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Shazam June 10th, 2014 5:09pm

Many times when a shooting makes the news, the shooter is quickly termed "mentally ill." Do you feel these shooters are truly ill and should be found innocent bc of insanity, or is this label being used to divert gun control discussions?

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redsox95 New England
06/11/14 5:15 pm

Wow. What a biased question. Probably the worst questions I've ever seen on SOH. terrible.

fergie Hobbit Hole
06/11/14 5:12 am

That question can't be answered. Biased answers.

06/11/14 5:04 am

Neither answer. Biased question

Torfin Never Behind
06/10/14 11:25 pm

It is my opinion that being found mentally ill should insure a more severe reaction from the court since these criminals are more likely than any other to repeat offend and should be removed from society.

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
06/10/14 9:53 pm

How are these the only two choices. Why would they be innocent? And what non-insane person shoots at bystanders? And how is saying they are crazy somehow a diversion from gun control. I think of the whole gun control issue like solving drunk driving

catpillow Florida West Coast
06/10/14 8:02 pm

We didn't have these problems before Ronald Reagan's presidency. We had a the federal community mental health centers program. When President Reagan and the Republicans took over, the Mental Health Systems Act was discarded and funding discontinued.

catpillow Florida West Coast
06/10/14 8:04 pm

One month prior to the election, President Carter had signed the Mental Health Systems Act (1980) which was supposed to continue funding. Instead, mentally ill people were left with no where to go for help. We should reinstate that system. It worked.

Rosebud Ohio
06/10/14 4:34 pm

Why would any sane person be the shooter in that scenario?

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/10/14 8:05 pm

ROSE - i dunno. I don't think that bad/evil person necessarily equates to insane. I think sometimes yes they're ill, but developing a skewed belief system that leads one to do something heinous doesn't make em crazy.

steelcity Pittsburgh
06/10/14 2:57 pm

I feel like they are ill and should be found guilty...because they are guilty.

06/10/14 1:02 pm

In certain cases, I would say there is an issue of legal insanity. In many, it's a diversion

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/10/14 8:06 pm

MATT - check your FB Messenger!

06/10/14 8:54 pm

Sorry! Will do. This is what I get for charging my phone

suppressedID suck it Kyle
06/10/14 12:47 pm

Clearly they're saying that Militia membership is a mental illness.

kspells TheOtherOtherside
06/10/14 12:19 pm

Mental illness isn't an insanity defense.insanity is not knowing right from wrong.MI is thinking wrong is right.The laws, charges,verdicts,& punishments,that apply differ.No one charged with murder gets a mentally stable gold star & innocent verdict

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/10/14 12:23 pm

KS - by that logic, the movie theater shooter should be found innocent bc of insanity. May not be back on the streets, but the DP and prison are not warranted.

kspells TheOtherOtherside
06/10/14 12:30 pm

Being found innocent? Is not close to what happens in reality. Not being found guilty as charged doesn't put anyone back on the street. Incarceration is a multi-level punishment. FYI we don't fuck around when it comes to locking up people.

InspectorSpooky Deep Underground
06/10/14 12:16 pm

I see it as a natural phenomenon, an inevitable part of our societies cycle. Like in the matrix Neo happens, in our system shooters happen. Mass shootings are just a symptom of deeper societal problems.

kindocologist Beer is my friend
06/10/14 11:25 am

Fortunately, most of them "suck start" the weapons they use.

rons Thanks America
06/10/14 11:19 am

They have mental issues like most of us. But theirs are evil. Why would two people have a fistfight over a baseball game or fathers fight at a little league game. mentally Ill? maybe just nuts!

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/10/14 12:04 pm

RONS - what does that mean? "Evil mental illness?"

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
06/10/14 10:51 am

Norman Goldman keeps asking the Q "If they're brown, they're a terrorist. If they're white, they're just insane and not a result of our culture. Why?"

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/10/14 12:15 pm

Case in point - Jared Miller and his wife.

MadCow True GOP
06/10/14 4:32 pm

You won't hear that question from Michael Berry.

Kay41 the Midwest
06/10/14 10:42 am

Mental illness is part of the cause for many of these instances. It cannot be viewed as an excuse though, just an explanation. They are still guilty of the crime they committed.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/10/14 10:30 am

I've never accepted the argument that there even is such a thing as innocent because of insanity. In my view, it is guilty, but insane. It is both excuse and valid. If you deliberately harm another person for "fun", I think you are insane.

Whichendisup uniquely unoriginal
06/10/14 10:49 am

"guilty by reason of insanity" - sounds good to me

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/10/14 12:20 pm

ZOD - do you see my point? Labeling them as "sick" steers the discussion away from what can be done to prevent reoccurrence to viewing the perps as almost an alien member of society. We cannot ID them, so....let's throw up or hands.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/10/14 1:54 pm

I do, but that isn't so much different than focusing on the inanimate tool as so many who see guns as a threat. We need a better way to identify and address the real problem.

KatG Liberal in Ohio
06/10/14 10:19 am

Oh without a doubt, it's an excuse. I'm sure some cases boil down to mental health but not everyone who goes on a rampage is loony.

KatG Liberal in Ohio
06/11/14 5:28 am

Yeah. I'm sure mental issues play a part in most rampages, but sometimes it's just plain anger. Sometimes it's the notoriety they want.

Zimmeress Make Me Laugh
06/11/14 9:09 am

Ah, ok. I get that.

pateach2 love my son
06/10/14 10:17 am

Sometimes they are but that doesn't make them less guilty.

Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/10/14 10:28 am

PA - it does though. If they are insane, they cannot be found guilty for their actions. I posted a link to the FOX report on James Holmes - the movie theater shooter from 2012. Here it is again:

rons Thanks America
06/10/14 11:21 am

The more of a reason to hang em high.

pateach2 love my son
06/11/14 11:07 am

I meant whether they're mentally ill or not they should still have the same repercussions.

06/10/14 10:12 am

I don't care whether they are mental ill or not. Guilt is guilt.