ISIS has intercepted a shipment of U.S. weapons air-dropped to Kurdish militia, according to a video they've posted to YouTube. The Pentagon says 27 of 28 drops made it into the right hands. Is arming the Kurds the right thing to do?
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A victory won by are troops will mean nothing to country we must allow them to win on there own but we should support them with everything but combat troops on the ground
Not only are the Kurds kicking ass, they also have a large libertarian socialist population, we may see a 2nd Catalonia if they win. Viva la revolution!
we need our men there, given free reign to do what they need to do to kick them in the teeth and wipe out these Nazi wannabes.
No it was never a good idea those weapons will end up in wrong hands
Funny when we arm people to fight other people, we end up arming more people to fight the people we already armed. And it goes on and on...
people who branch off from other people*
Lemme rephrase. We arm people, who fight people, who split, one turns psychotic and turns on the other, now we arm the other to fight the psychotic people, Smh
You don't read up a lot on history do you?
No! Get our troops in their! Give our generals full power to conduct operations anyway they want with immunity from politicians and liability. War is supposed to be UGLY! We make it pretty, so here we go again.
We shouldn't have gotten involved.
We need to though, if Isis has free Reign we open ourselfsup to attack
Carter, I think we've spent enough money and man power in the Mid East. I would rather see us close our borders and take care of our own country. There are other countries out there that can take charge of the Mid East for a change.
They really need a "I have no formal knowledge on this matter and what I think really doesn't matter at all"
Arm your "friend" and they will become an armed enemy. We've been down this path before and it backfired on us.
Yep. This friendly group today could split into enemy sub-groups tomorrow. Middle East conventional wisdom.
Except the history of Kurdish people contradicts that. Read the book 'the miracle of the Kurds.' In Northern Iraq they even name streets after cities in America. Kurds love the west and democracy, that will never change.
I wish there was a country called Turdistan...Don't arm those stinky Turds!
I wrote a short comical creationist roleplay story on a country called Twerkistan once for a forum I was a part of. A native dance was the Twerk and that is how the dance came into our culture today.
It was enjoyable.
The package that was intercepted was said to be destroyed before Isis came into possession of it.
NO! I firmly believe ISIS will eventually end up with everything we send over there.
Everything that's happening now is out of everyone's hands, even the elites that brought all of this to be. Ebola, meddling in foreign affairs, terrorists, immigration influx, budget. There's only one ending to all this: The End Of This Superpower
The people who don't want to arm the Kurds need to take a much closer look at the Kurdish people. We absolutely should be arming them. We can count on them to not turn around on us.
And how do we know those arms will stay with the Kurds?
That is a bold assumption.
I am tired of arming them today so they can fight us tomorrow. If we want ISIS gone that bad we should drone them to death. Stop giving weapons to people who hate us.
Kurdistan has always been by Americas side.
Kurds = pro America. They actually fight for their freedom unlike people here who just complain.
43% of respondents must want NO ONE to fight ISIS then. Good to know.....
Irony is when we arm people to fight the people who we armed last.
It is a cycle that has been going on, really, since the Taliban. :/
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let's not give anything to other countries.
Kurdistan isn't a country.
Why aren't we carpet bombing the enemy? Notice how going to precision bombing fails. Ever since LBJ stopped Rolling Thunder we haven't had a decisive game-over-no-replay comclusion to a war.
Really, since WWII.
I'd disagree. The problem is that precision bombing works against legitimate nations but not cave-dwelling terrorists. We used it to great effect during gulf storm. It was a decisive victory.
We r not the police of world
80's-We're fighting in Afghanistan. let's arm our friend Osama Bin Laden.
90's-We're fighting Iran. Let's arm our friend Saddam Hussein
00's-They fight us
10's We're fighting Isis let's arm someone else who could become our enemy in the future.
You have no idea who the Kurds are...
I spent a year in Iraq. I know who the Kurds are. I also know that there are bad eggs in every group and historically they have been the ones to gain control and fight against us with our own weapons that we gave them a few years earlier.
We never were at war with either of those countries you mentioned in the 80's and 90's. We did help the Afghani's and Iraqi's by supplying them with weapons. It worked out well for us in Afghanistan because it almost bankrupted the USSR.
"historically they have been the ones to gain control and fight against us"
Absolute BS. I don't believe a single word you have said. Kurds aren't Baathists or Sunni, who were the main belligerents.
Libertylover seems like a pretty confused person.
Confused? Have you looked into our history at all? We armed Osama Bin Laden. We armed Saddam Hussein. Arming "Rebels" has never worked out for us long term.
Really? We've been arming the Kurds since the 1980s and they haven't turned on us and don't intend to. So go back to playing Call of Duty.
Congressman, may I ask how long you served in the military? Because as a veteran I find your Call of Duty comment very offensive.
You're the only one thinking 80s weaponry can be used well against our aircraft again. No. Just no.
How much ISIS weaponry has hit the US? Not a single bullet.
Rotavele, I'm not sure what your point is. You make a great point for us doing nothing, which is what we really should be doing in this situation.
No. The right thing to do is sit this out. The idea that we're arming folks who are the enemies of our allies, fighting with and arming people who hate us to kill others who hate us, all to enforce some arbitrary borders the UK drew at the turn of
The last century is ricockulous.
The Kurds love America. Pick up a damn history book.
Arming the Kurds makes at least some sense, but resupplying ISIS (we already armed them in the first place) does not.
When has handing out guns ever backfired on us?
Never when it comes to the Kurds who love America and freedom.
But it backfired in Nam. Face it: Obama lost this thing, can't admit it, and won't do what is necessary to win because of kissing ass to liberals.
Or he wants to aid the caliphate by letting Ebola in the US and allowing ISIS to grow. The Kurds' only hope is 2016. No wonder they love America-- they're bending over and waiting 2 more year's like us-- they understand us.
At present what is the alternative? We know bombing is not working. We need boots on the ground and as terrible choice as this may be, it is better then nothing. Frankly, it's a pretty backward way to win a war.
NOT OUR WAR... We are not the world police!
It is our war.
SOZ - exactly.
Unfortunately it is our war, as it was American imperialism and our protection of oil interests in the Middle East that allowed ISIS to gain power.
If you don't think ISIL has their eyes set on us, you're living in a fantasy. It is our fight. If not now, it will be when they are stronger.
MICH - see, that's the problem with how this group has been hyped. No one really thinks this band of 30-40K could really do much in the way of hurting the US directly through invasion. They're clearly not as powerful as say china or russia, hell
In an all out war, I'd put my money on El Salvador vs ISIL. Would they LIKE to overthrow the US? Absolutely. Do they have a chance in hell of succeeding? Absolutely not. It's not our fight, but they want us in it. Why? Cuz US intervention in the ME
Is the best recruiting tool they have.
They may not be able to beat us but they can hurt USS hell of a lot and still lose
We should be doing more to help our Kurdish friends. Special forces advisors, gunships, SEAL team for Intel gathering, QRF rangers. I'd want direct action supporting a Kurdish led offensive.
Just want to point out that there are no partisan filters on this vote. I know a lot here grew up during the Iraq War, but it is NOT "conservative" or "liberal" to be a hawk or a dove. Foreign policy views don't fit on the spectrum.
Actually several military experts have said the video showing a box of grenades aren't ours, we haven't made grenades with the pineapple look for years and years. So the video may be bogus. Any Military guys, can you confirm the grenade thing?
Could be surplus gear. May not be issued but still in supply.
It would probably make sense that we would send them potentially inferior surplus gear when you think about it.
I'd rather it go to the Kurdish than our police forces.
Congressman; smartest comment yet!
I don't know I'm not an expert, but it seems most of the problems in the middle east come from us arming people. I have no clue though maybe it wouldn't be a problem in this case who knows, but just in case I say no.
Glad you know not to have a strong opinion when you know nothing about it. Takes a big man to admit that. I hope you look into the Kurds. Very interesting group of people who have been nothing but oppressed yet are still alive and well.
They surely deserve a standing chance, and only one of 28 or 27 was intercepted by ISIS (hypothetically)
I will never get behind a plan that involves dropping weapons into a warzone, in some far-off land. and, don't get me started on the irony surrounding gun restrictions in this country vs. airdrops of artillery into another.
If we become an anarchic war zone I, a liberal democrat, will support you having the right to whatever firearms you deem necessary.
who the fuck do you think you are!? that you could choose to support or not support my rights. get a grip on yourself.
Haha you're damn right I do. It's called living in a democracy. We all determine each others rights. The point was meant to indicate the difference between war torn Syria and the US.
When hasn't this worked out?
Do people here really not know who the Kurds are?! And these are people that vote and spew ignorance. People the Kurds have ways been our friends. They hate ISIS. They hate Taliban. They hate Baathists. They are more pro freedom than most of you here
I dont usually agree with you congressman but, you are spot on with this one.
I think there is a large percentage of people that probably couldnt tell you the difference between the groups you listed.
Honestly who else are we gonna arm? There our best bet right now.
We should arm as many people as possible
Kurds: Historically pro-American skilled-fighters who value true freedom in a part of the world where 2 of the 3 are rarely true. Yes. Arm them to the teeth!
Wasn't it the Taliban that fought Soviets in Afghanistan in the '80's?
Yes. And what correlation is there between Taliban & Kurds? None.
We provided weapons and financial support to the Taliban to help them defeat the Soviets. We thought they were on our side. Fast-forward to 2001...
I don't think we ever really thought the Taliban were good guys, it was an enemy of our enemy situation that helped us defeat the soviets who were a tremendously bigger problem at the time.
No it was the Mujahadeen that fought the Soviets the Taliban came later
Kurds are neither Taliban nor Muhajadeen. They are the Kurds. Their history runs parallel w/others by virtue of geography, not ideology.
Kurdish history timeline:
Damnit, NO! Haven't we learned our lesson yet! *thinking of the next war...against the Kurds, circa 2030*
Why would we ever go to war against the Kurds?
We shouldn't be involved over there anyway.
It's better than sending our guys there. The Kurds have some skin in the game, and are good fighters.
yeah, but airdrops are not the way to go about it, they are weapons not Chinese takeout.
It so far has been the only way to *get* anything into the hands of Kurds rather than everyone else on other side. No one in area will permit anything to get into Kurdish hands becuz they are pro-American warriors of repute.
its still funny. reminds me of the movie "spies like us."
Dropping bombs on ISIS would be the right thing to do.
Ya because so far that's slowed them down and left 4 journalists beheaded
They can't behead journalists when they are dead
Ya tell me how that works out for you
Yep, getting even more involved in another war sounds like a great idea. With our economic situation and reputation in the middle east, what could go wrong? People, have we learned nothing from Vietnam.
Yeah cuz Vietnamese & Koreans labeled American "the Great Satan" & stated categorically, followed by documented actions, that their intent was to fold USA into their califate or behead all who resist. We should just mind our own business.
Yeah, thats the thing, they didn't but we bombed them anyway. Whts ur point?
Vietnam was a completely different situation. The Kurds are fighting for there freedom against a glorified terrorist group with a flag. In Vietnam we were wrong because we fought against the group that fought for freedom.
Also South Koreans don't hate us we still have troops there and a great relationship besides Japan they are one of our top allies in Asia
The Kurds aren't fighting very well. And while all this is going on, we're throwing money that we don't have straight down the drain, putting us a little more into debt because this will be a drawn out war. While we're bombing them, its easier...
...for them to recruit new fighters because their homes and such get destroyed. So we're forced to rely on the "body count" tactic like in Vietnam. This is just another pointless war.
How about we keep the weapons and money here.
Dropping the big one would be better.
In war, it is better to have no weapons than insufficient weapons that give inexperienced people the false hope
of defeating ISIS. Giving weapons can really backfire quickly if not done correctly. On the flip-side, if the weapons given can actually
...defeat ISIS with us giving air support, I'm okay with it. I just worry about the weapons being sufficient.
They might turn on us, so we should not give them big stuff. Small arms and ammo are ok.
Kurds are only historically profoundly pro-America freedom-lovers, other than Israel, in entire region. Only faction reliably worthy of strong support & they are fierce & skilled warriors.
They might turn on us. They want a nation, and we may disagree with them about it in the future.