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ScrewU October 21st, 2014 6:21pm

Is it the president's job to fundamentally change the country, or to ensure that executive branch agencies like the VA, CDC, ICE, IRS, Secret Service etc function smoothly?

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
10/21/14 5:02 pm

23% idiots so far.

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dxstap Bloomington, Indiana
10/21/14 4:25 pm

To many Presidents try to legislate from the Oval Office. That's not their job.

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ScrewU Gone
10/21/14 12:45 pm

It occurred to me today that everyone took for granted that he would run the country properly while working for the promised "change." I think what a lot of us thought from the start has become obvious. He wasn't competent to run the executive branch

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ScrewU Gone
10/21/14 12:46 pm

to begin with.

DonWichita Kansas
10/21/14 12:28 pm

His first job is to protect our nation from outside invasions, including ebola and terrorists. He is also charged to uphold, protect, and abide by the Constitution.

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arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
10/21/14 2:40 pm

So, its presidential failure that left us with kudzu, winged euonymus, oriental bittersweet, brown marmorated stink bug, garlic mustard, Norway maple, Japanese barberry, emerald ash borer, and chestnut blight? I mean, if you consider preventing

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
10/21/14 2:40 pm

the introduction of non-native organisms to be a presidential duty...

DonWichita Kansas
10/21/14 3:18 pm

Garlic & mustard too??? You've got to be kidding, both are great things to have. Besides your list doesn't infect, rob or kill people, which is an important part of the criteria. I should have been more specific.

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
10/21/14 4:56 pm

Garlic mustard, Alliaria petiolata, an allelopathic invasive biennial that is destroying the understory ecosystem of forests throughout the US. But if it's the president's job to protect us only from organisms dangerous to our health, is it his job

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
10/21/14 4:56 pm

to stop the flu before it arrives on our shores each year?

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
10/21/14 5:00 pm

I mean, I don't disagree that it's the president's and generally the government's job to protect the country from terrorism, but it's not really on the president's shoulders to stop Ebola. That's the job of our health system.

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/21/14 12:15 pm

His job is to lie enough to get reelected. Then his job is just to build his presidential library whilst adding to the size and power of the federal government as much as he can. The bigger the government and the more agencies it has then

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AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/21/14 12:15 pm

....then obviously the more work he did while president and more compassionate and caring and loving and yada yada yada he is.

Optimus1
10/21/14 12:30 pm

No, they are not the same. The job of the POTUS is to maintain the executive branch (White House, IRS, CIA, EPA...every federal office) foreign affairs, military and WORK with congress to as the 3rd equal branch to get the country on track.

Optimus1
10/21/14 12:31 pm

He is supposed to ensure the laws are followed. Executive orders are made to make changes in federal policies.

Optimus1
10/21/14 12:33 pm

He refuses to work with congress (republicans). So he acts more like a dictator than a president with "pen and phone".

Optimus1
10/21/14 12:38 pm

To "fundamentally change" the country, is to rebuild the country as we know it, from the base, into what he feels the country "should be". Taking little regard for others, imposing himself upon all levels of government to conform.

MadCow True GOP
10/21/14 12:51 pm

Like a CEO at a company, Presidents set direction for the country. It's the political capital of the office and it's been that way since Washington was sworn in.

Optimus1
10/21/14 1:03 pm

You are confusing CEO with COO, CEO is head of the company and the board. While COO is elected by the board to run operations, the board is reported to by the COO and then the board speaks to the shareholders.

MadCow True GOP
10/21/14 1:07 pm

And the all report to the CEO. Who sets direction. The other execs can bring him information, but it all rolls up to him. The directors can remove him if they don't like the results. But the direction and the tone are set by the CEO.

Optimus1
10/21/14 2:09 pm

Read the oath of office. It is pretty clear.

MadCow True GOP
10/21/14 2:33 pm

You're a "stay in your box" kind of guy aren't you?

Optimus1
10/21/14 3:47 pm

Lol stay in my box kinda guy Huh? I venture from time to time, but if you are suggesting that I am the kind of guy that stays his course, yes. Don't tell me you are one of those who changes according to your mood or current flow of events?

Optimus1
10/21/14 3:49 pm

Tell me, who do you believe me to be? My personality type?

Optimus1
10/21/14 3:55 pm

Don't forget to explain how on this topic, I am staying in my box. I'm sitting here trying to figure out how the POTUS's oath of office is somehow subject to interpretation, you know, outside the box it originally came in.

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
10/21/14 5:02 pm

"He refuses to work with congress (republicans)."

HA!

Well, that's one hell of a rewriting of recent history.

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:10 pm

Congress passes a jobs bill, that concludes his working with republicans

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:11 pm

What else has he done? Does a great leader publicly vilify the opposing side?

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:11 pm

Tell me, how many republican bills has you man Harry Reid put to the floor?

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:12 pm

I mention Mr Reid, because he is the Obama puppet

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
10/21/14 5:14 pm

I don't have a man named Harry Reid, so I can't really speak for him. How many compromises has Obama offered to Republicans in congress only to have them refuse to come to the table? Congressional Republicans have made a farce of the government by

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:14 pm

I'm sure your version of recent historic events, can be summed up in an MSNBC or CNN journalistic documentary.

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:16 pm

Obama doesn't bring "offers", he brings ultimatums. It is either his way or the pen.

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:16 pm

All he ever talks about is bypassing congress

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
10/21/14 5:17 pm

focusing all of their energy, from day one, on opposing everything about the current president, i.e. these people that morons have elected are spending their time (for which we all pay them) to act like a bunch of snotty fucking middle-schoolers who

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:17 pm

He has never had any intentions of working with republicans.

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
10/21/14 5:18 pm

are upset about the person chosen to walk at the front of the line on the way to the class field day. They even publicly declared that their goal, as soon as he was elected, was to make sure that he could get nothing done so he wouldn't be reelected.

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:18 pm

Republicans have out many bills on the table, those of which Harry Reid refuses to bring and obama claims (for most) he will not support.

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:19 pm

Who are you quoting that said this?

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:20 pm

Or is this the collective assumption of the liberal party?

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
10/21/14 5:26 pm

Or do you not remember the last 5 years? Seriously, for a while, the democrats seemed to have an exclusive claim on bratty uselessness, but in the last 5 years, republicans have taken whiny obstinance to entirely new levels.

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:28 pm

See what you did there? You made false claim. I'll save you the energy and time, it was Joe Biden saying he "heard" Mitch McConnell say "joe, I'm sorry but I won't be able to help you".

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:30 pm

Maybe at some point a republican has said something on those lines, but your claim that it was publicly cried out that republicans vowed to shoot down the ideas with no consideration...you are losing credibility by this.

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:31 pm

Have republicans in part been partisan? Absolutely. But your claim is a far cry from true.

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:33 pm

Whiney obstinance? We have a senate who votes on party lines, with little acception, they are nothing more than yes men to the president. That why they are distancing themselves from Obama in the mid terms.

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:34 pm

Tell me about the senate nuclear option?

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:35 pm

And you are going to tell me the republicans are being obstructing?

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:42 pm

I will give you this, republicans are divisive amongst themselves, which isn't helping their cause at all. Democrats, even though not one can think for themselves, are at least for the most part United.

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
10/21/14 5:45 pm

I'm not referring to whatever muddled imaginings Biden has conjured up, in referring to things like McConnell's comments to National Journal and Cantor's cahootzing with Ryan and Limbaugh.

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:49 pm

So McConnell's comments on the EPA is what has you missing sleep at night?

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
10/21/14 5:51 pm

Oops, did I say Limbaugh? I meant Gingrich. Those fat, red-faced blowhards all look the same to me.

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:55 pm

I was about to denounce Limbaugh. He is the worst example. I have little respect for him after some the comments he has made.

Optimus1
10/21/14 5:59 pm

Are you dodging my question about nuclear option?

Optimus1
10/21/14 6:00 pm

That was im unprecedented. It was for the sole purpose of silencing the republicans.

Optimus1
10/21/14 6:09 pm

Watch the news, you'll see all of the democrats that are up for reelection, who each voted on party line with Obama policies, trying there best to distance themselves to win. Obama is poison this election cycle...

Optimus1
10/21/14 6:11 pm

...it's difficult for a candidate to win when they run on the policies of our Golfer in Chief.

ScrewU Gone
10/22/14 9:28 am

Arcto you are absolutely deluded if you believe that Obama has brought even one "compromise" to the Republican Party.

roundsquare round square
10/21/14 11:39 am

It's his job to better the state of the country.

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ScrewU Gone
10/21/14 12:43 pm

I don't see anything in the oath if office or in the responsibilities listed in the constitution to suggest that. The closest thing is "to provide for the general welfare," which I doubt anyone would say is synonymous with "fundamental change."

RJ1969 SoCal
10/21/14 11:35 am

Both and more

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ScrewU Gone
10/21/14 12:40 pm

Can you point me to any kind of authority for the former?

AbandonedAccnt Not here.
10/21/14 12:58 pm

I'm sure it's buried in an executive order somewhere. :-)