Some people call jihadists "mentally ill" because they kill innocent people. Is this a "cop out" intended to discredit them without having to consider their reasoning, religious values, and culture?
I don't think they are mentally ill but value structure is really screwed up.
They are mentally ill only if following one's religious doctrine in a very literal sense indicate's mental illness.
I think those of us in the west can't even imagine the desperation in these countries. That alone would make people nuts! But everyone has choices to make being an entrapanuer or doing for others is hard work, the easy path is destruction.
I think it is. Someone who says that doesn't understand mental illness. Mental illness isn't a choice. Maybe they're heavily influenced to be jihadists, or even coerced. Doesn't make it a mental illness.
Sorry about that, wrong button. As I was saying I have never heard of a jihadist being referred to as mentally ill. Crazy yes. It is not an illness, mental or otherwise. Although I suspect the mentally ill would be more inclined to become a jihadist
Some commentator in Canada was saying he thought the people who shot up the parliament yesterday must have been mentally ill for wanting to do that. I've heard people many times say that killers must have a mental illness or they wouldn't do that.
A commentator is your source? Sorry I missed that talking head
News reporters do give the news.
I've said exactly the same thing about school shooters. These people aren't mentally ill. They hate society (or certain parts) and they want to hurt it. All evil is not necessarily irrational.
I'm trying to understand the question...I have never heard of a
They are not mentally ill. They have a perfect understanding of what they are doing
It was this same mentality that brought on THE CRUSADES.
They kill because their hearts are wicked and Satan has deceived them into believing God is with them. Has nothing to do with mental illness.
Sorry I see them as brainwashed killers just like the Mason family. Weak minded, undereducated with no idea how to do anything positive. Actually they view killing infidel's as a positive venture. Had these people been brought into Jim Jones's church
they would have literally drank the Kool-Aid. They have no idea how to treat women or children other then property. The Mullahs in these backward countries have easy prey almost ready made pieces of clay waiting to be molded into destructive killers.
Their religious views are not new and are as old as Islam itself. Their spiritual leaders (imams and such) are schooled and trained in Islam. Their scholars are as educated as any university professor at any theological school in the US.
I agree but their students have no foundation other then what any given Imam what's to teach. Unfortunately they've been inclined to teach the old violent barbaric laws in it's most literal form.
They have solid backing for their islamic beliefs and their interpretation is well supported by the literal islamic text. I don't think they're crazy at all. I think they just subscribe to a really bad version of the religion.
The Imams agreed aren't crazy, the students are what the Imam's will make of them. Today's churches could teach a literal version of the Old Testament and we could be in the same place but modern theologians here teach it more as a piece of
literature. They focus on the much more positive aspects using the bible as a guide to serve and forgive not hate and destroy.
I agree the scholars of Islam are educated. It's the followers who appear to be brainwashed. I understand the Quran gives guidance and orders for jihad, but I haven't seen one scholar, leader or warlord strap a bomb to themselves for the 40 virgins.
This is something they conveniently delegate out to the "expendable". Osama bin laden made video discussing this, while laughing that they gave their lives on 9-11
"No", I don't think it a "cop out", 'cuz along with other references, they're also certifiably deranged Muslim zealots. All discrediting to culture/religion is what they themselves have done. We merely acknowledge. I could care less their reasoning.
Yes, as with many, maybe most, cases where people use that term.
That's exactly what it is. I've been face to face with some of these guys in Iraq. They aren't fanatics and they're not crazy. They will tell you calmly but with utter certainty why they must do what they do.
They're obligated by the demands of Islam, if that wasn't clear.
I agree. It's hard for people to grasp and they don't want to believe that some religion is really this way. At the same time, however, they'll gleefully point to Middle Age Christianity and ascribe to it the characteristics of modern Jihad.
Of course not all Muslims subscribe to this interpretation of scripture (most don't), but that doesn't change the validity of the interpretation for those who do.
I think it's an easy way to avoid having to consider the religious and cultural reasons behind what they do. It's easy to label people in order to make quick sense of something that we don't understand or don't want to acknowledge.
And for the record I think they're despicable human beings, but they do have a good faith belief in their religion.