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droo October 21st, 2014 6:52pm

ISIS despises separation of church and state, abhors women's rights, and has banned both the teaching of evolution in schools and homosexual marriage. Does the philosophy of ISIS more closely resemble American conservatism or American liberalism?

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ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
10/23/14 9:36 am

Wow, Just wow. To compare two corrupt parties to a lunatic, psychotic, group who is intolerant of other religions but their own, is fucking ignorant. And some were comparing the Tea Party to them. Not the Politically Correct party, Just like

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ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
10/23/14 9:41 am

like these jackasses who compare Obama or Bush to Hitler. IGNORANT. Quit making Atheists/Christians whatnot look like assholes. I hate stereotypes and I come upon nice people who are good Atheists and christians and they shouldn't have to prove

ladyniner81 no hope for humanity
10/23/14 9:42 am

themselves to me. I hate both parties equally, but neither are like those animals.

Reagan84 Lakewood,Colorado
10/22/14 9:41 pm

They don't resemble people,blood thirsty animals is more like it

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HappyLez No Worries... Be Happy
10/22/14 4:49 pm

Perfect example of what Ignorance and Hate evolves into....

brenstal Florida
10/22/14 2:50 pm

No party in the US is as restrictive and destructive as ISIS.

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fburgnate Mechanicsville, VA
10/22/14 2:37 pm

And people wonder why we can't discuss/debate politics in a civil tone, anymore... Maybe because questions like this are even contemplated as being fair and/or accurate? Just wow...

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droo Santa Barbara
10/22/14 5:31 pm

A conservative suggested that ISIS was liberal. Where were the comparison police then? Besides, you're the one drawing conclusions. I merely listed actions of ISIS and asked which side of the spectrum they'd better fit.

fburgnate Mechanicsville, VA
10/22/14 5:55 pm

Then the conservative helped make my point, as well; no need to one-up the crazy.
As to your second, argument, so I could ask you who is Obama more like: al Queda or ISIS? Would that would be a totally legitimate question or a morally repugnant one?

droo Santa Barbara
10/22/14 6:01 pm

He'd probably align more with Al-Queda. Any comparison is legitimate. Might be far-fetched. But there are usually parallels between ideologies, and saying X ideology is closer to Z ideology than Y ideology is is not wrong at all.

droo Santa Barbara
10/22/14 6:01 pm

Also, do you assume I like Obama? Lol.

fburgnate Mechanicsville, VA
10/22/14 6:30 pm

First, again - wow.
Second, nope. Just thought I'd give you multiple avenues to demonstrate how far you were willing to take your argument(s).

Krystina Let Freedom Reign
10/22/14 2:08 pm

ISIS is an atrocity. To compare either the right or left wing to them greatly insults both.

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MJSeals J.D.
10/22/14 1:07 pm

They don't match anyone's ideology in the U.S. The mass killings and terrorizing of people is neither a left nor right idea, also, I find it insulting to be have someone align me as closer to terrorists.

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fredd TrumpLand
10/22/14 11:33 am

Lol droo. Kinda true!

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suppressedID That is my secret Cap
10/22/14 9:01 am

C'mon Conservatives: even you know that denial is NOT the river in Egypt.

Own it.

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Doopy Remedial Americanism
10/21/14 11:10 pm

Left. They want large, intrusive government, hate freedom of religion, flip out when you dare dissent from their moral code.

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Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/22/14 4:18 am

The left doesn't hate freedom of religion, they just hate religion IN government; something ISIS and the right seems to agree on.

geoag02 Dallas, TX
10/21/14 9:35 pm

I said left wingers because they seam to be more accepting if ISIS but really the correct answer is neither.

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citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/21/14 9:54 pm

Accepting of ISIS...?

Were you high on psychedelic drugs when you found this "information"?

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/21/14 9:58 pm

Or maybe "more accepting" is that many fewer liberals are in favor of nuking the shit out of every suspected ISIS soldier...?

FlipFlopGirl Sic semper tyrannis
10/21/14 8:39 pm

I'd say neither are a fair comparison to be honest.

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thebarr
10/21/14 5:21 pm

Write loaded questions much?

If conservative are ISIS, then liberals are Mao. After ISIS murders several million more people, then we'll talk.

Of course, both comparisons are stupid. But you started it!

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droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 6:04 pm

I didn't start it- a conservative did, and I merely asked the question. But I'm glad you realized it's like calling liberals Mao. At least you acknowledge it. Cons in here act like they're innocent of making unjust comparisons.

political Georgia
10/21/14 6:13 pm

Yes! I started this. I started this because I misread a question. Drooski took this to the next level.

GlockMan1 Alabama
10/21/14 5:08 pm

NEITHER. Islam is a false religion and along with it comes atrocities we have witnessed in the last few months.

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citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/21/14 7:20 pm

So religious people that commit atrocities is evidence of false religion?

Interesting.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/21/14 7:30 pm

I could likely go on for hours, but I'll stop there.

Thank you, Glock, for giving me a fantastic tool to recognize false religions with.

GlockMan1 Alabama
10/21/14 7:38 pm

The last time I spoke with you, YOU WERE AN ATHEIST. As an atheist you can't discern the difference between the sheep and the wolves. OH WAIT...you claimed to be a Christian at one time. YOU would be the perfect example of a church hypocrite.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/21/14 7:41 pm

Translation for glockman: "I have no ideal how to refute what you posted."

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/21/14 7:43 pm

So... Atrocities by Christian wolves are okay and are not evidence of false religion, but atrocities by others are totally evidence of false religion?

Methinks there might be a flaw in there somewhere...

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/21/14 7:53 pm

I have a strong urge to post a poll:

"Christian wolves cannot commit atrocities. Agree or disagree"

The baffled posts that followed would be fantastic.

GlockMan1 Alabama
10/22/14 4:57 am

CORRECT. The problem is they are not Christians....just like you falsely claimed for many years.

droo Santa Barbara
10/22/14 9:32 am

Christian atrocities cannot be attributed to Christianity because those who commit atrocities in the name of Christianity aren't true Christians? Could it not also be this way for Muslims?

GlockMan1 Alabama
10/22/14 10:42 am

Could be EXCEPT the name ISIS. Do you know what the letters stand for?

fredd TrumpLand
10/22/14 11:32 am

Talk about living up to your username!!!

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/22/14 2:30 pm

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10/22/14 2:32 pm

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citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/22/14 2:33 pm

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citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/22/14 2:35 pm

Imbibing Sand; Inciting Sarrow

fredd TrumpLand
10/22/14 2:35 pm

Irritating Samurai Is Suicidal!

fredd TrumpLand
10/22/14 2:36 pm

And you bust me up with Imbibing Sand!

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/22/14 2:37 pm

This needs to be a poll. :-)

One moment.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/22/14 2:42 pm

Is She..... Isn't She

gjb2779
10/23/14 7:47 pm

I had no idea the popes who ordered the crusades were not true Christians....fascinating.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
10/23/14 7:50 pm

Nope. They weren't the REAL church. They misunderstood the true meaning of GOD'S Word.

Thankfully, Glock's denomination discovered the TRUTH.

Brandon1995 San Francisco
10/21/14 4:50 pm

Yeah, islamic extremist are right-wing.

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MurrayHitchens The Truth Wins Out
10/21/14 4:48 pm

Mainstream right wingers are to theocracy as mainstream left wingers are to communism. Here's a funny vid about half of the analogy. youtu.be/KYV7KWQ-fY4

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gamerguy217
10/21/14 2:28 pm

That's a really stupid question.

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Brandon1995 San Francisco
10/21/14 4:47 pm

Because the answer is obvious?

gamerguy217
10/21/14 4:58 pm

Uhh no. This would be the equivalent to me calling liberals Marxists.

droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 6:03 pm

No, it wouldn't. It'd be the equivalent of saying Marxists are more similar to liberals than conservatives, which would be true. I take no offense.

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/21/14 2:14 pm

Conservatives can compare Obama to Mao and Stalin but get butthurt when drooski asks a poll about Isis... Smh

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droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 2:28 pm

It's not a double standard if you have Jesus

Abolitionist Voice of the people
10/21/14 3:43 pm

They can dish it out but cry like babies when you throw it at them.

They're too stupid to realize how their Christian rhetoric is exactly like the groups they hate the most.

commonsense America isnt racist
10/21/14 2:11 pm

Sounds like a typical Islamic country.

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MrMilkdud
10/21/14 1:52 pm

Also, where are the liberal hordes crying out about your islamophobia?

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MrMilkdud
10/21/14 1:51 pm

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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MrMilkdud
10/21/14 1:53 pm

Damn right.

JennaF sunflower state of mind
10/21/14 4:54 pm

Imagine if a Muslim had said about ISIS what MrMilkDud just said about ISIS.

JennaF sunflower state of mind
10/21/14 4:54 pm

But honestly, what issues do you think they have right?

MrMilkdud
10/21/14 5:27 pm

You probably shouldn't take my answer any more seriously than I'm taking this question.

Citing random commonalities between some terror group and some other mainstream group does not constitute a moral equivalence between the two groups.

MrMilkdud
10/21/14 5:29 pm

I could find shared opinions between ISIS and just about any other group, but I wouldn't make a poll drawing a parallel between those two groups because reasonable people would dismiss it out of hand.

MrMilkdud
10/21/14 5:50 pm

Oh, and for your second question- I disagree with their attitude toward women as extensions of their fathers or husbands, and I disagree with their teaching creationism as a science and to the exclusion of evolution.

MrMilkdud
10/21/14 5:52 pm

And, at the risk of someone coming along and picking a fight over this, I agree with them on their gay marriage ban.
Although I suspect their method for banning gay marriage probably involves corporal and capital punishment, which I would oppose

JennaF sunflower state of mind
10/21/14 5:54 pm

I appreciate your honesty.

rons screw politicians
10/21/14 1:48 pm

The left only tolerates what they do.

Brandon1995 San Francisco
10/21/14 4:51 pm

We do not tolerate far-right conservative islamic extremist.

USA1st
10/21/14 1:36 pm

I use to enjoy some of your polls, but now every single one of them are horrible.

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droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 1:45 pm

Not even the one with the Reagan quote? I found it pretty damn enlightening. Never knew trees caused more pollution than cars until the good Lord Reagan professed it.

USA1st
10/21/14 1:52 pm

Woah...dude, how do we agree 75%? lol

droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 2:04 pm

illuminati

duey in a fools paradise
10/21/14 12:58 pm

Crap question, wonder why we are so divided? How about this, which party compares with the communist party? Demo craps of course...or who keeps the poor, poor? Uhhh...democrats of course, come on you didn't compare conservatives to the Taliban yet...

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droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 1:06 pm

Yeah, ISIS is closer to conservatism than liberalism just as totalitarian communism is closer to liberalism than conservatism. Calm yer tits, I apply comparisons equally, regardless of whether or not they piss people off. :-)

duey in a fools paradise
10/21/14 1:30 pm

I'm calm its just your lovely question is so damned biased its a joke. Hahaha

droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 1:34 pm

Yeah, my questions are biased. Sue me.

KudosToYou California
10/21/14 1:36 pm

This isn't at all one-sided, that "Liberals are commies" line, or similar variants, is probably one of the most common comments on SoH.

duey in a fools paradise
10/21/14 1:44 pm

Ok what's your full name and address?

duey in a fools paradise
10/21/14 1:47 pm

Hell I'm the king of biased questions but not against all of one group mine are usually about what a puke the President is.

thebarr
10/21/14 5:45 pm

At least drooski is calling a spade a spade by admitting biased questions. I can respect that.

duey in a fools paradise
10/21/14 5:49 pm

Once he's called out on it...

Joshua77 Jesus is Lord
10/21/14 12:38 pm

It actually more closely resembles the American left but in this way: the American left wants there to be only one institution, the institution of government. ISIS also wants there only to be one institution, the institution of Islam. On the other

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Joshua77 Jesus is Lord
10/21/14 12:40 pm

hand, American conservatives believe that all human institutions, such as the institution of faith, the institution of the Christian church, the institution of government, the institution of family, the institution of community, etc. all play an

droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 12:40 pm

You're trying too hard.





A+ for effort, though!

Joshua77 Jesus is Lord
10/21/14 12:41 pm

Important and crucial role in society. And believe it or not, we also include the institution of government, as an important and even vital institution of human society. We just don't think it should be the only institution.

Joshua77 Jesus is Lord
10/21/14 12:42 pm

Drooski, islamic extremism believes that everything should fall under the institution of Islam. Liberal extremism everything should fall under the institution of the government. The correct way of thinking is that each institution plays an important

Maj Worth Economist
10/21/14 1:54 pm

The point of ISIS is that the government and the religion are one and the same. Liberals might be all for government, but they're not all for combining it with religion. On the other hand, Christian Dominionism does actually exist.

Joshua77 Jesus is Lord
10/21/14 3:37 pm

For some leftist extremists, the government is their religion, their family, their community, every single human institution all rolled into one. For ISIS, the Islam faith is the exact same thing, every single human institution all rolled into one.

Joshua77 Jesus is Lord
10/21/14 3:39 pm

It is fascinating how Islamic extremists in liberal extremists share this way of thinking.

Christians don't think that way. For Christians, each institution has its own autonomy with the occasional overlap.

Maj Worth Economist
10/21/14 4:45 pm

No True Scotsman, much? I even referenced a real group of Christians who want the US to be a Christian theocracy. And your response was to imagine left extremism, and deny Christian extremism.

FacePalm That Trick Never Works
10/21/14 6:37 pm

Joshua77 - conservative Christian extremism believes all of everything should fall in line with the Bible. The difference is that they do not, as a group, use violence to achieve their goals.

political Georgia
10/21/14 12:30 pm

But this is hilarious.....Liberals are usually the first to defend Muslims. Now, Drooski is actually comparing ISIS to conservatives, and I don't think he misread his own poll question.

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droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 12:34 pm

Most liberals think Islam is a religion of peace. I don't. Whenever I've "defended" Muslims, it's when Christians think the Quran, and Islam's teachings, are more barbaric than the Bible's. But when there aren't Bible thumpers accusing Islam of being

droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 12:34 pm

violent (and so I don't have to prove their hypocrisy), I critique every religion, including Islam.

Nice try, though.

droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 12:35 pm

Do you also think I like Obama, and am a raging feminist? Both are wrong, so stop lumping me in with your little box of liberalism. I piss liberals and conservatives off alike :-)

political Georgia
10/21/14 12:23 pm

My position is that ISIS gets its own category. Terrorists. Neither is a fair description nor was my intent. Sorry to cause such chaos. Have a wonderful day!

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rbrown Kansas
10/21/14 12:14 pm

Fundamentalists generally have similar ways of seeing and relating to the world regardless of their tradition.

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droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 12:11 pm

Why are the conservatives so butthurt? This poll was inspired by a conservative who said ISIS was resemblant of American liberalism. Where were the comparison police then? Just like I'll readily admit a totalitarian communist state is closer to

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droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 12:12 pm

liberalism than it is to American conservatism, I'll acknowledge that a fascist theocracy is closer to conservatism than it is to liberalism.

That does mean liberalism is close to totalitarian communism or conservatism is close to theocratic

droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 12:13 pm

fascism, but certainly we can say one is closer to communism/fascism than another?

*doesn't mean

political Georgia
10/21/14 12:22 pm

Well.... I learned to not answer polls quickly.

droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 1:45 pm

As long as you learned something!

JJJSchmidt San Marcos
10/21/14 8:23 pm

In answer to your question, it's because people in general love getting butthurt and you used at least 7 buzzwords in that question.

JJJSchmidt San Marcos
10/21/14 12:10 pm

Well I don't think it's fair to compare the standard American political atmosphere to conservatism of THAT extreme.
But I suppose it's a good to remind people of the dangers of continued polarization.

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skinner Wisconsin
10/21/14 12:05 pm

This is an unfair question. ISIS is a group of Islamic extremists that resembles neither American conservatives nor American liberals. Rather than trying to earn cheap political points comparing a rival political party to a violent non-state actor we

skinner Wisconsin
10/21/14 12:06 pm

should be consolidating support towards the movement to defeat this terrorist organization and save those withering under its oppression.

Rotavele Alabama
10/21/14 12:08 pm

Every political group is on the political spectrum. That's like saying the Nazis shouldn't be on the political spectrum because they're bad.

Rotavele Alabama
10/21/14 12:08 pm

And Fascism/Theocracy is far over on the right wing.

skinner Wisconsin
10/21/14 12:15 pm

Yes, there is no need to point that out. I am fully aware that a spectrum exists, but that does not diminish the absurdity of comparing American liberals or conservatives with this Middle Eastern terrorist organization.

TheCameron UCF
10/21/14 11:55 am

The comparison of terrorists to liberals or conservatives is ridiculous and "more closely" implies that ISIS is somehow philosophical close to both or either which isn't true.

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droo Santa Barbara
10/21/14 11:53 am

Inspired by political, Abolitionist, and rotavele. You can guess who said what.





Play nice! :-)

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political Georgia
10/21/14 12:21 pm

All over not reading the poll.