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Squidboy October 21st, 2014 7:53pm

'Poor kids who do everything right don't do better than rich kids who do everything wrong.'

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jrrob CT
10/22/14 2:06 pm

What defines "better"? Financially, probably not. Other dimensions of a personal life, subjective.

steelcity Pittsburgh
10/22/14 8:14 am

Poor kids who do everything right*

*Except choosing an expensive diploma mill for an education and isolating themselves from opportunity

steelcity Pittsburgh
10/22/14 8:16 am

Rich kids who do everything wrong*

*dropping out of high school to work at and learn intimately the family business which they will inherit is considered a wrong decision.

steelcity Pittsburgh
10/22/14 8:18 am

This article and graph have fundamental flaws.

Batmanluver
10/21/14 7:01 pm

This is to LunaAzul, not really based on environment dost mean they will raise their children that way in all cases

LunaAzul
10/21/14 6:49 pm

Each kid will reap what they deserve through their children.
The educated poor kid will have educated children that will continue moving up.
The uneducated poor kid will have uneducated children that will move further down.

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LunaAzul
10/21/14 6:50 pm

The last paragraph should say the uneducated rich kid*

dxstap Bloomington, Indiana
10/21/14 4:23 pm

Poor kids have a bigger hill to climb. Rich kids have Mommy & Daddy to fix it.

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Squidboy Snarkapottamus
10/21/14 9:44 pm

That summarizes the entire article.

Arkansas123 Neoconservative
10/21/14 4:09 pm

If I'm reading the chart right, poor kids who graduate college end up in the top two income quintiles 41% of the time.

By comparison, rich kids who drop out of high school end up there 19% of the time.

Seems fair!

bethanyq Ess Eff
10/21/14 2:14 pm

Wow. So if I'm reading the graph right, it looks like poor kids who graduate from college improve their chances to just slightly better than pure chance in terms of which quintile they end up in as adults, while rich kids who drop out of high school

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bethanyq Ess Eff
10/21/14 2:15 pm

are most likely to wind up middle class, with a handful of outliers being either wealthy or poor. Very interesting.

bethanyq Ess Eff
10/21/14 2:17 pm

Lower* middle class I should say. But still. No likelier to be truly poor than a poor kid with a degree. That is a pretty powerful stat. I wonder what happens when you compare rich kids who drop out of *college*.

Mattwall1
10/21/14 1:25 pm

It's too much if a generalization for me to say true, but I do understand the point it is trying to convey

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TomM
10/21/14 1:17 pm

It may be correct in some situations, but the opposite can also be true. This is one of the worst generalizations I have seen in a while.

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Squidboy Snarkapottamus
10/21/14 1:26 pm

It is a generalization - actual results may vary. But the study looks at large numbers of people. you could consider it an '80%' rule in this case. Another interesting stat - 50% of people remain in the economic quintile they were born into.

TomM
10/21/14 2:06 pm

I don't disagree with the 50% but there's a long way from that to the 100% the article claims.

TomM
10/21/14 2:08 pm

There are a lot of examples where children from poor families are very successful and the opposite also happens regularly.

Squidboy Snarkapottamus
10/21/14 2:10 pm

Yes - but it's the exception. If you're born in the wealthiest quintile - you have an 80% chance of staying there. if you are born in the poorest quintile, you have a 5% chance of making it into the richest. The article doesn't claim 100%.

TomM
10/21/14 2:14 pm

True, but those who do make everything right are those who do end up making more, and those who don't are much more likely to stay where their family were or do worse. If you're from a well to do family you're more likely to get the tools to do

TomM
10/21/14 2:15 pm

...better while the families with less resources are less likely to give their children the push needed to improve their situation.

think4yourself Not a safe space
10/21/14 7:30 pm

Successful people are more likely to teach their kids how to be successful. Unsuccessful people are more likely to teach the traits that make them unsuccessful to their kids.

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10/21/14 12:55 pm

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