Are policemen underpaid?
My cousin is a state trooper, he makes great $$$ so no.
I guess depends what city or state you work for...
Salary only? Or all the "extras" into perpetuity?
no I live in a small town they don't do much besides nap in there car
I wanna get paid to sit in my car and eat donuts!
I think policemen are considerably underpaid when taking into account the dangers they face while on duty. policemen, firefighters, paramedics, teachers, etc. deserve to be paid way more than they currently are.
I have no idea. But in the game of life, they get to collect $5000 every time I spin ten, so I said no.
I think they make like $50 tho? They go through some shit. Here an asshole ran down and killed 3 cops intentionally. I really don't understand the hate for cops. There are dipshits in every occupation. And they get the attention.
Maybe, but they probably get that same amount in free doughnuts along with it
I'd say vastly. 50k is cheap when you consider what they have to go through with the public and how dangerous the job could be.
Not to mention most have to work 59 hours a week with overtime, and work every holiday possibly for the extra money they need.
Why would anyone need more than $50k?
That's not even enough to live comfortably in my area. 50k isn't a lot of money. Sure if your living alone but if you have a family you certainly need another income
Certainly I would need more if I had a family, but I spend about $12k in a year, and I live comfortably. Half of that is on rent.
I don't even understand how someone could spend $4k in a month. Going out for fancy dinners every night I guess.
12k a year in most areas would leave you homeless. 60k a year is the bare minimum to live where I was raised. That's not even comfortably. I didn't know Texas was so cheap, I guess it's a cost of living thing
Austin (where I live) is the most expensive city in Texas
I'm sure it's more expensive to live where you are, but I'm saying there are ways of living cheaper.
I'm sure I could do just fine where you live on a job that pays 28k a year. I got paid that much while living in Boston, and I was saving money.
Lord no. A studio apartment is 2400 a month here no utilities, you might be a me to rent a room in a house for that, but it would be extremely difficult.
Where do you live?
Yeah, I would live with roommates.
Maryland. Right out side of DC
They are doing fine. They make usually around 45 to 50k a year. They don't usually do it for the money though
What about the rest many get *beyond* yearly pay?
Please clarify what you mean by that?
75%-90% of duty pay for life retirement, pension, full-coverage healthcare for self & spouse for life, etc - in excess of active duty pay & bennies. Going *strictly* on active-duty salary? Probably not enough. ALL bennies? Over-paid.
What makes them overpaid? They deserve what they receive.
Why is that? Don't those who protect us deserve nice things in return?
There are some cities in my area that start in the 50k range and a couple even higher so no I think they're doing just fine.
In wealthy jurisdictions they do pretty well. In most of the south they're underpaid. Nothing works better to keep police officers in line than the attitude that "I'm not going to lose a good paying job over this asshole."
Yes, for what they do and the risks they take.
We don't seem to have any trouble finding people who want the job, so my sense is the money is right. It doesn't make sense to pay more than what it takes to attract qualified people.
Agree, but a lot of departments are short handed right now, even in this economy. It's getting harder to find people who are psychically qualified.
Is this to be decided before or after consideration of the free donuts? :)
I don't know. In some places they are definitely underpaid, but there are too many police forces in the USA to make a broad judgement.
For comparison, I seem to recall there is about 645 police forces in Texas (pop. 26mil). There are 48 in the UK (pop. 63mil).
How do you feel about the Cali pay?
Goes to show we're doing something wrong.
Don't know too much about that tbh. I've heard some pay rates for LA police on the radio and it sounds pretty healthy, but I don't trust talk radio to present a fair picture.
My neighbor is a policeman. I am a commercial airline pilot, guess who makes more.
No way, really?
Is is Chief of the Denver PD?
Yep. Similar age, similar time on the job.
No, city police.
Pilots have a weird outdated pay structure IMHO. And some of the wages are alarmingly low.
Pilots have a Very low entry wage (first couple of years) and are only paid per flight hour with minimum guarantees in some circumstances.
And if your airline goes bust you have to start again at the bottom with a new airline. It's almost like a lottery, after 30 years you might be making a good wage or your airline might go bye bye.
I looked up Oregon's policeman salary and they only make $4,100 pr month.
I say they are underpaid.
EB, is this their salary before health/dental/vision insurance, and perhaps a decent life insurance policy, since, well, it's a risky business...
And is this an avg.? Starting salary?
It's also a choice. If wealth is the end game, they chose wrong.
Yes, it's starting pay without benefits.
I still think that putting your life on the line every day and dealing with people who hate you every day deserves better pay.
Thank you! And I DO understand your point. I wonder how much would be enough, before the general public started resenting cops for THAT reason TOO...
Maybe if we paid them better, they wouldn't be as open to corruption.
I think we should pay better and be pickier about who is hired on.
4,100 per month is more than I get, that's including my BAH and sea pay.
I don't think many are open to corruption. This isn't Mexico.
When I was a serviceman I could have made more money as a full time McDonalds employee.
It sickens me that our most important jobs (teachers, police, military) get paid so little.
My pay is a little better than that. I average around 3,700. Of course, I've been in for 9 years and am just about to put on E6. I think I've earned that pay by now. 3,700 for working 60+ hour work weeks in port and 80+ hours underway though.
Bless your heart, swerv.
Oh EB, I'm getting "frocked" tomorrow, which means I can wear my PO1 crows but don't get paid for it yet. I will try to change my display pic of me and the captain so everyone can see me. Or maybe I'll put one of me and Brittney in my new uniform :)
You may be frocked, but you're still a "petty" officer. :-)
I would LOVE to see a pic of you!
Lol! I dislike that name too, but it's tradition, I suppose. I don't know why we can just follow suit and be sergeants (or akin there to) at E5 like everyone else. Still, I think the eagle atop our insignia looks the best.
I always just called you guys "squids." ;-)
EB, I think people here are just not willing to give more funds to police forces. I've read a little about it here and there, and your average police officer in the USA gets far less training than in the UK for example.
In some places it seems like the police ticketing as revenue has become essential to funding. That's never going to lead to healthy outcomes in the long run.
Just wanted to point out police health/dental is overly expensive and complete crap. My family had to switched to my mothers, who is a teacher, and we saved tons of money and had better quality care.
They need to be paid more but also be more easily fired/punished if necessary. This will result in more motivation to do their jobs properly. It's similar to the teacher situation.
Yes, I often compare the two also.
That's nonsense. There's no tenure for cops, in fact MANY get fired and quite a few charged criminally for acts on the job. No other job opens a jurisdiction up to civil liability like police.
Really 3Gun? Well thanks for educating me...I guess I've just heard too many horror stories about dirty cops being transferred instead of fired, getting away with brutality, etc.
I was married to one. Definitely, yes!
From what I've seen, cops make a decent living.
some yes some no
Wow great question! Complicated. Need to look at the original intent of a police force versus today's requirements. Then city to city county to county. It's so diverse across the country it is hard to say one way or the other.
HELL no - www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0628/opinions-rich-karlgaard-digital-rules-millionaire-cop-next-door.html
Do you feel that example is representative of all police officers?
No. I dated one long enough to know they make plenty of money!
Around here, police make $50-65k, depending on experience.
Police or State police?
I don't know the cost of living in Texas but that money wouldn't go far here.
Police. I live fine off $30k.
TMS- you deserve more.
Maybe I should build a giant fricken laser and hold the whole world hostage for one million dollars.
I think you should, TMS :)
Firemen are more underpaid
A lot of firemen are volunteers. So yeah, getting paid nothing is underpaid.
Oh maybe in Guam but not in NYC.
Boy, you are sure right! I looked up Oregon's firefighter pay and it's only 35,000 to 45,000! I'm shocked!
Yea I think it is around the same in NY, maybe about $40k to $50k (less than NYPD).
A: I'm not in Guam
B: most firefighters are volunteer. If you did some research before attacking me, you would know that. Thanks for playing though, you win the Dick of the Week award.
I am not attacking you so you get the dick of the year award! Smh -__-
You might want to change your info in settings because it clearly says Guam.
Yeah, I'm stationed in Japan. Since there is no opinion for Japan, I picked the closest US territory. Even if I was in Guam, do you really think I couldn't research firefighters in the US?
Most firefighters are volunteers. Major cities have paid ones, most rural areas don't.
I know what your talking about dude, I didn't disagree and believed you. I said most NY firefighters have a salary.
I didn't know that swervin. Thanks.
Ok. Dick of the week was a bit much. I apologize for that.
No worries man. I knew there were more volunteer firefighters but didn't know by than large of a margin because there are so many fire departments in NY. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Only if they live above their means...
Oh HELL yes!
Only the one in the Village People. That dude carried the whole group.
No, police and firefighters are actually the rising class of millionaires.
Yep. Compared to private sector workers doing similar jobs, policemen, government bureaucrats, etc make insane amounts of money.
What private sector job equates to a police officer? Private security? I bet you my entire life savings that the body guard of Justin Beiber makes a hell of a lot more than the average police officer.
Maybe a gang enforcer?
Private security guards protect things, so that's not really comparable.
Justin Beiber's bodyguard probably won't retire at 50 with a $4M pension, either.
Yes! Yes! Yes!