Do you think people opposed to gay rights see homosexuality as just an idea instead of realizing that these are actual living people?
I have gay friends, and just as I accept the fact they're gay, they accept the fact I don't agree with homosexuality. Sure, they're "living people" that I'm friends with; doesn't mean I have to agree with them. It doesn't mean I have to accept them.
what... That's so silly. What if I didn't agree with your sexuality? You'd think I was crazy. Its a two way street, my friend.
No I wouldn't...I would respect your opinion, just like you should accept mine. Bigotry is a "two way street my friend." Tell the LGBTQ community that
Bigotry of what? Intolerance of intolerance is not reverse bigotry or anything else you're trying to make up.
Make up? Bigotry is intolerance of one's opinion. Both sides do it. Not fiction just fact.
But if your opinion is intolerant, then you're intolerance of that intolerance is justified.
I never mentioned which side is justified. That's the problem now, everyone feels justified in their opinion instead of being UNDERSTANDING! I just said although I disagree w/ their sexuality, it's their choice to be gay, and my right to disagree.
Holy shit, it's not a choice. I forget we all choose our sexuality at age 5, right? Jesus, nothing bugs me more than this. Not an opinion.
Nothing bugs me more than people thinking it's not a choice...it is a damn choice! It's not natural! If that's the case, everyone could mate w/ anyone, male or female, and create life. People who I know admit that it's a choice. Unfortunately...
It's caused by molestation, sexual assault, or something along those lines...IT IS A CHOICE!!!
Fucking dumb. I'm gay. I wasn't molested. I had a father figure. Pretty stable life, asshole.
Wow, I'm an asshole for stating what I know. THAT sounds fucking dumb to me! What, are you the spokesperson for all gays? Have you had all the experiences of gays? I don't think so; my gay friends would be quite insulted by your comments, ASSHOLE!!!!
Sexuality isn't a choice. It's that simple. Are YOU a spokesperson for gay people? I can choose to like women as well as you can choose to like men (or women, if you're female). Go out tomorrow and get aroused by a guy (or woman) and produce...
...romantic feelings for them. According to you, that's possible!
Just because you gather a liking for someone does not mean it's romantic...I love my brother, I love my friends, but I'm not going bend down on one knee and propose! Some people can even make themselves believe they're in love as well when it's just
Arousal and/or lust.
Sexuality IS a CHOICE
Sex is a choice; sexuality is not. I'm not confused. If you don't understand the difference between the familial love and romantic love, then I can't do anything for ya. I love my grandfather and my brother, but I'm only gonna marry my boyfriend.
Sexuality is a choice? When did you make your choice? Sounds like a good campfire story. You know, "age 7 I chose to like girls, but I kept my options open so I could choose to like boys later...maybe around age 23...maybe later."
You know what, I'm not confused either, and I understand the difference well. You're entitled to your opinion, and you can marry who you want. I'm entitled to mine. In the end, I'm going to love my wife, and we will all face God in the end.
Hah, I figured that would be your response because you can't come clean that you're wrong. Why dont you go fall in love with a man? It's your choice! Jesus...
If it were a choice, then why doesn't straight porn turn me on? That shit's nasty. Do you enjoy gay porn? Does it get you going?
First, let me say that I'm tired of responding to ignorance. That porn stuff you just tried to pull is sick & disgusting. Second, in your case, using Jesus' name is hypocritical, STOP! If you want to read something on Jesus and see the conclusion of
My argument...read Romans Chapter 1, get back to me on your thoughts, and I will gladly continue to prove you wrong.
Jesus was just a man. Jesus said nothing about choosing your sexuality and neither did "God".
Oh, did the mentioning of sex disturb you? Boobs don't turn me on, either. I mean, you're disgusting me too with your inclusion of religion.
Wow, it's disgusting to talk about religion? Lol! I bet you didn't even read it...like all gays, refusing to read and face the truth. The sexuality part was not disturbing but disgusting...I enjoy seeing the BEAUTY OF A WOMAN! Does loving a WOMAN
Disturb YOU? I love women! I love my wife! Man and woman = marriage! Hope this isn't disturbing...
If you would have read the chapter, GOD CLEARLY talks about homosexuality! Come on, READ, just read!
Nope, I've read it all because disgusting people like you make all gay people feel inferior. Like we're wrong and disgusting. Please know I don't feel inferior to you and your religion. You can love women, but I dont. Goodbye. You're we riding me out
Excuse me, you're riding me out; I tried to end this, but you had to get your point in. You're disgusting with your sick reference to porn. Now I mention the Bible and you concede just like all gays when I tell them to read Romans 1. You can't handle
The truth. Goodnight.
I'm not conceding anything. Remember, its YOU who still never answered my question. Its YOU who can't think without using a religion and a fictional cloud man. Get real
I am real dude. Get w/ the program. I love how you guys say we keep using religion as if you guys don't constantly run to the Constitution to solve your problems. I answered your question loud and clear. As we both are from the East Coast, it is late
I have proven my case because you have yet to express your feelings on Romans 1. Goodnight
The constitution is a legal document concerning rights and laws in this country. The bible is not. However, the constitution does not mention sexuality. And, neither does the bible depending on how you look at it. Sexuality is deeper than...
..."lay with a man."
I'm not reading your bible. It doesn't apply to my life, my rights, or the laws of this country. Romans is irrelevant. You have not presented anything credible, so I must conclude that you have no idea what you're talking about. Goodnight.
Funny how the very men that orchestrated the beloved Constitution were men that believed in Bible, God, and religion. It applies ,whether YOU read it or not. You just are choosing not to read it. Now please, you are disturbing my wife and I.
That's how it was for me. When it was an abstract issue, condemning homosexuality was easy. When one of my close friends came out as gay, suddenly everything was a little bit less clear.
Why was it unclear. You either stand on what God tells us or in rebellion to God. Pretty simple.
Let me guess: you don't have any gay friends?
There are homosexuals with whom I work but they certainly don't go to church with me.
Do you have any friends who are thieves or liars? Same thing, different SIN.
I'm not friends with people I know to be habitual thieves or liars, no. Those are acts that harm other people.
But that's besides my point. I was suggesting the reason you don't understand my thinking is that you don't have personal relationships
with gay people. It seems I was correct. Perhaps if you had an experience like mine you would then understand why it affected me the way it did.
What people need to realize is that marriage laws have always been set by the States. When interracial marriage was banned, it was done so at the State level. Likewise when it was lifted. It doesn't take a federal law to get whiny people what they
Want! Furthermore, marriage in itself is a religious institution. It is a joining of two people before God. Now before you get all butt hurt that I'm bringing up how being gay is a sin, so is lying, cheating, stealing, murder, rape, and countless
Other acts. Unlike us, God doesn't have tiers by which he judges our sins. Every sin is equally condemnable and, most importantly, equally forgivable. I do not for one second think that God will condemn two people who love each other just because
They're the same sex. You love who you love and that is a beautiful thing. That said, you do NOT need to be governed by the marriage laws of man to be viewed as married in the eyes of God. Personally, I think the government should stop recognizing
ALL marriages and just call it what it is; a contractual bond between people that gives them specific legal and tax privileges. It's called a civil union and legally it should be between whomever the hell wants to be bound by said union. Even if
They're the same sex. Hell, you could be brother and sister for all I care. Marriage in this country is not marriage. So all you gays that are kicking and screaming for gay marriage, take what I just said into consideration. Hell, EVERYONE needs to.
"When interracial marriage was banned, it was done so at the State level. Likewise when it was lifted."
I'll just leave this here...
The ban was at the State level and had already been found Constitutional in the 1880s. Then during the civil rights push, SCOTUS reversed the 1880s decision (again proving my disdain for SCOTUS' voluntary appropriation of the power of judicial
review). But I digress. What I meant by "at the State level" was where the laws were generated. And yes, even despite this SCOTUS ruling, it was not any federal legislation that allowed interracial marriage. That aside, States have the authority to
Regulate marriage and SCOTUS was right to strike down a law that jailed people for marrying (despite my hatred for their alleged power to do that). However, your love for judicial review also upheld parts of DOMA which allows for States to define
Marriage as a union between one man and one woman. But I digress. You clearly just wanted to start shit Ms. Beth. Otherwise you would have noticed everything else that I said instead of nit picking one detail.
what the heck? I think you're contradicting yourself here. Do you know the history of interracial marriage? did you even read loving?
Derek, I suggest you take it more gracefully next time someone politely corrects a factual inaccuracy in one of your comments.
And don't pretend that you have a problem with judicial review. You disagree w Citizens United? Agree w NFIB v Sebelius?
I have maintained my disdain for judicial review. Yes, there have been laws upheld by SCOTUS that I agree with. That does not mean that I agree they should have that power. And I already addressed my "factual error" in my previous comments.
I wasn't asking about the laws. I'm testing your intellectual consistency. If you truly oppose judicial review in the abstract, then you must believe that Citizens United was incorrectly decided and that NFIB was substantially correct. Do you?
I do not care or try to analyze, the big deal that's made of it just turns me off
convenient for you. it's not more rights for you, so why care, right?
It's not an idea. It's a choice of behavior. People are judged based on the choices they make. That's how life is.
But you don't choose who you fall in love with
Tendencies towards homosexual thoughts do not force you to act. You choose who you sleep with.
I think that's generally true of all anti-rights folks. They aren't looking at people as people.
There may be an element of truth in that. I never understand politicians and others who "evolve" because it turns out they have "a gay" in the family.
It's as though they don't understand that gay people are ordinary people with jobs, aspirations and interests that have nothing to do with orientation. Instead they fixate on the one issue and dehumanize homosexuals.
It's the only way I can understand some of the execrable conduct towards homosexuals. It's the "not like us" reaction that has allowed people to conduct atrocities on other people since the beginning of human society.
I don't see anywhere in the Bible where God tells us sexual immorality is acceptable if you love the other person. I don't know WHAT GOD you believe in but it certainly IS NIT JESUS.
Wow. Nut job alert.
God/Jesus tells you a lot of shit you ignore. Why pick this one?
No. I think most of the people opposed, are so because of religion.
It is God alone that tells us what is morally acceptable. If you reject God's will for your life it opens up all sorts of doors for Satan to destroy you.
We Christians realize these are people who are consumed by their sin. The problem is that instead of sure ending their sin filled lives to Christ, they want society to embrace their sin. This will lead to an eternity which most dismiss as fantasy.
It's not a sin to love someone
You are correct. It IS A SIN to engage in sexual immorality as God has defined in His Word.
Ok. Typically u have sex because you love someone. (Let's just say tat for this). It shouldn't matter where you put your "thing" as long as they love each other be it girl-girl, guy-guy or girl-guy. Mi believe in God btw
Sex is not motivated by love. It is motivated by physical desires. I love my mom, but I don't try to bone her. Same for my friends. I love them, I don't try to have sex with them.
There's different kinds of love. There's family love (mom, dad, bro, sis, etc) friendly love (friends), and romantic love (gf, bf, husband, wife)
It's still motivated by physical desires.
That may be. Having never done it before I wouldn't know
There's no rush. Sex is great, but it's not worth it to give it away for free. When you find a good, kind, gentleman, you make him give you a wedding first. He'll appreciate you more.
God help us! The link you posted immediately portrays a lack of understanding of many Christian's beliefs. "Being gay" is not a sin. Gay sex is a sin.
Now, the link also assumed religion is where all people's opposition to gay marriage is rooted.
I've heard no reason besides a religious one or the red herring fallacy of saying no marriage should be recognized
I know many atheists that are against gay marriage.
Can you tell me their reasons?
And I'm not saying only Christians can be opposed
the point of this question is that i think many people see homosexuality as an idea
Many of the male atheists I know , that are for traditional marriage, are disgusted by homosexuality. I think it's more about the act, and misconception of their "love" for same sex, than the people or the idea.
Also, many women I know are for it.
Is lying an idea as well? With the same token, one could say people forget liars are actual people.
Since this poll is speaking mostly about religion, I will allude to my personal religious beliefs.
FYI, I do believe atheists, gays, liars, etc could to go to Heaven.
And no, I don't think all Christians will go to Heaven
The poll says nothing about religion
Your link does.
What's there to be disgusted about haha
no, I think most are very aware that homosexuals are real people. i think that's the problem.
Maybe in the past, but in today's society with so many (except heterosexuals) waving their various sexuality-related facets and making it the primary thing that defines them, it's hard to not know or at least recognize them as real people.
Some but not all