find the truth" and figure out which scientist is right and which one is wrong. The idea that a "majority" of scientists may

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 1:52 pm

may agree means nothing to me because this is a political issue as well as scientific and I see how poorly democracy is working out for us. Obama got elected twice so a majority in my opinion doesn't mean that the majority is right.

Cont.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 1:54 pm

So I'm left listening to the evangelists as my sources of information. The "world is ending" man-made GW side has a total hypocrite for their evangelist. The other side has advocates that are much more honorable, consistent, and seemingly

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 1:55 pm

reasonable. Your side appears to be using "science" to advance the democrat party political agenda whilst the other side seems much easier to believe and understand. Discount the advocates and evangelists all you want, but they matter to me.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 1:57 pm

So that's how I see it. I'm a voter and I shouldn't have to become s scientist in order to figure this out. I can use common sense and evaluate the arguments "as presented" by the evangelists and decide for myself.

That's about it.

brenstal Florida
10/26/14 1:58 pm

I trust peer reviewed research and scientific consensus. I generally trust that experts in a field will know better than me. The right uses Al Gore as a Global Warming evangelical, but as a liberal I would say we just don't.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 1:59 pm

One last thing: both sides have highly credentialed scientists advocating for it and they're both very convincing. Each side can talk me into a circle with their "science." I'll never read the science or take classes on it. It's not my thing.

brenstal Florida
10/26/14 2:00 pm

I think the right concentrates on him above other people talking about Global Warming because they know he's divisive. I usually get my info on Global Warming through newspaper articles and documentaries.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 2:01 pm

So i'm inclined to believe those who appear more genuine and also don't appear to be advancing a political agenda. Gore has made millions from his business that sells carbon credits. He's a liar and thief. Your side seems to be rift with politics.

brenstal Florida
10/26/14 2:03 pm

It's fine for you not to care about it, but flying in the face of the experts because you think conservatives are nicer is sort of ridiculous. Just say that you don't know, but don't feel like it's happening. I'll say that I trust the current idea.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 2:04 pm

There be experts on every side of this issue. Consensus is just science by vote. I don't trust democratic science. It means nothing to me. It doesn't work well elsewhere as I've already pointed out.

brenstal Florida
10/26/14 2:05 pm

Your side is supporting the political interests of coal and gas. Your side would allow fracking to happen in communities. It allows companies to continue without environment regulation. Your side is as political as my side.

brenstal Florida
10/26/14 2:06 pm

You just don't see it as much because it's what you support.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 2:07 pm

Your side supports big government and big taxes and big regulation. You just don't see it.

brenstal Florida
10/26/14 2:08 pm

Over 90% of climate scientists believe that Global Warming is happening, there are not equal sides in the scientific community. And a consensus of experts is different than an electorate. They're constantly checking each other's work.

brenstal Florida
10/26/14 2:10 pm

I said that liberals were political and wanted regulations. I just wanted you to see how the right is every bit as political.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/26/14 2:11 pm

I agree that GW is happening I just don't think it's man-made.

brenstal Florida
10/26/14 1:27 pm

Coleman doesn't have any qualifications to judge the issue. He doesn't have a degree in any scientific field, and he hasn't done any research. Why does his opinion matter more than scientists studying this and peer reviewed research.

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brenstal Florida
10/26/14 1:31 pm

I believe that Global Warming is happening because experts in the field have studied it and I find the research compelling. By linking it to Al Gore instead of researchers, the right makes it needlessly political.

benseth naturalist
10/26/14 12:32 pm

Coleman was a WEATHERMAN with a degree in JOURNALISM. If you want to listen to him instead of climatologists and geologists, then it's your fault for being misguided.

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benseth naturalist
10/26/14 12:21 pm

Nice job with your answer choices. I had to choose that I love Al Gore, which I don't. But it's ridiculous to think that climate change has no scientific evidence. Try to understand it without thinking about Al Gore for once.

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benseth naturalist
10/26/14 12:28 pm

I agree that it has been over politicized. And that is a disservice to the science of climate change. It has also become synonymous with anthropogenic global warming. They aren't the same.

Liberty 4,032,064
10/26/14 11:19 am

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elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
10/26/14 11:11 am

Perhaps more accurately, ppl are beginning to feel empowered to speak truth against the political/social/religious intimidation of the climate change construct. A legitimate sci case can be made against man-made-climate-change-catastrophe propaganda.

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Axl752 NY
10/26/14 10:54 am

I tend to believe scientists over a TV exec. The only reason it is a political agenda is because of the extreme right wing and their inability to accept science.

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commonsense America isnt racist
10/26/14 12:41 pm

He's a meteorologist

susanr Colorado
10/26/14 6:37 pm

His degree is in journalism. Weather =/= climate; weather forecasting =/= climate science research.

susanr Colorado
10/26/14 10:49 am

Link's not working for me; could you post it in here too please? (I was getting a "cannot open" on the iPhone, something about "cannot process raw data," so maybe the page itself is wonky.)

susanr Colorado
10/27/14 11:29 am

Thanks for the link, Derek.

suppressedID That is my secret Cap
10/26/14 10:30 am

So the TV exec doesn't believe the SCIENTISTS?

Whatever. Sounds like a ratings move.

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susanr Colorado
10/26/14 10:55 am

Well, to be fair, he's not just a TV exec. He was a meteorologist for decades.

To be even more fair, though, he's not a *scientist.* His degree was in journalism. He's been grousing about GW being a hoax since 2007, & not, apparently, by presenting

susanr Colorado
10/26/14 10:56 am

an understanding of scientific evidence. (All this according to snopes, seems supported.)

Arananthi Literal Ninja
10/26/14 10:29 am

False dichotomy. You are correct, AND I love Al Gore. :P

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DerekWills Lone Star Gun Rights
10/26/14 10:33 am

He did invent the Internet!