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sssss1 arizona
10/27/14 10:35 am

I don't want to pay for something I hate

cowboy Here and There
10/27/14 8:17 am

Terrible. Defund the Government abortion clinics and stop forcing these sick beliefs on everyone.

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SFLiberal
10/27/14 8:25 am

Stop forcing your sick beliefs on everyone.

cowboy Here and There
10/27/14 8:33 am

You can't be "pro-choice" while forcing your beliefs on everyone.

SFLiberal
10/27/14 8:49 am

You can't be pro-life while not supporting healthcare as a human right.

cowboy Here and There
10/27/14 8:52 am

Lol. Communism is pro-life, huh? You're not pro-choice because you want to force your beliefs on everyone.

SFLiberal
10/27/14 8:58 am

I love it when you confuse common sense with communism.

cowboy Here and There
10/27/14 9:00 am

lol. You think Communism is common sense?

SFLiberal
10/27/14 9:02 am

Universal access to healthcare is a common sense idea that you described as "communism."

cowboy Here and There
10/27/14 9:05 am

Lol. Of course you love Communism.

Statek Im from the Internet
10/27/14 7:49 am

ITT a bunch of people who think abortions are more expensive than 18+ years of welfare

ovcourse Alzheimer Joe
10/26/14 8:03 pm

I should not have to pay for someone else's abortion.

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jrrob CT
10/26/14 5:49 am

I'm against abortion and I'm against taxpayer funded.

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hawkeyes
10/25/14 3:40 pm

Cheaper than taxpayer funded kids

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sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
10/25/14 8:43 pm

Wish your mom had that attitude.

jrrob CT
10/26/14 5:49 am

Sure, because moral responsibility shouldn't be one of the options.

fifeSymington Rose City
10/25/14 3:34 pm

way cheaper than welfare, food stamps, etc...

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jrrob CT
10/26/14 5:51 am

All of which are more expensive than condoms.

Statek Im from the Internet
10/27/14 7:50 am

"Because they were stupid an didn't buy condoms, I won't let them get an abortion they can't afford but I will let them have a child they can't afford and will pay them in welfare for the next 18+ years"
Bravo

jrrob CT
10/27/14 7:30 pm

So liberals see abortion as cost control? Since when are you worried about spending? You can just take it from the rich, remember.

musiman28 Cotton country
10/25/14 3:27 pm

Disapprove of any and all murders of the unborn, no matter who's paying.

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goalie31 OrthodoxCatholicChristian
10/25/14 3:08 pm

I'm not paying for something that violates my religious rights... If rather pay more for a child to live

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citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/25/14 3:10 pm

My tax dollars are used for many things I feel deeply violate my personal beliefs.

Should I be exempted from paying those taxes, or have my tax money sheltered from paying for those programs?

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/25/14 3:12 pm

War on Drugs, NSA, Gitmo, drone strikes, to name a few off the top of my head.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/25/14 3:14 pm

And really the examples do not matter. You think your tax money should not go towards something you believe is immoral.

Is that a precedent you'd like to defend?

firefly5 the verse
10/25/14 3:18 pm

also, someone else having an abortion doesn't violate your religious rights any more than me eating bacon violated the religious rights of someone who is Jewish.

goalie31 OrthodoxCatholicChristian
10/25/14 3:31 pm

All human life is sacred. Allowing it is just as bad as doing it

firefly5 the verse
10/25/14 3:33 pm

you may oppose this, but this does not violate your religious rights. you do see that, right?

goalie31 OrthodoxCatholicChristian
10/25/14 3:57 pm

It does though... I am being forced to pay the Hitman for a murder I don't want.

firefly5 the verse
10/25/14 4:04 pm

seriously? profiting from lending money is also forbidden. no one seems to be opposed to banks on religious grounds, though.

firefly5 the verse
10/25/14 4:05 pm

paying the hitman for murder. wow.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/25/14 4:10 pm

Goalie, is the precedent of allowing citizens to direct which programs their tax dollars can and cannot be used on one you'd like to extend to everyone?

OhTheIrony Learning from you
10/25/14 2:16 pm

Yes, I support it, in cases where the pregnant woman is unable to get an abortion without significant financial difficulty.

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goalie31 OrthodoxCatholicChristian
10/25/14 3:12 pm

Or she can just have the kid and set them up for adoption

firefly5 the verse
10/25/14 3:23 pm

let's assume, for a moment, that we are talking about a strictly elective abortion.

would you then support using public funds to cover the expenses of pregnancy, birth, and adoption?

goalie31 OrthodoxCatholicChristian
10/25/14 3:29 pm

Yes... I am against abortion... I'd rather pay for life than death

musiman28 Cotton country
10/25/14 9:00 pm

Exactly goalie!

Rocker saved by grace
10/25/14 1:27 pm

No, they can pay for it themself

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goalie31 OrthodoxCatholicChristian
10/25/14 3:12 pm

... Or just not have one

Rocker saved by grace
10/25/14 3:55 pm

That's the best option, but we know they don't care.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/25/14 1:22 pm

1. Does banning tax payer funded abortions create excessive entanglement with religious affairs?

2. Does banning tax payer funded abortions advance or inhibit religious practice?

3. Does banning tax payer funded abortion have a secular purpose?

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citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/25/14 1:24 pm

1. Yes, the bans do cause excessive entanglement. There are no valid secular reasons for the ban.

2. Yes, the ban advances a specific religious view.

3. No, there is no valid secular purpose for the ban. In fact, the ban works against

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/25/14 1:25 pm

...a safe, healthy community.

ThePhlegm The Lone Star State
10/25/14 1:42 pm

Besides average Americans don't think the government should pay for them. And the law says the same. So, don't like the law, change it. Until then, it is illegal.

ThePhlegm The Lone Star State
10/25/14 1:43 pm

Plus, there are secular atheists who think of abortion as murdering a child.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/25/14 1:51 pm

There are secular atheists who think ghosts are real, vaccines are bad, and that trickle-down economics is a positive thing.

Look at what I stated: No valid secular reasons.

I agree. Currently it's the law, but as soon as possible I think it

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/25/14 1:52 pm

...should be challenged.

ThePhlegm The Lone Star State
10/25/14 2:28 pm

The valid secular reasons are that a majority of the people don't want it right now. That may change in the future.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/25/14 2:33 pm

You apparently don't understand what a valid secular reason is.

The majority supporting something is not a valid secular reason.

GlockMan1 Alabama
10/25/14 1:10 pm

I will approve spending tax money for abortions when they start spending tax money for my ammunition.

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firefly5 the verse
10/25/14 3:10 pm

join the military and they will.

GlockMan1 Alabama
10/25/14 3:46 pm

I'm 63. Think they will take me?

firefly5 the verse
10/25/14 3:48 pm

it does seem a bit unlikely.

GubraLagima Tramp 2016
10/25/14 1:10 pm

Doing a single medical procedure is cheaper than forcing that woman to give birth and then having the taxpayers support the child until it turns 18

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ThePhlegm The Lone Star State
10/25/14 1:44 pm

So by not paying for it themselves, that is the exact same as society making them give birth. Is that your argument?

GubraLagima Tramp 2016
10/25/14 1:47 pm

No, by forcing them to give birth I meant making abortions illegal.

ThePhlegm The Lone Star State
10/25/14 2:29 pm

This question doesn't ask about that, only public funding.

RoDe Latinus wordsus
10/25/14 2:56 pm

If an individual decides they want an abortion because they can not financially provide for the child but are unable to pay for it, by denying them funds you are causing the gov't to spend more than if you did. That's pretty simple economics.

sojourner present
10/25/14 12:33 pm

Are we publicly funding other medical procedures? If so, then fund it like all the others and leave it up to the individual.

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bluerum29 optimistic idealist
10/25/14 10:48 am

I'm against publicly funded ...... For personal things.

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kermie gaytopia
10/25/14 9:02 am

I'm personally in favor of public funding for all medical procedures, but I recognize that this is enough of an uncertain gray area that I'm okay with citizens deciding they don't want to fund it.

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/25/14 9:09 am

I respect that. I can see that you're being even handed and I really applaud you for it. Well done Kermie.

Yazz No PC
10/25/14 8:54 am

Another abortion poll? Boring. Zzz zzz zzz

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political Georgia
10/25/14 9:51 am

I should have made this poll at night then. Nevertheless, you probably need a nap.

think4yourself Not a safe space
10/25/14 11:26 am

Poli. Maybe you should run all your poll questions by truck first to see if it meets his approval before posting. Lol.

political Georgia
10/25/14 11:59 am

I think I should.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/25/14 8:43 am

Paying for abortions> paying for welfare for 18 years

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/25/14 8:56 am

If only this were a financial issue then you'd have it nailed. I'd want to kill every person on welfare if it would save me money by not having to feed them, if there were no moral implications in doing so.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/25/14 8:59 am

Think how much money offing the terminally ill and unproductive could save us.

bethanyq Ess Eff
10/25/14 8:20 am

The abortion clinics should give out stickers like the I voted stickers, but they should say "I aborted." Maybe with a picture of Uncle Sam winking too.

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kermie gaytopia
10/25/14 9:02 am

Wonder how many women he knocked up in his day.

ScrewU Gone
10/25/14 8:10 am

Hardly matters whether we do or don't. We're paying for them now through the ACA.

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ScrewU Gone
10/25/14 3:01 pm

Sure are. Premiums were supposed to be segregated solo that taxpayer subsidies would not be used to pay for abortions, but that requirement in the law is being ignored.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/25/14 3:03 pm

Do you understand that just saying these things doesn't make them true?

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/25/14 3:09 pm

I'm trying to read the actual report, but the link in the article only links to the first page of the report, not the sections about these violations.

ScrewU Gone
10/25/14 4:24 pm

The summary is pretty clear. Specific requirements were put in the law to prevent taxpayer money being used for abortions and that part of the law is being ignored. It was a lie to protect democrat lawmakers in red states

Twinkeys Minnesota
10/25/14 7:46 am

i don't approve of any abortion.

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/25/14 7:18 am

It should be illegal anyway.

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political Georgia
10/25/14 7:24 am

Ding ding ding!

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/25/14 7:45 am

It represents a depraved selfishness anyway. It's very low.

political Georgia
10/25/14 7:45 am

Don't you just hate it when your finger hits the wrong comment to like?

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/25/14 8:42 am

Because women will stop having abortions if we ban them

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/25/14 8:55 am

Murder laws have never stopped murder, but they do make us civilized and it relieves us of the moral burden that comes by not outlawing them.

swjboucher Just Run
10/25/14 7:10 am

There is very little I approve of in the way government spends my money.

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chinito Florida
10/25/14 6:58 am

Evil + Stealing = Taxpayer Funded Abortions

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dominiclandry
10/25/14 6:58 am

Abortions are not protected or guaranteed by the Constitution, so I do not think tax dollars should fund them.

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citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/25/14 1:54 pm

But our Constitution does ban laws written for explicitly religious purposes. There are no valid secular arguments for this ban.

dominiclandry
10/25/14 2:08 pm

Yes there is. I just said it. It's not a ban on abortions, it's a ban on tax funded abortions. You have no right to an abortion, therefore no base to fund it with taxes.

Redacted
10/25/14 6:55 am

I would rather pay a small amount for an abortion than spend years paying for an unwanted child in 'the system.' And I would hate for the kid to grow up knowing s/he was unwanted. A better idea would be better education and access to birth control.

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political Georgia
10/25/14 7:03 am

That's a depressing attitude. You assume that kea can't overcome poverty.

SugarShaq
10/25/14 7:25 am

And that they can't walk to a local clinic for free birth control, but can get to abortion clinic.

political Georgia
10/25/14 7:25 am

Kids* I do wish I could type.

Arananthi Literal Ninja
10/25/14 7:42 am

Political, there's a big difference between assuming a kid can't overcome poverty, and looking at a child's statistical likelihood of overcoming poverty. Even if we tripled the rate at which that happens, more than half would still be tax burdens.

political Georgia
10/25/14 7:44 am

Every child deserve a chance to succeed.

political Georgia
10/25/14 7:50 am

Children aren't a statistic.

Yes...I finally thought of what I needed to say on my second attempt. :)

kermie gaytopia
10/25/14 9:04 am

And fetuses aren't children.

And it's particularly galling of you to say children deserve a chance to succeed when your personal political philosophy does absolutely nothing to help them succeed the moment they're out of the womb.

political Georgia
10/25/14 9:48 am

Really? I'm all for school choice unlike your political ideology.

sojourner present
10/25/14 12:35 pm

Late, it's more difficult for minors to get birth control than you might think. We have a county health clinic right next door to one of our high schools. That clinic is not allowed to even give out free condoms because it would promote sex!

SugarShaq
10/25/14 1:42 pm

Sojo, I live in Memphis where we have a high school with a record number of pregnancies. We have free BC everywhere. I don't think age is an issue, but I will look it up. Most of the billboards and bus signs have teenage girls on the ads.

sojourner present
10/25/14 2:01 pm

Late: I approve! Unfortunately my area still thinks abstinence only education is the way to prevent pregnancy in teens. "If you don't give them condoms then they won't have sex." Ugh. . .

rons screw politicians
10/25/14 6:48 am

Only if it includes a hysterectomy.

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SugarShaq
10/25/14 6:46 am

Forced funding is not choice. But then, we knew it was never about choice.

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political Georgia
10/25/14 6:50 am

So much for liberals being pro-choice....

Cole12 ...
10/25/14 6:52 am

I'm pro-choice and answered "disapprove" here. So yes, for me, it's about choice.

Yazz No PC
10/25/14 8:56 am

Forced anything is wrong. ANYTHING. RELIGION TOO.

political Georgia
10/25/14 6:41 am

I am pro-life, so I definitely don't support my tax dollars going towards paying for abortions.

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Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/25/14 8:44 am

If you're pro life, why do you support your tax money going to give war?

political Georgia
10/25/14 9:50 am

I'm not exactly a war-monger, Abo, but there is a major difference. Soldiers choose to fight in war, and yes, I oppose a draft because it should be a choice.

screename1 Washington State
10/25/14 6:27 pm

How about I fund the murder of "inconveniences" (baby at the wrong time), when they start funding me to murder people who are "inconveniences" in my life...