Are your feelings about the Crusades more...
Negative, but I do recognize the social, technological, and economic benefits that the crusades established.
I think most "religious" wars have ulterior motives - land, resources, and most of all power. Those in power give their fighters motivation, and they fall for it, never realizing they've been exploited as pawns and betrayed.
They were all savages. Sending kids unarmed to fight and die? horrible
Embarrassing. We got our asses kicked....repeatedly.
Positive. Weren't they just fighting terrorists like we're still doing today?
Please tell me this is sarcasm.
It takes two sides to have a religious war where Jerusalem changes hands many times. Google "Saladin" if you don't think the Muslims had their military and generals too. It wasn't a one-sided series of engagements.
.... It was the same old contention that still exists today between Muslims and Jews/Christians.
Exactly, and why would a period defined by violence, terrorism, and fanaticism on both sides ever be looked on as positive?
Not "positive" for the period. Positive for the crusaders. I pick their side.
The Muslims were persecuting the Jews then as they're trying to do now.
So the proper response to persecution is to rape, pillage, and conquer?
No. I don't condone that. There's bad stuff in every war because there's people involved. The justness of the war should be evaluated separately from individual things that happen.
Do you think that the crusaders invaded the Middle East because they were humanitarians? Because it seems to me like the entire engagement was unjust.
The Jews were there already, right? They invaded to retake that which was taken through unjust war.
So you think it was more likely that the Christian crusaders were just being good samaritans to the Jews (whom they hated) than that they wanted the land for themselves?
My views are negative. Does that mean I am part of the war on Christianity in the US?
No. For one thing, said war is fictional. For another, no.
The Crusaders were no different than al-Qaida is now. Religious fanatics who killed anyone who wasn't Catholic in the name of the church. Whoever was pope was their Bin Laden.
I'm not sure is quite say the pope was bin Laden, but I do get your point
The pope(s) sure did look the other way when people were slaughtered for not being Catholic, and Pope had Jews and Muslims killed.
One reason I'm refraining is simply I like living. Plus the popes were more powerful than bid laden so...
Actually a lot of the crusaders killed their own (Catholics) simply because they resided in foreign lands or had tan skin.
Who doesn't love a good old fashioned religious war and persecution now and then?
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