The 2012 US per capita murder rate is 4.7/100K. That's higher than all the countries in N. Africa, W. Europe, the Nordics, E. Asia (except NK), S. Asia (except Pakistan), S. Europe, Canada, & Cuba. Leaving guns out, what's wrong with us?
I have never been able to figure that out.
A lack of respect for your fellow man.
We're in love with violence.
We live in a highly populated country with people from literally everywhere else on the planet. With people of all creeds, nationalities, and the ability to actually voice different opinions, it is highly probable that violence occurs.
Disagree. England has the cultural diversity we have, by much less violence per capita.
I cannot imagine your premise Information is correct
OZ - links and write up are below. Feel free double check me.
We're in in the Middle east which is good or Or N, Korea!
Let's talk crime overall.
Well over the past year of reading SoH comments and believing them all, it's because of Obama, police officers, and teacher unions.
Don't forget it is all related to Benghazi. Or the "homophobes."
We have too many gangs
Maybe one thing is there seems to be a lot less sense of community in this country than others, and a lot more individual isolation.
No idea. Maybe disrespect of our laws, disrespect of our country , and culture.
Maybe a very low respect for human life.
COM - what do you think is the underlying cause of the later?
Not sure. Loss of traditions, changing from religious to more secular culture.
Lack of fear of consequences.
We are a more violent culture than most, (TV, Video games, movies, etc.) and we tend to value independence and survival of the fittest more than other countries. The large portion of the population that is impoverished also contributes.
Is that figure normalized for population?
No, it's per 100,000 population. Statistically this is a better method to compare apples to apples. The data table is in the link, here's a write up, and wiki will follow: tinyurl.com/lk345k9
Here's the wiki: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Here's the other link to just data in case you couldn't access. www.unodc.org/documents/gsh/data/GSH2013_Homicide_count_and_rate.xlsx
Interesting. Thanks, Shaz. I've attached an interesting small study on effects of conceal carry on crime.
Oops, wrong one. Give me a sec
DIO - as I said earlier, I do not want to turn this into a gun discussion. It's not about whose carrying/has access to what or where. This poll is about the underlying societal causes for American on American homicide that is so much higher than in
I wasn't attempting to change the subject that's why I called you out specifically. It was an interesting study and thought you might be interested.
DIO - thanks, and I will read it. I took a brief look, and may do a poll once I'm done. Be ready for a fight! ;-)
This may just be me, but it seems like the us has had large periods of "if we deny we have a problem it will go away" and "other countries? Let's poll down our noses at them. They can't be right about anything!" Leaving guns out of if, I would say
That's at least some of the issue
Look not poll
MATT - irrespective of guns though, there has to be a person on the other side of the trigger wanting to pull it.
I agree that someone has to pull the trigger. I would say certain mediums can make killing easier, but that's another issue. I was looking at the societal aspect of why we, as a society, don't really do anything. I'd also say that while mentally ill
People are not the only ones to use weapons on innocents, we also don't seem to care as lucky as we probably should about mental health anyway, and that doesn't help either.
our relative affluence (which makes weapons easier to come by) and diverse group of cultures combine with natural human urges to cause more murders. at least that's my best guess.
I'm just throwing out a guess. Sheer number of illegal immigrants, a lot being dangerous?
Apathy & selfishness
I am not looking for a gun debate. This is a bigger Q on why we're so much more likely to kill one another in this country, than in any of those others listed.
I know you're looking for the underlying causes, but what if the underlying causes exist everywhere (to generally the same degree) and the increased presence of guns simply allows more people to act on them?
That would explain this data:
V - not really. The x/y plots are off. If guns are very limited (eg S Korea, Japan), then gun deaths per 100K would be likewise incredibly small. We'd need to see a similar chart with guns per pop measure vs murders (all) per pop measure. Get me?
I am trying to avoid guns though. Regardless of their contributing factor & increases likelihood of accomplishing task (homicide) if the absence of intent, the corresponding risk approaches zero.
Switzerland's rate is typically near 1 or less, and until very recently *every* adult male was *required* to keep a fully automatic Big Scary Gun (the technical term for our political term "assault weapon") at home. Clearly BSGs are not the issue.
Correlated with the 5% of the populace consuming 30% of the world resources.
It's all about the individual here. Not the collective.
You mean the Kollectiv. :p
Guns don't kill people, people with guns do. My Q is why is THAT - the killing - more likely to happen here?
It must have something to do with our borders, huh! Once people step into them, they become more aggressive and driven to kill! Yeah!
Guns don't kill people, rappers do!
People be crazy!
People in America just seem to be angry and frustrated.
Communists banning guns.
COW - this isn't a gun debate. Oh, and I would believe that few would agree that guns have been "banned" anywhere here. Think before you speak please.
Cowboy always has some of my favorite observations...