Show of Hands

Meth ruins generations and society's. if you don't believe me watch cops.

Freedom

I doubt it; I don't. I think it's mostly about the very destructive nature of meth; that it causes ruin beyond the individual user. Including harming children. I found the 2 things very difficult to compare; stealing a car certainly isn't a trifle. But overall, I think harming people is worse.

Really surprised by the results. Bet most people that chose meth use some kind of illegal drug too.

Citation needed.

One crime has a victim one doesn't. Yet more people are against the victimless crime. Yay freedom.

DC

So are cigarettes and super size fries, what's your point? When do you get to stop telling someone how to live their life? Where did you get that authority from? You should be free to live your life however you want so long as you harm no one else. REAL harm, not your imaginary society BS.

When you deal meth, you're giving someone something they want and profiting from it. When you steal cars you're taking something away from someone which they don't want to give you. Do you REALLY think you answered the question correctly?

What's the difference between "hard" drugs and "soft" drugs?

Your perception.

If they were manufactured by companies in a controlled and consistent fashion with dosages, known ingredients, and use instructions it would be much safer.

With that said there are ZERO reasons that marijuana should be illegal. Yes there is an argument for hard drugs. But for soft drugs there shouldn't even be a discussion.

I agree that they may make people act more irrational than alcohol but regardless of how available it is, not even a fraction of adults that drink alcohol will do hard drugs. Hard drugs would have the same laws as alcohol, probably even more controlled.

Yes. Alcohol, a legal drug. Easily available in package stores, grocery stores, restaurants, bars and most homes.

Now imagine meth, heroin, crack, acid and a myriad of other drugs suddenly having the same availability as alcohol. Which would be a bigger menace?

Drug dealing (including marijuana) is the reason most robberies, burglaries and murders happen. You think those people do business fair and square? Lol.

@JackTorS: totally right on all points. My wife pointed out that it is the meth heads that are part of the auto theft problem, so kill 2 birds with one stone type of thing.
For the record, I absolutely do not advocate legalizing meth production or use. It is awful for individuals and society.

@Rebel
By the way, when you refuse to pay your speeding fine and a warrant is issued, the warrant is for "Failure to Pay Fines", not speeding. A completely separate offense. It covers all fines owed for all offenses.

people drive as fast as they want on public roads because all people aren't responsible. We can't trust all people to moderate themselves because some people simply cannot.

or any other illicit, highly addictive drug legal. The increase of usage, production and addicts would be an enormous drain on resources.

The Minnesota Rebel does have a point. People should be able to do what they want; in a perfect world. We all know that just won't be the case. We can't have

@DC
Yes, you're right. My insurance does go up because of car theft. However, there are far fewer tangents that sprout from auto theft than there are with meth dealing. Monetary, societal, legal, personal, physical, medical...
These things will not simply disappear if we make methamphetamine or any

All drugs should be legal in my view. There's no reason a person can't do what they want with their body. The governments job is not to protect the citizens from their own decisions. And for an argument that says its a danger to the public, alcohol is more dangerous when it comes to public behavior

selling meth to a willing buyer is shady. stealing a car unexpectedly victimizes someone. they're both unethical, but stealing harms the innocent.

To JackTorS: Your auto insurance is heavily jacked up ever month because of auto theft probabilities, so even though it may never happen to you, you'll be paying for it the majority of your life.
Similarly, I know there is a high social cost for meth, too, but wanted to point out it goes both ways.

Selling meth is bad, no doubt, but they are presumably selling to people willing to buy it. Stealing a car is a crime against a completely innocent person who had no part in the decision and who, most likely, will suffer greater losses. I don't see any comparison.

I think CGI porn is tasteless but no there is no person that is harmed.

I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't be friends with someone like that. But I'm not going to throw someone in a cage for doing something I don't like.

You don't get to control others. Stop it.

Those victimless crimes carry a bribe (fine) with them. What happens to me if I refuse to pay the fine. Jail. Next topic.

That happens BECAUSE meth is illegal. How many people die manufacturing alcohol? Let private companies supply the demand in a safe, liable, controlled fashion! This isn't hard.

I know we are talking about meth. I was giving an example about how people think making the choice to hurt yourself is more of a crime than hurting innocent others. because 70% to 30% is a big difference.

Talking about meth not weed. Meth is WAY worse than weed. If this question was selling weed I'd say stealing is worse but I see the effects of meth and its worse than a victim of a stolen car.

And what about the guy creating child pornography by using CGI? No victim there, so I guess it's Ok, right?

You keep spouting out platitudes. Would love to see your facts as well.

Were injured while making meth and most were uninsured. The average meth head's hospital stay costs $130,000, 60% more than other burn patients. This accumulates to tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars that the taxpayer is responsible for.

Yeah, you're right. The jails are full of fornicators, non-seatbelt wearers and permit-less business operators. You must get harassed by the hyperbole police a lot.

Facts? An AP survey of the nation's most active meth producing states showed that up to a third of patients in some burn units

Seriously people dealing is worse are you I don't know remedial? What would you rather see some loser selling meth or walk out and see your car has been stolen? Come on people get a grip on reality.

The only power any government has is to crack down on criminals, when there aren't enough criminals, the government has to create them until there are so many laws that a man cannot live without breaking the law
-Ayn Rand

Other people should be responsible for their own actions

Stealing is terrible but dealing is worse, because you are then selling them their own downfall. A car is replaceable, a life is not.

Agree fully with Rebel. You guys are off your rockers.

Stealing is way worse. You are removing someone else's property. Selling meth only effects people who want to buy meth. If someone tries to sell me meth I tell him no. If someone steals my car I'm screwed.

The way I see it, Meth may one day be legal (not saying it should) but stealing will always (hopefully) illegal.

Most stolen things can be recovered.
But people lost I'm meth, will be barely recoverable.

You allow the violence of government be brought on lifestyles YOU don't agree with yet in all honesty are likely not affected by. If you live in an area with "dealers" your area has deeper issues.

Before you condemn them you better stop having sex outside the missionary position you criminal.

The following is a list of crimes involving no victim for which one can be incarcerated for.

Speeding, prostitution, gambling, seatbelt and helmet use, sodomy and fornication, operating a business without a permission slip...the list goes on and on.

I highly doubt they effect you directly and I'll bet you don't even full believe your indirect argument. Please show me hard facts and not "society and the children" platitudes.

How many smokers, alcoholics, and pain med users do you encounter daily and your life continues on?

I just want to say that "Thou shall not steal" is one of the Ten Commandments. Stealing is an internationally recognized crime. Drug dealing, on the other hand, is not.

But it's only a national scourge because it's illegal, EarlyBird. If it was not profitable, to organized crime and the thousands in law enforcement who prosecute anyone involved in illegal drugs then addicts could be treated as patients not criminals and millions left for drug education and rehab.

70% think dealing meth is worse than stealing someone's car? this is why police would much rather chase and put a weed smoker in jail than catch a pedophile or a murderer.

but how does someone selling meth hurt anyone? stealing a car is someone's property, something that costs thousands of dollars. And selling meth is always to someone who does meth themselves. They're not taking anyone's property there making the choice to hurt themselves.

I'm just curious. Do you have a list of other 'unreal crimes'?

When all the people who use, synthesize, or sell meth no longer affect me either directly or indirectly, then I will no longer have a problem with it.

Reb - providing you are following the law (have insurance) a car thief does no harm to it's victim, other than cause inconvenience.
A drug dealer begins a chain of events: gets someone hooked, the family suffers and the community begins to suffer. His crime, is against many people.

You don't own other people. You have NO RIGHT to use the force of government to threaten anyone into not doing something.

USING or SELLING a drug is NOT a crime. Just because its on paper doesn't mean its a REAL crime.

Prohibition NEVER works. It's all about money and control.

Or some of us know what constitutes an actual "crime" in which a victim has to be harmed in a measurable way.

The drug war is nothing but a farce. It's an excuse for the police to seize property and get bigger budgets for new militaristic toys.

What's the difference between alcohol and meth.

I'm with rebel on this one!