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skinner Jersey City
06/03/14 6:05 pm

Negative, but I do recognize the social, technological, and economic benefits that the crusades established.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
06/03/14 6:52 pm

I think most "religious" wars have ulterior motives - land, resources, and most of all power. Those in power give their fighters motivation, and they fall for it, never realizing they've been exploited as pawns and betrayed.

cheeseontop FactsOverFeelings
06/03/14 5:59 pm

They were all savages. Sending kids unarmed to fight and die? horrible

suppressedID keep Summer safe
06/03/14 5:59 pm

Embarrassing. We got our asses kicked....repeatedly.

itsOkay no longer answering here
06/03/14 5:29 pm

Positive. Weren't they just fighting terrorists like we're still doing today?

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Arananthi Literal Ninja
06/03/14 5:32 pm

Please tell me this is sarcasm.

itsOkay no longer answering here
06/03/14 5:41 pm

It takes two sides to have a religious war where Jerusalem changes hands many times. Google "Saladin" if you don't think the Muslims had their military and generals too. It wasn't a one-sided series of engagements.

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itsOkay no longer answering here
06/03/14 5:42 pm

.... It was the same old contention that still exists today between Muslims and Jews/Christians.

JJJSchmidt San Marcos
06/03/14 6:42 pm

Exactly, and why would a period defined by violence, terrorism, and fanaticism on both sides ever be looked on as positive?

itsOkay no longer answering here
06/03/14 6:45 pm

Not "positive" for the period. Positive for the crusaders. I pick their side.

itsOkay no longer answering here
06/03/14 6:47 pm

The Muslims were persecuting the Jews then as they're trying to do now.

JJJSchmidt San Marcos
06/03/14 6:48 pm

So the proper response to persecution is to rape, pillage, and conquer?

itsOkay no longer answering here
06/03/14 6:50 pm

No. I don't condone that. There's bad stuff in every war because there's people involved. The justness of the war should be evaluated separately from individual things that happen.

JJJSchmidt San Marcos
06/03/14 6:56 pm

Do you think that the crusaders invaded the Middle East because they were humanitarians? Because it seems to me like the entire engagement was unjust.

itsOkay no longer answering here
06/03/14 7:02 pm

The Jews were there already, right? They invaded to retake that which was taken through unjust war.

JJJSchmidt San Marcos
06/03/14 9:41 pm

So you think it was more likely that the Christian crusaders were just being good samaritans to the Jews (whom they hated) than that they wanted the land for themselves?

CalTexHawk spiral arm
06/03/14 5:19 pm

My views are negative. Does that mean I am part of the war on Christianity in the US?

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Mattwall1
06/03/14 5:22 pm

No. For one thing, said war is fictional. For another, no.

DavesNotHere where am I
06/03/14 5:17 pm

The Crusaders were no different than al-Qaida is now. Religious fanatics who killed anyone who wasn't Catholic in the name of the church. Whoever was pope was their Bin Laden.

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Mattwall1
06/03/14 5:19 pm

I'm not sure is quite say the pope was bin Laden, but I do get your point

DavesNotHere where am I
06/03/14 5:26 pm

The pope(s) sure did look the other way when people were slaughtered for not being Catholic, and Pope had Jews and Muslims killed.

Mattwall1
06/03/14 6:03 pm

One reason I'm refraining is simply I like living. Plus the popes were more powerful than bid laden so...

TalkPolitics Chevy Chase, MD
06/03/14 9:03 pm

Actually a lot of the crusaders killed their own (Catholics) simply because they resided in foreign lands or had tan skin.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/03/14 5:14 pm

Who doesn't love a good old fashioned religious war and persecution now and then?

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Mattwall1
06/03/14 5:21 pm

⬆️ this guy

itsOkay no longer answering here
06/03/14 5:42 pm

It takes two sides to have a religious war where Jerusalem changes hands many times. Google "Saladin" if you don't think the Muslims had their military and generals too. It wasn't a one-sided series of engagements.

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itsOkay no longer answering here
06/03/14 5:43 pm

.... It was the same old contention that still exists today between Muslims and Jews/Christians.