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Show Of Hands October 22nd, 2014 12:42pm

ISIS has intercepted a shipment of U.S. weapons air-dropped to Kurdish militia, according to a video they've posted to YouTube. The Pentagon says 27 of 28 drops made it into the right hands. Is arming the Kurds the right thing to do?

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praetorioan Drexel Hill, PA
10/25/14 5:35 pm

A victory won by are troops will mean nothing to country we must allow them to win on there own but we should support them with everything but combat troops on the ground

CourierSeven
10/25/14 6:57 am

Not only are the Kurds kicking ass, they also have a large libertarian socialist population, we may see a 2nd Catalonia if they win. Viva la revolution!

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adeon777 Plano Texas
10/24/14 8:00 am

we need our men there, given free reign to do what they need to do to kick them in the teeth and wipe out these Nazi wannabes.

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NikkiKitti47
10/23/14 4:13 pm

No it was never a good idea those weapons will end up in wrong hands

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ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
10/23/14 10:55 am

Funny when we arm people to fight other people, we end up arming more people to fight the people we already armed. And it goes on and on...

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ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
10/23/14 10:56 am

people who branch off from other people*

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
10/23/14 10:59 am

Lemme rephrase. We arm people, who fight people, who split, one turns psychotic and turns on the other, now we arm the other to fight the psychotic people, Smh

Congressman Louisiana
10/24/14 9:20 am

You don't read up a lot on history do you?

njalstorm
10/23/14 10:40 am

No! Get our troops in their! Give our generals full power to conduct operations anyway they want with immunity from politicians and liability. War is supposed to be UGLY! We make it pretty, so here we go again.

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EarlyBird Portland
10/23/14 9:56 am

We shouldn't have gotten involved.

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carter1 Lakeland
10/25/14 4:53 pm

We need to though, if Isis has free Reign we open ourselfsup to attack

EarlyBird Portland
10/25/14 5:11 pm

Carter, I think we've spent enough money and man power in the Mid East. I would rather see us close our borders and take care of our own country. There are other countries out there that can take charge of the Mid East for a change.

muppethero pasco wa
10/23/14 2:27 am

They really need a "I have no formal knowledge on this matter and what I think really doesn't matter at all"

purplemonkey New York
10/22/14 10:04 pm

Arm your "friend" and they will become an armed enemy. We've been down this path before and it backfired on us.

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Spiritof76 USA 1776
10/23/14 2:53 am

Yep. This friendly group today could split into enemy sub-groups tomorrow. Middle East conventional wisdom.

spoodimane1 California
01/03/16 11:44 am

Except the history of Kurdish people contradicts that. Read the book 'the miracle of the Kurds.' In Northern Iraq they even name streets after cities in America. Kurds love the west and democracy, that will never change.

4boot LaTrineodeur, MN
10/22/14 8:33 pm

I wish there was a country called Turdistan...Don't arm those stinky Turds!

Rotavele Alabama
10/23/14 9:25 am

I wrote a short comical creationist roleplay story on a country called Twerkistan once for a forum I was a part of. A native dance was the Twerk and that is how the dance came into our culture today.

It was enjoyable.

backus85
10/22/14 7:51 pm

The package that was intercepted was said to be destroyed before Isis came into possession of it.

fotoguy22 Florida
10/22/14 7:48 pm

NO! I firmly believe ISIS will eventually end up with everything we send over there.

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DiggerDeep
10/22/14 7:25 pm

Everything that's happening now is out of everyone's hands, even the elites that brought all of this to be. Ebola, meddling in foreign affairs, terrorists, immigration influx, budget. There's only one ending to all this: The End Of This Superpower

Reaper31292 Israel
10/22/14 5:20 pm

The people who don't want to arm the Kurds need to take a much closer look at the Kurdish people. We absolutely should be arming them. We can count on them to not turn around on us.

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Spiritof76 USA 1776
10/23/14 2:55 am

And how do we know those arms will stay with the Kurds?

lvjenna
10/23/14 6:50 am

That is a bold assumption.

MericaRules
10/22/14 4:47 pm

I am tired of arming them today so they can fight us tomorrow. If we want ISIS gone that bad we should drone them to death. Stop giving weapons to people who hate us.

Rotavele Alabama
10/22/14 6:05 pm

Kurdistan has always been by Americas side.

Congressman Louisiana
10/23/14 2:38 am

Kurds = pro America. They actually fight for their freedom unlike people here who just complain.

TiredofIt Texas
10/22/14 4:43 pm

43% of respondents must want NO ONE to fight ISIS then. Good to know.....

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LordAF
10/22/14 3:53 pm

Irony is when we arm people to fight the people who we armed last.
It is a cycle that has been going on, really, since the Taliban. :/

Fact FL
10/22/14 2:13 pm

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Thorali69
10/22/14 2:03 pm

let's not give anything to other countries.

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Rotavele Alabama
10/22/14 6:06 pm

Kurdistan isn't a country.

theNobamist Silicon Valley
10/22/14 12:42 pm

Why aren't we carpet bombing the enemy? Notice how going to precision bombing fails. Ever since LBJ stopped Rolling Thunder we haven't had a decisive game-over-no-replay comclusion to a war.

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theNobamist Silicon Valley
10/22/14 12:42 pm

Really, since WWII.

MericaRules
10/22/14 4:48 pm

I'd disagree. The problem is that precision bombing works against legitimate nations but not cave-dwelling terrorists. We used it to great effect during gulf storm. It was a decisive victory.

bogusbasin
10/22/14 12:19 pm

We r not the police of world

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LibertyLover Pokemon 201461036800
10/22/14 11:20 am

80's-We're fighting in Afghanistan. let's arm our friend Osama Bin Laden.
90's-We're fighting Iran. Let's arm our friend Saddam Hussein
00's-They fight us
10's We're fighting Isis let's arm someone else who could become our enemy in the future.

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Congressman Louisiana
10/22/14 12:06 pm

You have no idea who the Kurds are...

LibertyLover Pokemon 201461036800
10/22/14 12:09 pm

I spent a year in Iraq. I know who the Kurds are. I also know that there are bad eggs in every group and historically they have been the ones to gain control and fight against us with our own weapons that we gave them a few years earlier.

duey in a fools paradise
10/22/14 1:05 pm

We never were at war with either of those countries you mentioned in the 80's and 90's. We did help the Afghani's and Iraqi's by supplying them with weapons. It worked out well for us in Afghanistan because it almost bankrupted the USSR.

Congressman Louisiana
10/22/14 2:11 pm

"historically they have been the ones to gain control and fight against us"

Absolute BS. I don't believe a single word you have said. Kurds aren't Baathists or Sunni, who were the main belligerents.

duey in a fools paradise
10/22/14 2:15 pm

Libertylover seems like a pretty confused person.

LibertyLover Pokemon 201461036800
10/22/14 2:19 pm

Confused? Have you looked into our history at all? We armed Osama Bin Laden. We armed Saddam Hussein. Arming "Rebels" has never worked out for us long term.

Congressman Louisiana
10/22/14 2:42 pm

Really? We've been arming the Kurds since the 1980s and they haven't turned on us and don't intend to. So go back to playing Call of Duty.

LibertyLover Pokemon 201461036800
10/22/14 2:56 pm

Congressman, may I ask how long you served in the military? Because as a veteran I find your Call of Duty comment very offensive.

Rotavele Alabama
10/22/14 6:09 pm

You're the only one thinking 80s weaponry can be used well against our aircraft again. No. Just no.

How much ISIS weaponry has hit the US? Not a single bullet.

LibertyLover Pokemon 201461036800
10/22/14 6:12 pm

Rotavele, I'm not sure what your point is. You make a great point for us doing nothing, which is what we really should be doing in this situation.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
10/22/14 11:20 am

No. The right thing to do is sit this out. The idea that we're arming folks who are the enemies of our allies, fighting with and arming people who hate us to kill others who hate us, all to enforce some arbitrary borders the UK drew at the turn of

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
10/22/14 11:20 am

The last century is ricockulous.

Congressman Louisiana
10/22/14 12:06 pm

The Kurds love America. Pick up a damn history book.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
10/22/14 10:58 am

Arming the Kurds makes at least some sense, but resupplying ISIS (we already armed them in the first place) does not.

getupbaby South City
10/22/14 10:39 am

When has handing out guns ever backfired on us?

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Congressman Louisiana
10/22/14 11:06 am

Never when it comes to the Kurds who love America and freedom.

theNobamist Silicon Valley
10/22/14 12:37 pm

But it backfired in Nam. Face it: Obama lost this thing, can't admit it, and won't do what is necessary to win because of kissing ass to liberals.

theNobamist Silicon Valley
10/22/14 12:40 pm

Or he wants to aid the caliphate by letting Ebola in the US and allowing ISIS to grow. The Kurds' only hope is 2016. No wonder they love America-- they're bending over and waiting 2 more year's like us-- they understand us.

gatsbyxxv
10/22/14 10:39 am

At present what is the alternative? We know bombing is not working. We need boots on the ground and as terrible choice as this may be, it is better then nothing. Frankly, it's a pretty backward way to win a war.

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Soz520 Belle Mead
10/22/14 10:16 am

NOT OUR WAR... We are not the world police!

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Congressman Louisiana
10/22/14 10:22 am

It is our war.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
10/22/14 11:21 am

SOZ - exactly.

Ireland Michigan
10/22/14 2:38 pm

Unfortunately it is our war, as it was American imperialism and our protection of oil interests in the Middle East that allowed ISIS to gain power.

michaels
10/22/14 7:30 pm

If you don't think ISIL has their eyes set on us, you're living in a fantasy. It is our fight. If not now, it will be when they are stronger.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
10/22/14 11:35 pm

MICH - see, that's the problem with how this group has been hyped. No one really thinks this band of 30-40K could really do much in the way of hurting the US directly through invasion. They're clearly not as powerful as say china or russia, hell

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
10/22/14 11:38 pm

In an all out war, I'd put my money on El Salvador vs ISIL. Would they LIKE to overthrow the US? Absolutely. Do they have a chance in hell of succeeding? Absolutely not. It's not our fight, but they want us in it. Why? Cuz US intervention in the ME

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
10/22/14 11:38 pm

Is the best recruiting tool they have.

praetorioan Drexel Hill, PA
10/25/14 5:39 pm

They may not be able to beat us but they can hurt USS hell of a lot and still lose

Congressman Louisiana
10/22/14 10:10 am

We should be doing more to help our Kurdish friends. Special forces advisors, gunships, SEAL team for Intel gathering, QRF rangers. I'd want direct action supporting a Kurdish led offensive.

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RINOTom Peoria, IL
10/22/14 10:03 am

Just want to point out that there are no partisan filters on this vote. I know a lot here grew up during the Iraq War, but it is NOT "conservative" or "liberal" to be a hawk or a dove. Foreign policy views don't fit on the spectrum.

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duey in a fools paradise
10/22/14 9:47 am

Actually several military experts have said the video showing a box of grenades aren't ours, we haven't made grenades with the pineapple look for years and years. So the video may be bogus. Any Military guys, can you confirm the grenade thing?

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Congressman Louisiana
10/22/14 10:06 am

Could be surplus gear. May not be issued but still in supply.

RoDe Latinus wordsus
10/22/14 10:09 am

It would probably make sense that we would send them potentially inferior surplus gear when you think about it.

Congressman Louisiana
10/22/14 10:11 am

I'd rather it go to the Kurdish than our police forces.

duey in a fools paradise
10/22/14 11:03 am

Congressman; smartest comment yet!

Tariq88 Utah
10/22/14 9:27 am

I don't know I'm not an expert, but it seems most of the problems in the middle east come from us arming people. I have no clue though maybe it wouldn't be a problem in this case who knows, but just in case I say no.

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wittkevind Nashville
10/22/14 2:06 pm

Glad you know not to have a strong opinion when you know nothing about it. Takes a big man to admit that. I hope you look into the Kurds. Very interesting group of people who have been nothing but oppressed yet are still alive and well.

GOODLOOKING 37174
10/22/14 9:21 am

They surely deserve a standing chance, and only one of 28 or 27 was intercepted by ISIS (hypothetically)

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jonesdan beautiful south Acworth
10/22/14 9:12 am

I will never get behind a plan that involves dropping weapons into a warzone, in some far-off land. and, don't get me started on the irony surrounding gun restrictions in this country vs. airdrops of artillery into another.

RoDe Latinus wordsus
10/22/14 10:11 am

If we become an anarchic war zone I, a liberal democrat, will support you having the right to whatever firearms you deem necessary.

jonesdan beautiful south Acworth
10/22/14 10:26 am

who the fuck do you think you are!? that you could choose to support or not support my rights. get a grip on yourself.

RoDe Latinus wordsus
10/22/14 10:41 am

Haha you're damn right I do. It's called living in a democracy. We all determine each others rights. The point was meant to indicate the difference between war torn Syria and the US.

suppressedID That is my secret Cap
10/22/14 9:03 am

When hasn't this worked out?


What?

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Congressman Louisiana
10/22/14 8:50 am

Do people here really not know who the Kurds are?! And these are people that vote and spew ignorance. People the Kurds have ways been our friends. They hate ISIS. They hate Taliban. They hate Baathists. They are more pro freedom than most of you here

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CudOfCow Oregon
10/22/14 9:53 am

I dont usually agree with you congressman but, you are spot on with this one.

CudOfCow Oregon
10/22/14 9:56 am

I think there is a large percentage of people that probably couldnt tell you the difference between the groups you listed.

raywygo Pittsburgh
10/22/14 7:58 am

Honestly who else are we gonna arm? There our best bet right now.

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ShineyLib Jeans
10/22/14 7:49 am

We should arm as many people as possible

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
10/22/14 7:23 am

Kurds: Historically pro-American skilled-fighters who value true freedom in a part of the world where 2 of the 3 are rarely true. Yes. Arm them to the teeth!

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Spiritof76 USA 1776
10/22/14 7:35 am

Wasn't it the Taliban that fought Soviets in Afghanistan in the '80's?

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
10/22/14 8:32 am

Yes. And what correlation is there between Taliban & Kurds? None.

Spiritof76 USA 1776
10/22/14 9:57 am

We provided weapons and financial support to the Taliban to help them defeat the Soviets. We thought they were on our side. Fast-forward to 2001...

think4yourself Not a safe space
10/22/14 11:04 am

I don't think we ever really thought the Taliban were good guys, it was an enemy of our enemy situation that helped us defeat the soviets who were a tremendously bigger problem at the time.

RangersLTW
10/22/14 9:43 pm

No it was the Mujahadeen that fought the Soviets the Taliban came later

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
10/22/14 9:52 pm

Kurds are neither Taliban nor Muhajadeen. They are the Kurds. Their history runs parallel w/others by virtue of geography, not ideology.

Spiritof76 USA 1776
10/22/14 7:22 am

Damnit, NO! Haven't we learned our lesson yet! *thinking of the next war...against the Kurds, circa 2030*

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Congressman Louisiana
10/22/14 10:14 am

Why would we ever go to war against the Kurds?

roundsquare round square
10/22/14 7:10 am

We shouldn't be involved over there anyway.

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2katz I live in Nebraska
10/22/14 7:09 am

It's better than sending our guys there. The Kurds have some skin in the game, and are good fighters.

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Nos4at2 demented weirdo
10/22/14 7:06 am

yeah, but airdrops are not the way to go about it, they are weapons not Chinese takeout.

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elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
10/22/14 7:27 am

It so far has been the only way to *get* anything into the hands of Kurds rather than everyone else on other side. No one in area will permit anything to get into Kurdish hands becuz they are pro-American warriors of repute.

CudOfCow Oregon
10/22/14 9:55 am

its still funny. reminds me of the movie "spies like us."

Crawdaddy11 MIMNAZMN
10/22/14 6:37 am

Dropping bombs on ISIS would be the right thing to do.

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SonofMetal Heavy Metal
10/22/14 7:08 am

Ya because so far that's slowed them down and left 4 journalists beheaded

Crawdaddy11 MIMNAZMN
10/22/14 7:16 am

They can't behead journalists when they are dead

SonofMetal Heavy Metal
10/22/14 8:11 am

Ya tell me how that works out for you

KingRodney Enjoy the Decline
10/22/14 6:33 am

Yep, getting even more involved in another war sounds like a great idea. With our economic situation and reputation in the middle east, what could go wrong? People, have we learned nothing from Vietnam.

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elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
10/22/14 7:31 am

Yeah cuz Vietnamese & Koreans labeled American "the Great Satan" & stated categorically, followed by documented actions, that their intent was to fold USA into their califate or behead all who resist. We should just mind our own business.

KingRodney Enjoy the Decline
10/22/14 8:26 am

Yeah, thats the thing, they didn't but we bombed them anyway. Whts ur point?

praetorioan Drexel Hill, PA
10/25/14 5:46 pm

Vietnam was a completely different situation. The Kurds are fighting for there freedom against a glorified terrorist group with a flag. In Vietnam we were wrong because we fought against the group that fought for freedom.

praetorioan Drexel Hill, PA
10/25/14 5:48 pm

Also South Koreans don't hate us we still have troops there and a great relationship besides Japan they are one of our top allies in Asia

KingRodney Enjoy the Decline
10/25/14 11:53 pm

The Kurds aren't fighting very well. And while all this is going on, we're throwing money that we don't have straight down the drain, putting us a little more into debt because this will be a drawn out war. While we're bombing them, its easier...

KingRodney Enjoy the Decline
10/25/14 11:55 pm

...for them to recruit new fighters because their homes and such get destroyed. So we're forced to rely on the "body count" tactic like in Vietnam. This is just another pointless war.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
10/22/14 6:33 am

How about we keep the weapons and money here.

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rons screw politicians
10/22/14 6:33 am

Dropping the big one would be better.

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political Georgia
10/22/14 6:28 am

In war, it is better to have no weapons than insufficient weapons that give inexperienced people the false hope
of defeating ISIS. Giving weapons can really backfire quickly if not done correctly. On the flip-side, if the weapons given can actually

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political Georgia
10/22/14 6:29 am

...defeat ISIS with us giving air support, I'm okay with it. I just worry about the weapons being sufficient.

idijdjfjdjjdosp
10/22/14 6:19 am

They might turn on us, so we should not give them big stuff. Small arms and ammo are ok.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
10/22/14 7:34 am

Kurds are only historically profoundly pro-America freedom-lovers, other than Israel, in entire region. Only faction reliably worthy of strong support & they are fierce & skilled warriors.

idijdjfjdjjdosp
10/23/14 5:48 pm

They might turn on us. They want a nation, and we may disagree with them about it in the future.