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Rocker June 10th, 2014 5:45pm

Time to let God back into schools yet?

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KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:46 pm

February 14, 2010 - Richmond, California - Three hooded men
walk into Gethsemane Church of God in Christ and opened
fire and then fled the scene, as the singing of the choir
was replaced by frightened screams.

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KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:47 pm

Time to allow God back in church?

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:47 pm

March 8, 2009 - Maryville, Illinois - Suspect Terry Joe
Sedlacek, 27, of Troy, walks into the First Baptist Church,
and shoots pastor Fred Winters dead, point blank.

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:48 pm

July 27, 2008 - Knoxville, Tennessee - A gunman opens fire
in a church during a youth performance, killing two people
and injuring seven.

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:49 pm

Dec. 9, 2007 - Colorado - Three people are killed and five
wounded in two shooting rampages, one at a missionary
school in suburban Denver and one at a church in Colorado
Springs. The gunman in the second incident is killed by a
guard.

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:50 pm

May 20, 2007 - Moscow, Idaho - A standoff between police
and a suspect in the shootings of three people in a
Presbyterian Church ended with three dead, including one
police officer.

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:50 pm

Aug. 12, 2007 - Neosho, Missouri - First Congregational
Church - 3 killed - Eiken Elam Saimon shot and killed the
pastor and two deacons and wounded five others.

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:52 pm

May 21, 2006 - Baton Rouge, Louisiana - The Ministry of
Jesus Christ Church

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:52 pm

Feb. 26, 2006 - Detroit, Michigan - Zion Hope Missionary
Baptist Church - 2 killed + shooter - Kevin L. Collins, who
reportedly went to the church looking for his girlfriend,
later killed himself.

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:53 pm

April 9, 2005 - College Park, Georgia - A 27-year-old
airman died after being shot at a church, where he had once
worked as a security guard.

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:53 pm

March 12, 2005 - Brookfield, Wisconsin - Living Church of
God - 7 killed + shooter - Terry Ratzmann opened fire on
the congregation, killing seven and wounding four before
taking his own life.

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:54 pm

July 30, 2005 - College Park, Georgia - World Changers
Church International - shooter killed - Air Force Staff
Sgt. John Givens was shot five times by a police officer
after charging the officer, following violent behavior.

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:54 pm

Dec. 17, 2004, Garden Grove, Calif.: A veteran musician at
the Crystal Cathedral shoots himself to death after a nine
-hour standoff.

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:55 pm

Oct. 5, 2003 - Atlanta, Georgia - Turner Monumental AME
Church - 2 killed + shooter - Shelia Wilson walked into the
church while preparations are being made for service and
shot the pastor, her mother and then herself.

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:55 pm

June 10, 2002 - Conception, Missouri - Benedictine
monastery - 2 killed + shooter - Lloyd Robert Jeffress shot
four monks in the monastery killing two and wounding two,
before killing himself.

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:55 pm

March 12, 2002 - Lynbrook, New York - Our Lady of Peace
Catholic Church - 2 killed - Peter Troy, a former mental
patient, opens fire during Mass, killing the priest and a
parishioner. He later receives a life sentence.

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:56 pm

May 18, 2001 - Hopkinsville, Kentucky - Greater Oak
Missionary Baptist Church - 2 killed - Frederick Radford
stood up in the middle of a revival service and began
shooting at his estranged wife.

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:57 pm

Sept. 15, 1999 - Fort Worth, Texas - Wedgewood Baptist
Church - 7 killed + shooter - Larry Gene Ashbrook shot dead
seven people and injured a further seven at a concert by
Christian rock group Forty Days in Fort Worth, Texas before
killing himself.

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:57 pm

April 15, 1999 - Salt Lake City, Utah - LDS Church Family
History Library - 2 killed + shooter - Sergei Babarin, 70,
with a history of mental illness, entered the library,
killed two people and wounded four others before he was
gunned down by police

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 3:59 pm

@sdbrev210, that it doesn't matter of God is "allowed" in schools or not.

Rainey 633 Stag Trail Road
06/10/14 4:10 pm

@kudos you rock :)

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
06/10/14 6:26 pm

Obviously those people needed some Jesus in their lives

Pumpkin127
06/11/14 9:26 am

Dayum

Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 2:00 pm

It's strange that so many people would rather have violence in schools than prayer.

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susanr Colorado
06/10/14 2:21 pm

Who exactly is saying that?

Nobody.

Kay41 the Midwest
06/10/14 2:27 pm

Rocker, no one is saying that. This isn't an either/or scenario. Adding prayer to school isn't going to magically make the school shootings go away. It is naive to think so.

PoOtiUs SoCal
06/10/14 2:29 pm

That's a stupid assumption.

Rainey 633 Stag Trail Road
06/10/14 3:03 pm

How does prayer stop violence?

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
06/10/14 3:14 pm

Silly rocker. All the praying in the world doesn't stop nutcases with guns.

It's pretty telling though that you'd rather pray than actually do something useful like, you know, enact more stringent gun control measures. But no. Keep "praying".

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
06/10/14 3:17 pm

"I won't do anything productive about keeping this device used to kill multiple people with relative ease out of the hands of nutcases, I'll just hope and wish really hard while advocating for even less stringent controls on these killing devices..."

Maynard Londor
06/10/14 4:33 pm

Miss: I agree that pray won't stop shootings, but I disagree that gun control is the way to stop it either. Most these shootings involve the mentally ill. We take better care of our mentally ill, and I believe we might start to see less shootings.

Kay41 the Midwest
06/11/14 8:20 pm

I just heard on the news that the Oregon school short was a devout Mormon. I assume he prayed.

cheeseontop FactsOverFeelings
06/10/14 1:59 pm

Post a poll about god? And the haters come to life....(•_•)

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Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 2:01 pm

They always have. Tolerance in action.

Pumpkin127
06/10/14 2:15 pm

I personally don't hate god, I just hate bringing religion into public schools. Sorry if it seemed like I hated god or something not actually related to the question. :)

cheeseontop FactsOverFeelings
06/10/14 2:26 pm

Hating on Rocker

KudosToYou California
06/10/14 4:00 pm

Yes, when you insinuate that God allows children to be murdered because we exercise our God given free Will people are going to get upset.

Pumpkin127
06/11/14 8:53 am

I'm not afraid of anything...? I'm not sure I understand your question. I just think that god belongs in church and in hearts, I guess. I just don't think god should be in public schools.

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
06/11/14 9:08 am

If he lives in your heart, he is with you always, in public and in private places. How then can you/anyone forbid him in public places? What harm comes then from teaching about faith, love, hope, forgiveness, provision, care and healing from God?

Pumpkin127
06/11/14 9:15 am

Because not everyone wants to believe in god or worship god in the same way you do. If he truly lives in your heart, you don't need to have god established in any public setting.

Pumpkin127
06/11/14 9:15 am

As Americans, we have to right to separation of church and state. Why do you/anyone have the right to take that away?

sdbrev210 The Pursuit of Happiness
06/11/14 9:22 am

No one's trying to take anything away. Your one-sided view of the first amendment should not trump the free practice of religion and our individual faith ESPECIALLY in public places.

Pumpkin127
06/11/14 9:26 am

You can personally worship wherever and however you want, do your thing. I'm not gonna stop you from exercising your rights. What you do not have the right to do is establish religion in public schools. I'm sorry if you don't like others' rights.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
06/10/14 1:07 pm

It's not even an honest question. These people aren't advocating for Islam to be taught in schools, just Christianity.

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StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
06/10/14 1:08 pm

there's no talk of Hinduism or Buddhism or Zoroastrianism....basically, it'd be more accurate to say "can't we just invite Jesus into the classroom again?"

Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 1:38 pm

All other religions are taught in depth. To my recollection, I was not taught as much about Christianity in school.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
06/10/14 1:42 pm

my recollection is different.

Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 1:47 pm

You were taught about Christianity in school?

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
06/10/14 1:49 pm

of course. It was presented in a way where it wasn't favored over the other religions either, which I think is responsible and a good practice.

Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 1:51 pm

Good for your school district.

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
06/10/14 1:53 pm

unless your aim is to proselytize to impressionable children, what's the point of discussing god and more specifically the Christian interpretation in a school setting?

cheeseontop FactsOverFeelings
06/10/14 1:53 pm

Funny, never thought about it before. Never learned about Christianity in school. Only Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, and Zoroastrianism.

Colorado303 Future Seattle Resident
06/10/14 1:57 pm

I never learned about any religion in school. And that's how I like it

Maynard Londor
06/10/14 2:04 pm

I learned nothing in school about any other religion, though when it came to evolution, their response was always, "We'll just skip that chapter." Pretty obvious what my teachers were getting across....

cheeseontop FactsOverFeelings
06/10/14 2:07 pm

Lol a few of my teachers are hardcore evolutionists.

Pumpkin127
06/10/14 2:15 pm

You mean your teachers were hardcore into scientifically proven facts..?

Maynard Londor
06/10/14 2:18 pm

Pumpkin: was that pointed at me or cheese, cause my response is different based on that? Ha

Pumpkin127
06/10/14 2:19 pm

Sorry, it was directed towards cheese.

Maynard Londor
06/10/14 2:42 pm

Haha it's all good. I would have figured cheese, if their wasn't people out their that think evolution is non-science.

monkey678 Towelhead
06/10/14 3:07 pm

Rocker may I ask what school district you attended that didn't teach Christianity in such a way?

jmw7477 Indiana
06/10/14 12:58 pm

Separation of church & state. Not everyone is Christian.

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tokala
06/10/14 12:50 pm

Shootings in school, or anywhere else, has nothing to do with religion. Keep religion out of public schools.

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PoOtiUs SoCal
06/10/14 12:50 pm

What kind of asshole let's innocent children die just because they don't worship him?

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Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 1:39 pm

But if you kick Him out of schools, I'll give you one good guess who moves in.

PoOtiUs SoCal
06/10/14 1:54 pm

Which god are you talking about? What about all the schools in other nations that don't pray to your specific god or any god at all. They don't get shot up. God has nothing to do with these shootings.

Pumpkin127
06/10/14 2:17 pm

Other countries whose schools don't "get shot up" also have tighter fun regulations. School shootings have nothing to do with whether or not god is in schools.

PoOtiUs SoCal
06/10/14 2:25 pm

Haha, "fun" regulations. "Hey you! No swinging on the swings! And you, stop giggling!"

Pumpkin127
06/10/14 2:27 pm

I hate typos, but at least it was a funny one :)

Spartacus AUSTIN
06/10/14 12:47 pm

Bring education back, but keep your god out.

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Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 1:43 pm

Then no religions should be taught including the backbone of atheism. Don't discriminate against Christianity.

Spartacus AUSTIN
06/10/14 2:16 pm

I agree no religions should be in school. Only an idiot believes that atheism is a religion.

Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 4:38 pm

There is very little difference.

Pumpkin127
06/11/14 8:54 am

There is a big difference...

usernamehere Raise a little hell
06/10/14 12:38 pm

Yeah, because it's not like Christianity has EVER been used for atrocities...

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Maynard Londor
06/10/14 12:58 pm

Not even once. Can't think of a single time ever....

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
06/10/14 12:35 pm

To some degree yes. Schools shouldn't be all about God, but atleast let Him in. People don't have to participate but stop forcing prayer out.

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Maynard Londor
06/10/14 12:57 pm

It's been this way for awhile now. So technically, you're trying to force pray in. So....there's that...

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
06/10/14 2:31 pm

Not letting prayers be said at games or not allowing God to be mentioned in speeches is pety. Those things hurt nobody

Maynard Londor
06/10/14 2:35 pm

It hurts no one to not have them either. Remember, though majority of the country might be affiliated with Christianity, we still technically have no official religion.

Maynard Londor
06/10/14 2:41 pm

Also, what kind of games and speeches are we talking about? Ones at a public school should not be allowed, but in private institutions, like a Lakers game or something, I could careless if someone wants to express their religious beliefs.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
06/10/14 4:34 pm

If a kid gives a speech at a graduation or something else similar there is no reason they should denied the ability to thank God or mention Him in other ways. And prayers at school sporting events, if the team wants to say a prayer before or after

Maynard Londor
06/10/14 4:51 pm

Well, if it makes you feel better, they still did all that when I was still in school.

Maynard Londor
06/10/14 12:30 pm

Has nothing to do with God. Most of these shootings, usually have to do with mental illness. The fact that we stigmatize mental illness, leads, in many cases, these people away from proper care. We need to do more to help these people, before...

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Maynard Londor
06/10/14 12:30 pm

these kinds of incident happen.

inge MIA
06/10/14 12:22 pm

No, but good try.

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EarthMunkey The Golden Rule. Always.
06/10/14 12:09 pm

Schools are for learning.

Churches are for gods.

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Pumpkin127
06/10/14 12:08 pm

If you want religion in school, go to a private school.

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Rainey 633 Stag Trail Road
06/10/14 12:07 pm

Absolutely not in public schools. Ever.

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Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 1:46 pm

Should atheism be taught in schools? Such as the Big Bang and macroevolution fallacy?

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 1:50 pm

lol... Fallacies? If that what you think they are, you really don't understand them. Just because the scientific proof contradicts your religion doesn't mean you can discount it. And there's no such thing as "teaching atheism".

Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 1:54 pm

There's no proof.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 1:56 pm

Denying scientific proof doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Sorry...

Pumpkin127
06/10/14 2:12 pm

Sorry, I think you might be mistaken, the Big Bang and evolution actually fall under the category of "science", not "atheism" as you suggested. :)

Rainey 633 Stag Trail Road
06/10/14 2:31 pm

The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not. :)

Also I don't think that ANY religion or lack there of has any place in public schools. Private schools can do as they please

StilettoMiss SF med law, meme queen
06/10/14 12:03 pm

God can go hang out in Afghanistan's schools. They love that stuff. Unless you're all of a sudden sympathizing with the Taliban, I suggest not jumping on the indoctrination bandwagon just yet.

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TRJake Pendragon
06/10/14 12:02 pm

Only in a religious studies class. Outside of that room, absolutely not.

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Colorado303 Future Seattle Resident
06/10/14 11:50 am

You think that would change it? That would probably make it worse

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Colorado303 Future Seattle Resident
06/10/14 11:53 am

And I wouldn't want religion pushed onto kids in k-12. Separation of church and state needs to be upheld

RBecker17 The Sultan of Rum
06/10/14 11:42 am

Well voluntarily yes. Let's not force our religion but if someone wants to form a prayer group, say a prayer at graduation or such that's fine by me

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jvc1133 61535
06/10/14 11:27 am

Well they're all imperfect except thee and me and I'm not sure about you ; )

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political Georgia
06/10/14 11:19 am

It is so sad that these shooters lack morals. There is a special place for people like that.

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thewheel
06/10/14 1:24 pm

Call me stupid… but are you referring to hell or an earthy location?

thewheel
06/10/14 5:15 pm

earthly*

Would you suggest all those who lack morals be sent to prison or the similar?

jvc1133 61535
06/10/14 11:15 am

Well, there's all those little things like bearing false witness, that are uncomfortable

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jvc1133 61535
06/10/14 10:55 am

Nice try rocker, evidently this is a religious free zone

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Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 11:11 am

I guess the libs like these godless schools better

commonsense America isnt racist
06/10/14 11:18 am

So do some conservatives.....

Kay41 the Midwest
06/10/14 10:54 am

As a Christian myself I still disagree with mixing Good and public schools. My belief should not be forced on others. Besides, until we change the current culture of blatant disregard for the value of human life that seems to be prevalent among too

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Kay41 the Midwest
06/10/14 10:55 am

many, these horrible acts ate likely to continue both in and out of school.

jvc1133 61535
06/10/14 10:57 am

Het Kay, how do you about God and public schools ? ; )

jvc1133 61535
06/10/14 10:57 am

You were faster than I ; )

jvc1133 61535
06/10/14 11:03 am

No worries with autocorrect all postings are forgiven, and all are autocorrect's, Fault !

Kay41 the Midwest
06/10/14 11:04 am

Yep! Stupid autocorrect....
:)

Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 11:16 am

I don't agree with forcing a belief on anyone either, but it wouldn't be. It wouldn't matter if an atheist prayed, because they don't have any faith, so their participation would be just as ineffective as their lack of participation.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 10:49 am

You can keep your god to yourself, thanks.

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MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 10:51 am

And what does that have to do with school shooters? Do you think religious individuals are bulletproof?

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 11:01 am

Religion is for churches, not educational facilities.

Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 11:17 am

And you can keep this violence. Have fun :)

political Georgia
06/10/14 11:20 am

If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it.

Oh...okay...sorry! I couldn't resist!

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 11:23 am

Your god not being in schools has nothing to do with the violence. Religious institutions are just as prone to violence as any other. Also, religion is me of the leading factors of conflict and killing. Oh, and your god is very murderous.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 11:23 am

I do like my healthcare plan, and I did keep it.

political Georgia
06/10/14 11:26 am

"Murderous"

...........

Religion is usually manipulated by leaders to get land, money, etc. That's not God's fault. That is people's fault.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 11:30 am

Well, let's see... How many people in your bible have been killed in the stories simply because they didn't agree with your god, among other reasons? Very many.

But If they do that with their "religious instructions," how is it a viable solution

Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 11:35 am

Your god has killed exponentially more than than you claim that mine has because of abortions alone.

political Georgia
06/10/14 11:35 am

Many people "disagreed with God". Jesus was the only perfect person that walked on this Earth. All of us have disagreed with God based on our actions. Luckily for everyone today, God sent his only son to die on the cross to save us from our sins.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 11:36 am

to this, or any problem, seeing as it has clearly failed. Perhaps address the real underlying issues, which mere religion cannot.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 11:37 am

My god? What god? I have none.
You must be speaking to yourself. Not very surprising.

And you can keep telling yourself that, political. By that record, it's tens of thousands.

political Georgia
06/10/14 11:38 am

So how would you fix the underlying issue, L?

Yes, I am changing the subject.

political Georgia
06/10/14 11:39 am

No! Need for me to tell myself that! Jesus Christ, my Lord told us all that!

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 11:50 am

Since the underlying issue is most clearly not a religious issue but is an issue of the mental healthcare and school security, we could start there.

And some pieces of paper told you that, actually. The same paper that is used to justify great

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 11:51 am

atrocities and injustices.

political Georgia
06/10/14 11:53 am

Oh! And it's not just "some piece of paper".

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 11:55 am

Oh, sorry. It's a lot of pieces of paper.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 11:57 am

Regardless, wouldn't you agree that the two areas I cited are in need of addressing? Forcing your religion on people isn't a solution, it's a problem.

political Georgia
06/10/14 12:00 pm

Woah woah woah! Who is forcing their religion onto anyone? You don't have to believe anything. If anything, schools are trying to push religion out of everything. I am surprised we still have a moment of silence.

political Georgia
06/10/14 12:01 pm

This isn't like Obamacare where you are forced to do something.

Pumpkin127
06/10/14 12:12 pm

Oh my gosh. You pay taxes. Get over it. Stop dragging the Affordable Healthcare Act into everything.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 12:15 pm

How would it not be? It is a blatant attempt to put your religion in place throughout schools. They are public educational facilities, not religious centers. There is no reason for it to be involved. It in no way benefits an individual's education.

political Georgia
06/10/14 12:22 pm

And how have I suggested to force you to become a Christian again?

Pumpkin, are you tired of me telling the truth about the unaffordable healthcare act?

Pumpkin127
06/10/14 12:24 pm

The ACA doesn't relate. And you're trying to put God into public schools.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 12:25 pm

Forcing your beliefs into practice throughout public schools, establishing a religion (violates the first amendment, by the way). You make it seem like Christians are the only people on Earth. News flash... They aren't!

political Georgia
06/10/14 12:35 pm

Oh my! Envious or bitter much? Can you maybe copy and paste a quote to ummm...you know back up your claims? Yes, you must also back up your hyperboles too!

Pumpkin127
06/10/14 12:38 pm

Do you not know what the first amendment is?

political Georgia
06/10/14 12:42 pm

Do you even know my governmental beliefs on this?

political Georgia
06/10/14 12:44 pm

1. I don't think a prayer establishes a religion.
2. Of course, I support separation of church and state which is why I oppose the government forcing Catholics to provide contraceptive coverage.
3. No one should be forced to pray.

Pumpkin127
06/10/14 12:44 pm

First Amendment guarantee freedom of religion. [It]... prohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. It enforces the "separation of church and state.
law.cornell.edu

Pumpkin127
06/10/14 12:45 pm

Well it really stinks that your personal ideologies and opinions don't change the first amendment.

political Georgia
06/10/14 12:46 pm

There is a reason why Rocker choose the word "let" vs "force".

Pumpkin127
06/10/14 12:48 pm

How much simpler can "separation of church and state" get? I'm sorry you don't agree. But allowing religion and prayer into PUBLIC schools violates our first amendment rights.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 12:50 pm

What is there to be envious or bitter about? Nothing. I didn't hyperbolize, either. It was a simple observation based on your desire to put your religion and yours alone into everything. There is no sense "letting" you ruin more things in that way.

political Georgia
06/10/14 1:31 pm

Pumpkin, what religion does an optional prayer establish?

Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 1:36 pm

MrL, your god is Satan. Abortion has killed tens of millions. How do you explain away that atrocity?

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 1:40 pm

Awe, cute. A mythological creature? No, I worship no such thing. What is there to explain, exactly? The only murders associated with abortions are the psychos who kill the doctors who perform them or the women who have exercised free control over

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 1:47 pm

their bodies. I was basing my comments on your book. Which doesn't matter much considering its lack of validity, but it was necessary to answer the question accordingly.

Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 1:50 pm

What about the psychos who think that the extermination of their own child is morally acceptable? You worship satan if you don't worship YHWH, MrL. If you look in the Bible, you would see that your actions and beliefs are diametrically opposed...

Rocker saved by grace
06/10/14 1:51 pm

To Christ's teaching. If you payed attention, you would see that Christ loved everyone.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 1:52 pm

Oh, I agree, killing a child is unacceptable. It's a good thing no abortions involve killing.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 1:58 pm

And again, there is no such thing as worshipping that which doesn't exist. To avoid wasting my time discussing the merits of your beliefs, let's return to the actual question and I'd like to hear your answer regarding the underlying conditions.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
06/10/14 2:01 pm

Do you think there are more direct solutions to the problem?

tokala
06/10/14 3:05 pm

Rocker, Satan is a Christian ideology. Atheists, Jewish, and Pagans don't believe in him. You may want to do some research before you try and argue that point.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
06/10/14 10:47 am

No. I think he's older than 18, and unsure he needs a refresher course.

Maybe going to a tech school for HVAC or auto body repair...

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Nemacyst No Lives Matter
06/10/14 10:47 am

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