You have a concealed handgun license and are always packing. One day you must enter a gun free zone. You know nobody will notice your concealed weapon. Before entering, do you?
The only place I don't carry is a government building like a Federal building, post office or court house. But, I seldom go to those places.
I accidentally brought my gun into a restaurant. But more than 51% of their income was from alcohol sales so I had to walk back to my car and put my gun away.
But would anyone have known the difference if you weren't imbibing or revealed the weapon? Was your action unnecessary if nobody discovered your secret?
Not likely considering I was in the restaurant for a good half hour before i realized it. But I like having a chl and won't to anything intentionally to have it taken from me.
I respect that. My poll's intention was to get a feel for the percentages either way.
You most likely won't need it unless you are in a dangerous part of town
True, but you never know. Gun free zones are safe havens for criminals who want collateral damage.
So my bf does this all the time.
He wears it to church or malls, but his mom works at a federal building south of us (obv he doesn't wear it there)
Does this affect or bother you?
No why would it.??
I feel safer
Just confirming. That was the right response.
Eliminate gun-free zones. Problem solved.
Likely, they will increase in today's backwards society. I hope not.
I find it funny that so many of you would break the rules of a private business. If you don't agree with them you shouldn't be a patron anyways.
That's one reason I asked the question. Remember, in this scenario nobody sees your piece. The media has made the possession of a firearm as verboten as saying nigger.
I have shit to do and I carry. I'm not going to leave it at home because some business may have some bullshit liberal pandering sign.
If I have a permit to carry, I know the law and have agreed to abide by it. It doesn't matter if I agree with it or not, I will honor my commitment. If I was just going to break the law anyway, why bother with the permit at all?
Fair enough. That is a consciously moral decision; what if everyplace erected signs which ultimately trumped your CHL? Just a question.
You mean like private businesses barring firearms from their places of business? No problem at all. Their perfectly reasonably choice, and my choice to go there or not. Undue restrictions on most public property would rightfully fail in my state.
I would hope they would fail but I never underestimate the ignorance of the politicians.
I follow the law, even if I disagree with it.
Fair enough, but would you kill your neighbor simply because a law told you to?
@rebel, Because I don't want to run the risk of losing my right to carry. I don't visit gun free zones if I don't have to. Because of this.
Killing a neighbor and not carrying are two very different things.
I'm glad you can discern this difference.
I would avoid such a dangerous place.
I will NEVER NEVER carry a gun for any reason EVER.
Good luck protecting your children
My children are grown and sadly they like guns like their father.
Sounds like dad taught them well ...
exactly. my bet is they are completely responsible. unless it's one of those guns that possess the soul and mind of the wielder, like you libs think happens.
Smiley, have you ever discharged a firearm?
When you said never never I thought you meant it like you would never not carry a gun.
I have never shot a gun and I never will. My husband has a dam boat load of guns and it pisses me off very much.
Did you have a bad experience with guns in the past or something?
I don't like them.
I don't like all the money he wastes on guns and associated shit.
I don't like the thought off all the fools out in the world with guns.
again, smiley, your stance sounds very emotional, not based in fact.
Smiley, I agree with Rebel that your reasoning isn't based in factual data .There are hobbies my wife enjoys that I have no interest in,but it's what she enjoys, so I support her..EVEN IF I DISLIKE IT ! You may be grateful someday you have guns there
What do you do with you weapon! Put it in the gun bin? Give it to the hatcheck? What?
Depends on signage....if it's the LEGAL sign required in Texas, and I HAVE to go ...no I won't carry.....If it's a "request" or "preference" of the business, and has no legal power, I will carry there....
This. There's more than one place around here with a sign that's not legally binding. If it's not the specific sign in an easily visible place, I continue to carry.
Chipotle tries to do that here. I laugh.
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
But the judging by 12 is getting a bit dicey too! ;0)
If your carrying it properly, no one will ever know.
Federal property? Absolutely. State it local law? Probably. Chipotle or Starbucks? Fuck them.
Federal property? You would carry onto a military base?
The opposite. I would never consider carrying there. The question was like a triple negative.
It would depend on the gun free zone I guess. College campus, probably ignore. Elementary school, gonna follow.
Well mostly because people get defensive about their kids and I don't want to go to jail because people mistake me for Adam Lanza, or by some chance a security guard sees my weapon and just shoots rather than ask questions. Pick my battle mentality.
understandable although I wish it wasn't the case. parents are so fuckin ape-like in their panicky nature. "children! children!" It's irrational.
But nobody's going to know you have heat but you.
So now your parenting other people's kids?
Parenting other peoples kids is pretty common in these comments. Most of these people don't have kids but highly value their own opinion.
Not surprising that those who so loudly insist on 2nd amendment rights also feel it is ok to break local laws regarding concealed weapons. Breaking the law is just that, regardless of personal views
it's not always breaking the law to enter a restaurant or store with a gun free zone sign. It may be their rule but not the law.
Glock, Jay lives in Oregon. These things are now foreign to the NW.
jay, use some brain cells.
@Reb - have you seen some of the personal attacks from him towards chickencookie? He's a complete douchebag and fucktard.
A Liberal gun free zone is exactly where is like a gun. They're the most dangerous places.
"Law abiding gun owner" kind of goes out the window if you don't abide by the law.
It's not always the law. In mn it's perfectly legal to ignore those signs.
But can you depend on the government to protect you when seconds count?
In Texas, there is specific signage that MUST be posted, when that signage is there, I do not enter and take my business elsewhere ..places like Chipotle prefer guns to not be taken into their business, but don't post the legal signs preventing it
Same here. Unless they gave the specific sign placed in an easily visible place, it's not legally a gun free zone. In which case you're not breaking the law by carrying.
Rose, is that excuse really going to hold water if by chance you are discovered? I don't disagree, but wondered what respect folks really offered these signs. If crap gets worse, you may see people not care anymore, especially in Texas.
Dio it's held up in court before.
Really? I'd be thrilled to see the cases. I'll StartPage them in a sec.
The way it works in Texas is the owner can ask you to leave, and if you don't, then a charge of trespassing can be filed. Unless the specific signage is posted, they can't bring charges for carrying the weapon
That's exactly how it works in MN as well.
There are 2 legal signs in Texas....the 30.06 sign and the 51 percent sign .. If they are posted, then you can't bring a firearm in the business legally...
But why a trespassing violation versus a more retardant law?
Here's an interesting case I found:
Texas doesn't have open carry, and the law is specific as to signage to make it easy on CHL holders...businesses must make an extra effort to forbid firearms, and the pro-gun Texas legislature intended it this way ...
I know TX doesn't have open carry. This case was in PA. I just felt like sharing after looking for an example of Rosebud's comment.
I have this issue every day.
concealed is concealed
I'm going to laugh when you're arrested someday for breaking a law and end up getting tazed because you won't comply with local police. Let's just hope it's tazed and that you carrying isn't what gets you shot. Carrying just to carry is just silly.
It's not illegal to ignore those signs here. I carry everyday because nut jobs shoot up places you'd never expect: malls, movie theaters, political events. THATS why I carry, so it's clearly rational. I know your liberal heart doesn't like it.
And whenever I have police interactions I tell them I'm carrying. Last thing I need is some trigger happy adrenaline junkie with legal immunity to get away with another murder.
Last statement is simply retarded. And I don't support retards carrying.
get over it.
It's what you portray Rebel. You blame my observations of you on my "liberal heart" even though, as I've said, I'm not that liberal. You can't explain away 3G's response on a liberal anything. It's just what you put out there.
All 3's statement was was a response to a knock on what is likely his career
Seems like common sense to me.
Obey the laws and the won't get messed with.
and if the next gun free zone to get shot up is that one? Then what?
So just break the laws that are in place so stricter laws are made and enforced. ...not a good idea.
WE are not the protector of the people. There are police that are trained and allowed to carry in those zones.
I distrust cops but if the...
...order is broken and some reject trying to protect a school gets caught with a gun they are going to be arrested and "a mass shooting will have been averted".
wow. ok, one, it's not always a crime to ignore those signs. many states they have no legal weight whatsoever, MN being one of them. and the police? that's ridiculous. They're 15 mins away, and they'll get there to clean your body up. I'll be alive.
You are seeing what you want in my words.
If YOU are caught with the gun on school property they will brand you as a school shooter. There is a reason for the signs that if you don't respect then why does anyone else?
I've never noticed your lisp before, EM.
Carry where you want. I carry where I am allowed.
Do you carry on military bases? Very dangerous place with lots of unstable PTSD crazed patriots... I don't carry on base because I am not allowed to unless issued a weapon.
Schools and malls are...
...made dangerous by people carrying guns there.
That guy in the theater....a real good dude? Concealed carry and everything legal...just don't text near him or you'll get it.
You take isolated incidents and present them as evidence for....something.
Just recent events. I am for safety and concealed carry. Love open carry as long as five guys don't roll into a diner with rifles...
The criminals are just that.
The people that are carrying legally need to wake up. Do it right.
Find me one example of someone carrying openly who suddenly decided to shoot up the place. Just one.
(Don't waste your time. You can't)
Most armed robberies.
Justin Bourque. (Crazy Canadian.)
Aaron Ybarra. (Yesterday?)
Dennis Marx. (Today...)
I can read some more articles to find more...there are plenty more than one.
If your return is to address the "suddenly" portion of your reply...don't bother.
Are you going to require everyone to wear badges displaying if they are mentally stable and have not been planning horrible things for the last month...?
Many attackers that plan an event do walk with weapons concealed originally. Which is smart.
Some just don't care. They are mentally ill and walk into a crowd and open fire.
munkey, where is the fine print after "bear arms" that says it must be according to all of this imaginary arbitrary criteria?
I am going to need a more clear question before I can accurately respond.
Imaginary arbitrary criteria?
Can you cite and example from one of my replies?