Are teachers underpaid?
Yes they are underpaid but we also need to raise our standards of teachers. Thanks to unions too many get complacent and it's the youth that suffers as a result.
Just like any other proffesion, good pay attracts good candidates.
Good teachers are not paid enough and bad ones are over paid.
Some are underpaid, of course.
Some are overpaid, of course.
The problem is that because of that incongruity, many who would be excellent teachers will avoid that career because it's not clear that they'll be paid for their work.
My wife had a job in the attendance office in a large HS. She was paid more that the starting teachers. Not saying she was overpaid either!
The good ones are.
No, and the math teachers in highschool in Wisconsin should be paid less cause their terrible.
agree! my math teacher would fall asleep while we worked on assignments. he taught us for 15 min out of 45 min class. he expected the class to understand algebra right away.
Teachers are the most underpaid professionals there are. Anyone who disagrees doesn't know shit.
Not here in PA by a long shot.
Most are simply under-qualified. We need higher education standards for our teachers. We need to make the education schools much harder to get into and much harder to complete. Then we need to pay our teachers much more. Teaching should be a high...
...status profession. Today, it's an afterthought in our colleges and universities.
I believe most are under paid. Of course, there are those that should find a different career.
I don't think so, I know a couple of them that make enough to have houses, decent cars and go on month long vacations to South America, Bahamas and Germany.
I haven't taken a vacation in years.
No, especially considering they are all but unfireable.
The teachers in my district make upwards of 100k. But the special ed teachers make like nothing.
Some are (ones who start at like $25k), but some (professors making $125k for teaching about things like history and let their TAs do everything) are grossly overpaid.
Professors and k-12 teachers are totally different
Professors actually only make around 40-50k generally and its a very unstable profession. If you don't hot your quota of research your ass is gone.
Good teachers are oftentimes underpaid. The problem is that the poor teachers are rewarded with similar pay when they fail to perform their jobs. Kinda like a weatherman.
Some teachers are good at creating and maintaining boundaries. Those teachers are paid fairly. Other teachers constantly have more and more asked of them. If they doing everything possible they work a lot more and don't get compensated more.
They should be paid based on their results, not on a blanket union agreement.
There are too many lazy teachers that have been on auto-pilot for years and they get paid the same as the exceptional ones. That's not right.
Some are some are not. The problem is bad teachers and good teachers often get paid the same. There is not a good system to pay teachers more; who do more & perform better; it is also hard to measure success due to the disparity in different classes
The average teacher in Oregon earns slightly above the States median household income. They have 2 months off a year and very generous pension and health insurance. That is not underpaid.
What is their average pay here?
Click on this link- go to page 12 - www.osba.org/~/media/Files/Resources/Employee%20Management/2013-14%20Salary%20Survey%20Book.pdf It varies by district. The average HOUSEHOLD income in OR is $48k. The average range here is much higher.
I don't think so.
Some of them are overpaid. Some are underpaid. Unionism means they sucky ones get paid the same.
We agree!!!! Haha
which other profession do you get 3 months off and get paid for it?
I don't think they are underpaid. I have a degree. they make more money than me, and I don't get 3 months off.
It's only June and July that they have off and most of them spend that time getting more education or teaching summer school.
Do you work in the field you have a degree in?
oh, sorry, two full months off. I have friends here that teach that have three months off. regardless.
I understand they stay busy with things, they also don't have to. my friend spends three months in the canyons of utah, hiking, & repelling
my point is they have some perks that no other professions have.
For what they put up with in the classroom...yes they are under paid. Children are rude and don't care, which is the parents fault. The treat K-12 as a daycare.
Something as important as the education of the future should make more than $40K a year.
I think 40k should be the starting salary in AZ. Sadly it's much lower
Maybe in some parts of the country they are not, but atleast in AZ they are.
Some are. Some are overpaid for their ability.
1) No one working voluntarily is being "underpaid," if there is such a thing.
2) At least here, they're paid quite handsomely, and about to get a massive raise.
3) "Education" lobbying groups virtually always oppose with an iron fist anything resembling performance pay. This leads to all teachers being paid on the same schedule, meaning everyone must be paid based on the lowest common denominator.
If they were, wouldn't there be a shortage of them? I think it would be great to pay the best of them more, and let the least effective of them go, but I don't know how you determine they are generally underpaid any more than anyone else.
As usual, good point.
What does "underpaid" mean?
Everyone wants to earn more money, and we could all probably argue we deserve to make more.
But if you agree to work for a particular wage, then you're admitting that wage meets some basic criteria for being "enough."
Teachers sign their contracts, so they agree to their wage.
By definition, that means they agreed that it is sufficient.
Teachers who don't think it's enough go work somewhere else, switch careers, or somehow negotiate more money.
Teachers in private schools make less that public school teachers. And they do it by choice because they prefer that environment.
Studies also show they're happier than teachers in public schools despite earning less.
I agree with you that teachers sign a contract and know what they are getting paid. This is why the teaching profession is losing out on so many bright minds and bright teachers who just cannot afford to raise a family on that salary.
yes, but I don't necessarily think think should be paid more. Money is already stretched thin, and teachers go into that profession knowing they aren't ever going to make much money.
I believed they are very underpaid.
Definitely!!!! They are very important to this society! They should be payed a great salary. I mean nothing ridiculous, but definitely good. The training to become a teacher should be so much more advanced as well. And we should focus on problem
Solving measures rather than just memorizations of standardized testing. Countries that do that produce higher test scores on standardized test anyways. And we should group kids in area of study not just by grade level.
I agree with more advanced and rigorous teaching training.
Yes, especially in Republican school districts.
The southern part of my state is democratic. And we pay are teachers like the 49th worst. So it's also democratic districts as well.
There are exceptions to every rule, yes.
oh that's right Baltimore City pays there teachers the most, said no one ever!!
They are on the clock 9 months per year. It's natural that they would be paid less than desirable wages compared to those who work 12.
10 months, actually, and I have a number of week long trainings over the summer.
10 months. And I am willing to bet that most teachers log between 50-60 hours a week.
Okay. 10 months. I know plenty if people in private industries that work 50-60 hours per week for 12 months and make less than a teacher. Teachers don't have any accountability. The really great ones don't get credit they deserve and their hands are
Also, teachers (at least in my state) have to log professional training hours in order to continue teaching. And, in order to continue getting a raise I had to get a Masters degree plus an additional 45 hours behind that all paid for my myself.
Total investment was between $15,000-20,000.
Of yeah, I also spend my own money for supplies for my classroom. At least $500 a year.
Tied to get what they need to do done. But it's also full of shitty teachers who use it as a résumé bullet and don't give a shit about teaching. How about we focus on getting great teachers in the classrooms, and then we can talk about their pay?
Yes, we have to log professional development hours as well. NC is currently discouraging teachers from getting their masters, although I would like to get mine in the near future.
Now, having said that.... I personally feel like I am paid fairly but I know many many teachers are not.
Why are they discouraging it?
Ms. Kay, you seem to really care about teaching and I know that there are many great teachers who don't get paid what they're worth. That is a travesty. But how many teachers do you know who don't care?
I have been in the profession for 26 years and know a lot of teachers. I can honestly say that the vast majority of teachers really do care. Right now though, I feel that teachers have very low morale.
I also sent three sons through public school. In all their years I only came across two teachers who I felt didn't care. Which, yes, is two too many.
Maybe you should consider running for the school board.
I have thought about it.Hopefully you aren't being sarcastic and I am just not catching it. :)
I think part of the problem in our society is perception. It is kind of like police officers... a few bad ones spoil the reputation of the many, many good
True that. And no, I'm being serious. The only problem I see is that you live in the People's Republic of Illinois...
Haha... you are right. That is a big problem.
You should move to Texas! We love our teachers here! Plus cost of living is WAAYY lower. And Texas is a place in which you are given the right to defend yourself, your family, and your property. And soon, you'll have the right to defend your students
A Houston school district actually came to Raleigh to recruit teachers because try pay starting teachers 16,000 more than NC
I didn't know that! Houston is a great city! You should consider it!
My family was pushing me to look into it, but I didn't. I already told the school and my kids I was coming back next year. I didn't want to go back on that. I know eventually I'll have to, but I don't want to leave my kids yet.
Well that is certainly understandable. But Houston really is a great place to live and it will be better when I get elected to city council. :-)
Haha good luck :)
I don't plan to stay in NC for forever, but for now, I just can't leave.
Thank you Ms. Emily. And Houston will still be here whenever you're ready! :-)
Maybe not everywhere, but they are in a lot of areas.
In your area they share are.
Teachers haven't had a raise in years in NC. We also don't have teacher unions.
NC has a reputation for treating teachers rather poorly, which is going to drive good teachers away and bring the overall quality of education down in NC.
No, mostly underqualified
I don't know. I don't keep up with what teachers make but they say they are underpaid. But a lot of people say they are underpaid.
In my state, very much so.
Oh God yes.
I said no although I'm sure some are. I think teachers should be paid according to their ability not according to the union pay scale.