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Shazam June 11th, 2014 5:27pm

The 2012 US per capita murder rate is 4.7/100K. That's higher than all the countries in N. Africa, W. Europe, the Nordics, E. Asia (except NK), S. Asia (except Pakistan), S. Europe, Canada, & Cuba. Leaving guns out, what's wrong with us?

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AppleCougar08
06/13/14 11:36 pm

I have never been able to figure that out.

rickvee Living the dream
06/12/14 7:47 am

A lack of respect for your fellow man.

DavesNotHere where am I
06/11/14 5:52 pm

We're in love with violence.

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Zfilakas Eleftheria i Thanatos
06/11/14 4:05 pm

We live in a highly populated country with people from literally everywhere else on the planet. With people of all creeds, nationalities, and the ability to actually voice different opinions, it is highly probable that violence occurs.

DavesNotHere where am I
06/11/14 5:47 pm

Disagree. England has the cultural diversity we have, by much less violence per capita.

ozzy
06/11/14 2:28 pm

I cannot imagine your premise Information is correct

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/11/14 2:42 pm

OZ - links and write up are below. Feel free double check me.

rons Thanks America
06/11/14 2:07 pm

We're in in the Middle east which is good or Or N, Korea!

anonymousmn Minnesota
06/11/14 1:06 pm

Well over the past year of reading SoH comments and believing them all, it's because of Obama, police officers, and teacher unions.

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jackietheman Just Stop...
06/11/14 3:17 pm

Don't forget it is all related to Benghazi. Or the "homophobes."

Axl752 NY
06/11/14 12:24 pm

Maybe one thing is there seems to be a lot less sense of community in this country than others, and a lot more individual isolation.

commonsense America isnt racist
06/11/14 12:13 pm

No idea. Maybe disrespect of our laws, disrespect of our country , and culture.
Maybe a very low respect for human life.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/11/14 12:41 pm

COM - what do you think is the underlying cause of the later?

commonsense America isnt racist
06/11/14 3:04 pm

Not sure. Loss of traditions, changing from religious to more secular culture.

Lack of fear of consequences.

FalloutBoy97 Ohio
06/11/14 11:48 am

We are a more violent culture than most, (TV, Video games, movies, etc.) and we tend to value independence and survival of the fittest more than other countries. The large portion of the population that is impoverished also contributes.

Diogenes FreeMeBe
06/11/14 11:13 am

Is that figure normalized for population?

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Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/11/14 11:23 am

No, it's per 100,000 population. Statistically this is a better method to compare apples to apples. The data table is in the link, here's a write up, and wiki will follow: tinyurl.com/lk345k9

Diogenes FreeMeBe
06/11/14 12:23 pm

Interesting. Thanks, Shaz. I've attached an interesting small study on effects of conceal carry on crime.
www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/06/foghorn/obama-praises-australian-gun-confiscation-vows-act-without-congress/

Diogenes FreeMeBe
06/11/14 12:24 pm

Oops, wrong one. Give me a sec

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/11/14 12:36 pm

DIO - as I said earlier, I do not want to turn this into a gun discussion. It's not about whose carrying/has access to what or where. This poll is about the underlying societal causes for American on American homicide that is so much higher than in

Diogenes FreeMeBe
06/11/14 1:10 pm

I wasn't attempting to change the subject that's why I called you out specifically. It was an interesting study and thought you might be interested.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/11/14 1:29 pm

DIO - thanks, and I will read it. I took a brief look, and may do a poll once I'm done. Be ready for a fight! ;-)

Mattwall1
06/11/14 11:10 am

This may just be me, but it seems like the us has had large periods of "if we deny we have a problem it will go away" and "other countries? Let's poll down our noses at them. They can't be right about anything!" Leaving guns out of if, I would say

Mattwall1
06/11/14 11:10 am

That's at least some of the issue

Look not poll

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/11/14 11:25 am

MATT - irrespective of guns though, there has to be a person on the other side of the trigger wanting to pull it.

Mattwall1
06/11/14 11:28 am

I agree that someone has to pull the trigger. I would say certain mediums can make killing easier, but that's another issue. I was looking at the societal aspect of why we, as a society, don't really do anything. I'd also say that while mentally ill

Mattwall1
06/11/14 11:29 am

People are not the only ones to use weapons on innocents, we also don't seem to care as lucky as we probably should about mental health anyway, and that doesn't help either.

chrismisen atlanta
06/11/14 11:09 am

our relative affluence (which makes weapons easier to come by) and diverse group of cultures combine with natural human urges to cause more murders. at least that's my best guess.

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/11/14 11:03 am

I'm just throwing out a guess. Sheer number of illegal immigrants, a lot being dangerous?

imanag My heaven on Earth
06/11/14 10:39 am

Apathy & selfishness

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Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/11/14 10:37 am

I am not looking for a gun debate. This is a bigger Q on why we're so much more likely to kill one another in this country, than in any of those others listed.

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veritas1 Panda
06/11/14 10:52 am

I know you're looking for the underlying causes, but what if the underlying causes exist everywhere (to generally the same degree) and the increased presence of guns simply allows more people to act on them?

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/11/14 11:30 am

V - not really. The x/y plots are off. If guns are very limited (eg S Korea, Japan), then gun deaths per 100K would be likewise incredibly small. We'd need to see a similar chart with guns per pop measure vs murders (all) per pop measure. Get me?

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/11/14 12:39 pm

I am trying to avoid guns though. Regardless of their contributing factor & increases likelihood of accomplishing task (homicide) if the absence of intent, the corresponding risk approaches zero.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/11/14 7:21 pm

Switzerland's rate is typically near 1 or less, and until very recently *every* adult male was *required* to keep a fully automatic Big Scary Gun (the technical term for our political term "assault weapon") at home. Clearly BSGs are not the issue.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
06/11/14 10:36 am

Correlated with the 5% of the populace consuming 30% of the world resources.

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EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
06/11/14 10:36 am

It's all about the individual here. Not the collective.

fredd TrumpLand
06/11/14 11:02 am

You mean the Kollectiv. :p

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/11/14 10:38 am

Guns don't kill people, people with guns do. My Q is why is THAT - the killing - more likely to happen here?

Keldeo Laverre City
06/11/14 10:40 am

It must have something to do with our borders, huh! Once people step into them, they become more aggressive and driven to kill! Yeah!

fredd TrumpLand
06/11/14 11:11 am

Guns don't kill people, rappers do!

youtu.be/pXc8CbSoPsw

fredd TrumpLand
06/11/14 10:32 am

People be crazy!

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Pirate Uses the Tap
06/11/14 10:31 am

People in America just seem to be angry and frustrated.

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cowboy Dawns Highway
06/11/14 10:30 am

Communists banning guns.

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Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/11/14 10:40 am

COW - this isn't a gun debate. Oh, and I would believe that few would agree that guns have been "banned" anywhere here. Think before you speak please.

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/11/14 3:21 pm

Cowboy always has some of my favorite observations...