Do you think the recently released U.S. soldier Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl deserted his post in Afghanistan before being captured by the Taliban?
Friends, we are so quick to judge each other based on group. Sure it's easy to discredit others because they are "obamalovers" or "only watch fox" but we are all one people and must learn from each other. Let's have a debate about the real situation.
He was never legally declared a deserter, so no.
He was searched for by his platoon
Good we all know the facts
It is not even a question of whether he deserted, but whether he turned traitor as well.
this trade is criminal
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck...
then his name is Donald?
Thanks for making me laugh!
There is no solid evidence to prove otherwise. He made discrediting comments, his "comrades" had serious doubt, & 6 soldiers died because of his behavior. The entire affair was botched including Obama's abuse of power. Don't negotiate with the enemy.
Six soldiers died because of his conduct? That's FOX again. No proof of that. Are you saying we should send men & women to die for due process and then deny it to one of those who went? Un-American.
How did they die?
Seriously...they were in a combat zone during a war. How did they die? Killed by enemy while on patrol. Sadly.
No danwh12, they were killed looking for him because he was seen walking off and BTW I don't watch FOX. But you might want to listen or read more reliable sources. Also, I'm not saying he is guilty but it sure doesn't look good too many variables.
What makes everyone think they know more than the solders on the ground with him? Is it more probable that six or more honorable guys got together and made something up or that a guy no one disputes walked away is a deserter?
They were killed by the enemy while on a patrol they would have been on anyway. There are reports that these men were told to keep a look out for him. But again, don't you think we should have some testimony before we hang him? I mean what the hell
Do you think these guys are fighting for?
Danwh12, absolutely and that's what I've been saying all along. Don't make him a hero until we have all the facts. But I would say this, DoD & après. should have done a much more detailed analysis before rather than making a fool of themselves after.
So if he did desert should we leave him there?
I'm not saying we just leave him there to die nor hang him. He just wasn't worth what we gave up. And it's outright bulls**t he's being glorified while his platoon is slandered. It's sad folks are willing to abandon common sense to protect Obama
Ahh democrats... nearly half of them would jump off a building if Obama told em to. His platoon mates have told us repeatedly that he left his post and went AWOL. He's a deserter, end of story.
George bush was a deserter. He was gone for a year and the man was given the presidency for Christ sake. Just shut up because you don't know for sure what happened do you?
Wow 6 years and idiots are still blaming George W Bush
I don't blame him for anything he didn't do the way you guys like to with Obama. The man was a deserter and then president. That's a fact. He also started a war in Iraq to get money into his buddies pockets. No that is a real scandal! Moron.
How does all this affect how countries like Russia view Obama? Does it increase or decrease their respect for us?
That actually is an interesting question, but I for one wouldn't be able to look his parents or loved ones in the eye and tell them that we are not bringing him home to maintain the national image. Does that means it's wrong or right? I can't say...
There's no question that he deserted. There's little question that he intentionally sought out the Taliban. The only open question is whether he voluntarily gave the Taliban information that helped them kill other soldiers.
His platoon mates say that after he left the Taliban were suddenly much more effective, getting direct hits on vehicles with IEDs and anticipating their reactions to ambushes and attacks. That is at the least very suspicious.
You can't say anything for sure. speculation. that's all this is.
That's exactly what suspicion is. Speculation.
The only evidence on the table is that the Taliban say he trained them in bomb making and infantry tactics. You can see I give that claim it's very little due.
"There's no question"...are you kidding. I have questions. I'm not ready to just say he's guilty without even a trial. Are you a Taliban? Just wondering because that's what they do. His platoon mates have every right to speak out and we should listen
To them but, don't forget that they are pretty much on a conservative media tour and their handlers are all well known righties!
I think he probably walked. But he does not have to deserve to come home. I'll wait for the rest of the story. Guess it's too reminiscence of our Vietnam soldiers' homecoming.
Wow! This pol is like MiracleGrow for right wing nuts! Read some of the comments for yourself and you'll see we really need a much bigger rubber room. Lie, blame, spew hate and offer no alternative ideas. Way to go GOP!!!!
i dont understand the meaning of this comment
It's all about making a huge political divide over ANY issue possible. It's pathetic. They have no integrity. As many will point out, when Reagan did it, he was a hero. When and R did it, it was ok... When Obama does it, all hell breaks loose
Just because you're too stupid or too blind to see the issues involved here doesn't mean the rest of us are.
no. pretty sure the real stupid people are the ones making much so much over nothing. There is no real issue here. It's a prisoner swap. They've happened for centuries
You're right biscuit most of the comments here are made by FOX friends.
It shows me why I'm an Independent...SMH
Lol. Every news organization is all over this story. An unexpected outbreak of journalism.
I think it's pretty much proven by now that he's deserted his post.
Sheesh, it just keeps getting worse and worse.
When soldiers come home, do we hug them and thank them for their service? Or do we ask each of them if they made a bad choice and froze or killed innocents or left their post? Do we metaphorically spit on this man because we hate obama?
I heard a very interesting discussion on the radio about the history of desertion by soldiers during world war 2, including its relationship with mental exhaustion. Compassion is the best response we can give.
This is my feeling. War is terrible and some can't cope; we've seen the dramatic increase in PTSD. Its not a reason to leave them to die since we put him there.
Desertion in the face of the enemy is the ONLY charge in the military for which you can be sentenced to due by hanging. It is a BIG deal. He didn't just desert, he went over to the enemy and gave them information that helped them kill soldiers.
And so you decided he's a deserter so kill him? Uh what about the military justice that you just referred to? Does he get any? Or should we sub-contract the Taliban?
No one put him there. He joined the army during wartime voluntarily.
Dan you'll get along better here if you don't waste everyone's time by putting words in their mouth. You don't need SOH to have an argument with yourself.
3gun, I never put any words in your mouth. Are you trying to pretend you want to give him a fair trial? What makes you think I was quoting you? Do you think your posts are objective? Are you a moron?
Obama didn't give notice to congress and gave 5 terrorists back.... He negotiated with terriosts, not with congress
Negotiate with congress? How has that been going?
Head up ur ass! They were enemy combatants, POW's. Taliban are horrible but not terrorists. And since when has Obama refused to negotiate with congress. That's a FOX talking point. Why not think for yourself?
How is that McCain and the rest of the repubs knew about the deal including the 5 named Taliban back in 2011 and thought it was a good deal then, the Pres actually pulls it off and now it's a bad deal?
They shouldn't ask this question, let the soldier tell his story.
American soldiers should always be retrieved. Judgements must be determined later.
And I'm a strong conservative but I had a kid in Iraq for 2 tours. Americans should be rescued.
I agree. What people are worried about is that he won't be held accountable.
If he's a traitor, all the more reason to go get him. It is a shame to waste another soldier's life for a traitor, but you don't want to leave him behind either. Justice is a messy business.
He walked off his post knowingly and wantingly.
I agree, innocent until proven guilty. I also hope they do a full mental health evaluation. Mental health issues during and after active duty is the biggest "little dirty secret."
What a train wreck of comments. The right wing has no integrity. absolutely none
Gice weapons and training to the Taliban? Unassailable hero. Arm death squads and give weapons to Iran... hero
Trade 5 part time goat herders for one soldier. IDIOT
They were TALIBAN, not AL QAEDA. TALIBAN for God's sake.
How hypocritical can you be?? You literally worship the man who created the phrase "we don't negotitate with terrorists" .... WHILE HE NEGOTIATED WITH EVERY TERRORIST GROUP HE COULD. But Obama is a traitor, moron, idiot etc for trading FIVE for 1???
1. Negotiating with terrorists refers to hostage situations. You are referring to proxy wars(which I don't support). 2. We don't worship anyone lol. I hate bush almost as much as Obama. Obama is still worse and the trade was BS.
What about the jesus of conservatives shady bullshit proxy wars that did much more harm than this ever could. it's the whole reason this war is possible to have been fought we gave them weapons, money, and training and called them the equivalent to
Our founding fathers, and know we call them the scurge of the earth when we are essential doing EXACTLY what Russia did during the 90's when they tried invading Afghanistan. which also gave them huge stock piles of left over Soviet equipment left
Obama violated a law that HE signed. Who is the hypocrite here? Even democrats are finding this deal hard to swallow.
Dems will swallow anything their fuhrer says. Regardless of the color or taste of the pill.
Does ANYONE have an actual rebuttal or is this just another one of those things you'll sweep under the rug?
Well I posted a rebuttal to you but the dude who replied to mine was...well...partially incoherent.
Yeah. in response to your #1... Reagan negotiated with Iranians (whom he referred to as terrorists), sold them weapons and used the money to fund terrorists in Nicaragua. Like I said, hypocrisy. This is politicizing a non-issue
There has never been proof Reagan was involved with that. A military officer was convicted for organizing and creating that operation. Reagan, from all appearances, was only responsible since he was the commander in chief but had no part in it.
Keep telling yourself that. As commander in chief they have operational awareness. it was part of the deal to ease tensions during the hostage crisis. and as for the countless rebellions funded by the cia that was all for political control in
South America for which Reagan had everything to do with and had much b to gain by having pro capitalist governments in there to stamp out the growing socialist movements
let me guess merica... you pretty much exhonerated reagan for that... but say the blame lies on obama for Benghazi and the IRS scandal... and the VA thing, right?
The Obama scandal things, not totally. I blame him for appointing the morons who led it tho and for excusing the actions. What happened to the Reagan officer? Prison. Hillary? Nothing. IRS? Nothing. Etc. It's not did he do it, it's what did he...
...do about it. That's the issue with Obama. He does nothing and makes excuses while the utter morons who created the scandals run free.
who served ANY time under Reagan??? Last I saw, Oliver North is a regular contributor and even had a show on FOX NEWS! HAHAHA
He did serve time while waiting for trial, which took quite a while. Also, he worked with MSNBC as well, the liberal bastion, so don't go there.
oh step off it.... "he served time while awaiting trial"
OH WOW. He soooo faced justice for his treason. Nevermind, forget I even asked. I thought the hypocrisy was bad. No. The DEFENDING the hypocrisy is downright PATHETIC. You're done. I'm out
Treason? Lol that escalated fast. He didn't even come close to treason. At worst, it was gun running. Now, if I recall, didn't Obama of the same thing? Hmmm guess I'm not the hypocrite here. Is he a traitor too?
Selling weapons to declared American enemies is the very definition of treason. Just because there is an R next to it doesn't make it ok.
Probably but the reactions this caused are RIDICULOUS. If he is guilty (The Taliban claims he was drunk when they nabbed him), the justice system will take care of him.
This is the worst "scandal" yet. Any president would have made the same decision. It annoys me how quickly Americans forget their values when we are afraid of something, regardless of how minuscule the threat actually is. Plus, this is just a move by
The administration to cover up the VA disaster. Am I the only one who sees through this?
The only "scandal" here is that Obama didn't go through congress.
Provision of aid to the enemy. IMPEACH
It's amazing how quickly conservatives abandon our troops when it suits them. Never leave a man behind. Doesn't matter what he did, he's a US citizen and a soldier. If he's guilty, our justice system will decide that. Have some basic dignity.
I agree. But I don't like how the Obama administration is lying about him to make it seem more acceptable. He is what he is, and he should be punished as such. Plus, this is all just a play to get the attention off of the VA
He is what he is BUT we still don't know what that is yet. He hasn't been tried yet at all so let the system deal with it innocent until proven guilty. though a military tribunal is anything but fair I'm sure what ever the results are people will
find fault with it just because Obama's administration has something to do with it
Well when that soldier leaves on purpose and denounces his U.S. Citizenship then he should be left behind. Sounds bad but he did it himself! We should not have traded 5 terrorists for a guy that walked away on his fellow teammates. Not a hero at all.
Obama did what he had to. According to former Bush defense department officials they would have done the same. As far as how he was captured, that will come to light. No reason to speculate except politics and ratings.
I would have done the same. No man left behind. But don't lie about what he did. He did not serve with honor and distinction. That much is clear.
We'll that was Susan rice not Obama. He needs to face justice when he returns but the press on the right is convicting him without a trail. Picking on this guys family is beyond sick.
He wasn't left behind! He walked away on his own. Desertion can terminate your citizenship. At best we're scooping up a deserter or traitor. At worst Oblather just made it harder to get any real POWs back... Or prisoner. (what about the Marine in Mexico?)
Don't blame Obama, it's your fault for giving an incompetent man the job of president.
He's incompetent because he followed two and a half hundred years of military tradition? Find something legitimate to critique about his policies, there are plenty. Making issues where there aren't only muddles legitimate concerns.
You assume the people are in control of what happens in government. Give me a break
Sure sounds like it. I say court-martial him but don't make him spend time, considering he's already done that.
Sounds to me like he went looking for the Taliban.
based on what you've read on Facebook?
Based on what I've heard on multiple news sources and interviews.
Based on his platoon leader that said the Taliban attacks suddenly got a lot more accurate after his capture.
Because the news ALWAYS checks their facts and vets the info before spewing it out in a never ending "FIRST!" war.....
Come on man. You know damn well if what you read supported what you believe to be true you'd be slurping on the balls of your news source.
Some of us aren't that oblivious. The guy was learning the Arabic language, his dad encouraged him to leave, etc. it's not really that hard to piece together what went down. Why would the Taliban keep him alive if he wasn't giving them something?
Isn't ANYONE asking why the Executive would trade 5 high ranking taliban officers for a deserter, as you're all so quick to label him?
You're all asking the wrong fucking question!
To further the Sunni Muslims. Everything Obama has done has been to further their cause. Withdraw early from Iraq, encourage overthrowing Mubarak and Kadafi, in Seria, and in Afghanistan all help the Sunni Muslims!
Obama was hoping he would win points by freeing a US soldier, but he picked the wrong one and negotiated with Terrorists and they will now exploit this.
left Iraq "early?"
Yes, we left early. The government was not stable nor was the security forces. By leaving when we did it gave the Sunni's the ability to fight their way to power over the Shiite's rather than work with them. Obama is more a Sunni Muslim than black!
What the hell. This poll really brought out the crazies.
Hey AJ... What planet do you live on? I'd say we went IN to Iraq a little early if anything!
Never should have gone in the first place.
He is a radical Islamist. We know this.
I believe he deserted. Obama made a horrible deal and did it under his own power. What a horrible president
If McCain or Romney had done the exact same thing you'd be dancing in the street and eating a red, white, and blue rocket pop and you know it.
Yup. Double standards. He brought one of ours back. Either way, a military investigation will sort this out. Worse case scenario, he serves time in an American prison. Y'know, one where he's not being tortured every day by violent extremists
McCain might have been interesting, since he was a POW himself. I seriously wonder what he would do. I have been thinking that, I seriously wonder what he's thinking.
The pres did exactly what McCain and the rest of the repubs wanted to do back in 2011 including the same 5 Taliban. Now the Pres completes the job they all think its a bad deal. Maybe we can trade some repubs for Taliban.
Wag the dog - all the talking heads have stopped talking about the VA mess.
I will believe those he served with, not Rice or the Obumbler.
Untip the dominoes... VA, NSA, IRS, Obamacare, AP investigation, more NSA, bd eventually his attending Rev. Wright's church and the Weather Underground household.
Yes and he cost six men their lives looking for him.
And how many more in the future from the five that were traded for him?
We don't know the whole story yet so stay tuned...
That's what I say. I'm keeping my mouth shut till I know the whole story. And where can I find a unbiased website? hmmm
Well, this whole situation is starting to stink. Bowes's father insulting foreign policy, and some are saying he made Islamic remarks on stage along with inappropriate twitter posts. Bose himself insulted the military on video years back
I would like someone to at least disprove this evidence, because it's all linking together. I'm wondering why the Taliban out Bowe on video, was it forced, or does Bowe really feel negatively toward the military. I don't like the sound of this at all
*put not out
Yet another screw up by that idiot in the White House. Thanks America.
Obama's idea backfired.
You desert your people and some die searching for you is not my idea of a honorable soldier worth trading for.
Especially 5 ranking members of the Taliban
The WH looks foolish. Not only the trade, but O didn't do his research into this man's family before giving them the mic to speak Pashto with a beard. The WH didn't ask his comrades about it or the WH remarks wouldn't have been so wrong about him.
They ended up losing 6 good soldiers and 5 major enemies over somebody the US could jail for the rest of his life.
I wasn't there. It sounds like he left, but not much else sounds certain. I think we should hold off until we know more, the guy isn't exactly laying around eating bon bons right now.
This question is funny because it's already factually confirmed he did.
Can't blame Oblather on the bungle-- he didn't know it happened until he read it in the newspaper. "I did what? Let me be clear: I will from outrage, blame Bush and the Tea Party, and create a new scandal to distract the sheeple."
So we now have 5 Taliban leaders on their way to the battlefield (o, you think they'll open a halal restaurant in downtown Qattar???) and one in the US.
I will wait for his trial or official testimony to determine that. I do not have sufficient information to call him a hero, nor sufficient information to call him a traitor.
You must be waiting for a confession. Short of that, his comrades have outted him pretty firmly as a deserter.
If we grant he did leave his post why is the likelihood of a mental break not discussed. A young man suffering a breakdown in combat is neither unprecedented or cowardly.
And here I thought MrO had hit bottom and couldn't get worse. Then MrO proved me wrong ... yet again!
How could a president get it THIS wrong?
He has his own platoon coming forward and saying he deserted and doing so directly lead to the deaths of 6 soldiers.
How do they know? They didn't know he was gone until the next mornings roll call. Who saw him leave? It's ALL hearsay.
Eric talk to anyone who has done a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan. You learn more about the guys around you than you want to know. It's not hearsay. If anyone who's what was going through that kids head it's his platoon.
I was in Iraq in 05-06 as a DoD contractor. I served from 90-94 but saw no combat. I grew up in the Army. I understand the how right knit a squad and company can be. All I'm saying is let's hold off on the blame game until we have both sides.
It's all hearsay from a legal standpoint. I agree he probably left out. I'd like to know why and was he simple leaving for the evening or deserting? I snuck of base a few times but nothing bad came of it.
What they also say about Bowe was that he was odd, weird, and didn't socialize with anyone in his platoon.
I'm sorry, I forgot we are in the court of law. This is an SOH poll, where people vote based on what they hear. When I hear the boys he lived with say this, I believe them. That's not the blame game.
Well sure. I mean a group of guys would never have an agenda. They like Bowe just fine, HE was they one who keep himself apart from them. I bet they didn't harass him or make fun of him or anything. HA! A legal argument is what's needed maybe.
The legal argument is coming. Did you not hear about the investigation? However, testimony from his platoon will be heavily influencing the outcome.
I saw they were going to investigate. I welcome that. Let a US military court decide his fate. All of the arguing I've done up to this point was in regards to bringing him home. A lot of people just wanted to leave him. We just don't do that.
You also don't just walk out on and directly cause the deaths of 6 fellow soldiers and get a Hero's welcome
He didn't directly cause those. Don't lay that on him. I don't see him as a hero. All I see is an American soldier who deserves to come home. We can't start making exceptions. No man left behind. Out him in front of the man and decide.
He left the base. Those six soldiers died with the orders to find him. Those deaths are on him.
A guy from his group said he just walked off the outpost "looking for his own Afghanistan adventure".
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If you want followers this isn't how to do it.
Make interesting comments and folks will follow you. Don't beg.
See as the people IN his company can't testify that he just walked off, I'm pretty sure it's obvious.
This is a satyrical look at this argument from a super liberal blog. I hope it helps
Another obama debacle. We have a criminal and liar as our leader.
That an insult!!! To criminals and liars I mean.
You guys are funny. In the crazy uncle, tin hat crowd kind of way.
Perpetually living in your own state of denial?
Were you asking if I was or confirming you were?
I believe the punctuation of a question mark should have given you sufficient direction to give you your answer.
I'm just saying that the same could be said of you. When you cling to your narrow view of life then your trapped by it. I know the Texas education system doesn't encourage free thinking but life is really complicated and some things are cut and dry
You know nothing about me sir. Also you need to enlighten yourself and take a good hard look at what OUR president is doing to our country. Stop believing liberal propaganda and really look at what is going on.
I can say the same. Stop believing the right wing bat shit crazy talk. No one gets left behind. Not the heroes and not the dumbasses and not the liberals and not the conservatives. Were talking about an American and his life.
And releasing five of the worst terrorists we had back into the world was a terrible, reckless decision that even democrats are lining up to denounce.
You are on the wrong side if this event.
And the use if vulgarity in an attempt to emphasize your point makes you appear less persuasive.
Now that we can discuss. Could he have got Bowe back for less? No idea. Was the price to high into opinion? Nope, I'd empty all of Gitmo for one guy.
And what if the terrorist leaders released mastermind another attack against Americans? What should be said to the families? What about other terrorist groups that now know America does negotiate with terrorists? What terrible repercussions coming?
Obama was outted by the sloppiness of his work. This was so blatant O's team has come up with every argument in the book for why this should have been done and how it's not breaking the law. And Rice embarrassed herself doing so. Sloppy all around.
Taliban isn't a terrorist organization. What if zombies take over? What if an asteroid hits the earth? Those 5 were going to be set free. It's just sooner rather than later. Post 9/11 we live under the constant threat of a devastating terrorist
I guess it doesn't matter with you people. You hate this president so much it clouds your judgment. You'd let an American, AN AMERICAN, sit in captivity. No one left behind. It's done. Continue to crazy all over the place.
At this point you are so removed from reality I cannot continue. Wait and see how obama's incompetent leadership works out. Good luck to you sir, I fear you shall need it.
Heck, Obama embarrassed *himself with his own sloppiness by inviting the soldier's father beside him, who wore a beard and spoke favorably of the Afghans in their own language. Not the lowest point for O, but the most embarrassing so far.
Eric ... you and MrO have no credibility.
we have an inept leader with a backup team of juvenile ultra liberals. "Debacle" is a kind word.
From what I've heard, he seems like a deserter at best. Possibly even a traitor. We would do well to watch him closely.