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Mattwall1 June 3rd, 2014 2:20pm

Do you consider the United States of America to be exceptional? (Please answer why or why not in the comments)

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ajpreyes Laveen
06/04/14 12:34 am

Yes, but in the worst possible ways.

azsageguy
06/03/14 6:03 pm

We no longer rally together to better our society. Instead we rally against those those who take a risk to better themselves or society.

ron6923 parts unknown
06/03/14 4:50 pm

We used to be. We've lost our way.

DavesNotHere where am I
06/03/14 3:49 pm

Used to be, not anymore. Now we're just a bloated, angry gun loving pig.

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KAnne Atlantic City, NJ
06/03/14 2:11 pm

I don't view any nation or geographical location as exceptional.

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Arananthi Literal Ninja
06/03/14 1:12 pm

We're exceptional in a lot of ways. We spend an exceptional amount of money on war. We're exceptionally prone to putting our citizens in jail. The legislative branch is getting exceptionally little done. Oh, and were' exceptionally purchasable.

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/03/14 9:34 am

Heck, lets look at what kings of the Middle Ages judged countries by. We have the number one military jn the world without a doubt!

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/03/14 9:28 am

Look at the party filters! This is why I am a libertarian/republican, we believe in america!

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MachoMatt84 Privileged to serve.
06/03/14 9:21 am

I've seen some great reasons we're exceptional in the comments here, and no reasons for why we're not (convoluted/vague reasons at best so far). I think the "America is exceptional" group (which I'm a part of) is winning so far.

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jackietheman Just Stop...
06/03/14 8:45 am

Innovation, our freedom, people come here, we work hard and get shit done. That's what we where built on. We saved the world three times off the top off my head. (WW1WW2 Cold War) we
Pioneered many things, landed on the moon first, etc.

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Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/03/14 8:30 am

No, due to the obvious fact that it isn't, at least in any good way.

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rons WOKE is sick
06/03/14 8:07 am

Due to it's innovation over the last several decades. Our music is in every country. They arrest them in Iran if caught dancing.

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Injectable Trump Killed Babbitt
06/03/14 7:43 am

We have been at certain points in our history. Right at this moment... We're a little lacking in the exceptional department.

usernamehere Raise a little hell
06/03/14 7:25 am

No. The people under a certain government are no better than the people under another.

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Injectable Trump Killed Babbitt
06/03/14 7:45 am

But their achievement can be. I don't necessarily view it as we are exceptional because we were born here; just sometimes we accomplish exceptional things.

kermie gaytopia
06/03/14 7:49 am

Every country "sometimes" accomplishes exceptional things.

Injectable Trump Killed Babbitt
06/03/14 7:56 am

And no one is saying that in those moments they aren't exceptional.

Injectable Trump Killed Babbitt
06/03/14 7:58 am

But we are clearly blessed with the tools and means to do things other countries can't when we choose to use them.

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/03/14 8:49 am

Who's music are they jamming to in the UK? American. What TV goes big in Mexico, Australia, and India? American. Which county regularly places in the topfive for medals won in the Olympics? America.

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/03/14 9:25 am

Whose fast food made it into almost every first world country? America's. What country does the car and airplane come from? America. Who has climbed to world's number one natural gas producer even with incredible amounts of regulation? America.

kermie gaytopia
06/03/14 7:24 am

Nah. I don't see any evidence of it and I don't believe things without evidence.

redsox95 New England
06/03/14 7:34 am

Put a man on the moon? Highest GDP? Maintains the worlds reserve currency? Funds majority and holds the HQ to the UN? Is this not evidence?

kermie gaytopia
06/03/14 7:48 am

Not really. You're cherry-picking talking points and claiming exceptionalism while ignoring the things other countries do well, as well as the things we do poorly.

redsox95 New England
06/03/14 7:50 am

You may want to check the definition of exceptional.

kermie gaytopia
06/03/14 8:14 am

Okay I'll do that! Meanwhile you can look up narcissism and hubris.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/03/14 8:34 am

I'm not sure you should be counting putting a man on the moon at a time when we can't even put a man in space. Faded glory does not equate to exceptional. Neither does being just wealthy enough to pay the Russians to help us.

kscott516 Masks fail
06/03/14 8:44 am

Really? SpaceX is the first privately funded company to launch, orbit, and recover a spacecraft. There are many first world countries unable to do that.

redsox95 New England
06/03/14 8:49 am

Yeah, SpaceX, a U.S. private company, is beating most nations in the space race. That's a little embarrassing for most nations' governments.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/03/14 8:52 am

And there are many who can do much more than just that, as countries, not just as for-profit corporations. By any definition, fair, hardly exceptional.

kscott516 Masks fail
06/03/14 8:57 am

WTF!? A privately held company successfully designed, developed, launched, and recovered a spacecraft. Not a govt. That's fucking amazing! And they did it at a fraction of the cost that NASA did it with. You're barometer needs readjusted.

kscott516 Masks fail
06/03/14 8:58 am

What does it matter that they are for-profit anyway? That means they got their money from investors. You didn't have to pay for it nor have to use their services. What the fucking fuck.

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/03/14 9:27 am

We get called fat and stupid and lazy over and over. And boom, look at this! Which country has private industries flying into space? America. Which country does Apple come from? AMERICA!

SFLiberal
06/03/14 9:32 am

We are exceptional in our diversity and we've probably done the most to combat climate change.

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/03/14 9:33 am

What country created Facebook, twitter, and Instagram, all used by people all over the world? America.

SFLiberal
06/03/14 9:34 am

We're also exceptional in the fact that you can openly say we aren't exceptional without being punished.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/03/14 9:35 am

Maybe I should have started with quoting the definition of "exceptional". Apparently understanding big words is one of our exceptions.

SFLiberal
06/03/14 9:42 am

Unusually good, outstanding, phenomenal, amazing, remarkable, special, excellent.

Any other synonyms you can think of, Zod?

kscott516 Masks fail
06/03/14 9:47 am

Yeah, you're so right. Private citizens launching spacecraft is no big deal. Anyone can do that. :/

veritas1 Panda
06/03/14 10:04 am

@SFL. We have most certainly NOT done the most to combat climate change. Of the developed world, we may have done the least. Obama is just now leading this nation toward meaningful change.

SFLiberal
06/03/14 10:05 am

And what Obama is doing is exceptional. Is it not?

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/03/14 10:12 am

The question wasn't can you name a US company that has been profitable or that has done something for profit a number of countries have routinely done for decades. Doing something for money doesn't make it more impressive.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/03/14 10:12 am

Being one of the many countries where not claiming to be "number one" is allowed isn't evidence of exceptionalism either. Surely you realize that not even our "freedoms" are exceptional or unusual in the world.

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/03/14 10:33 am

Now, even though I am not about global warming and honestly don't think it's actual even half as bad as Al Gore makes it out to be, we have done a lot more than China and India. Our 2nd amendment is pretty exceptional.

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/03/14 10:35 am

Yes, but it is American free market principals and our hard-working citizens that allow these great companies to flourish.
Wait, I'm on the same side of a debate as SFLiberal? And it's not gay marriage? *gasp of surprise*

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/03/14 10:37 am

Our AMERICAN companies produce many goods and provide many services that are enjoyed by people throughout the world, more prevelant than those of anywhere else.

kscott516 Masks fail
06/03/14 11:18 am

Which country's private citizens have developed a space program? You're missing the point here. Without a profit motive Musk would never have even considered doing that. Profit incentivized innovation and ingenuity. Furthermore he did it for billions

kscott516 Masks fail
06/03/14 11:19 am

less and it is more comfortable, with more capacity, and more capability. Without tax dollars!!

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/03/14 12:04 pm

First, no other country had to resort to hiring a private company to "reinvent" what we'd already done decades ago, yeah, we're that "special". Second, if that private company could even do the job yet, would we be paying Russia for the ride?

kscott516 Masks fail
06/03/14 12:11 pm

You need to read up on SpaceX. They weren't "hired" to develop spacecraft. They did it on their own with their own money. They got a govt contract because they proved they could do it and for less money. Funny though, despite all that they're still

kscott516 Masks fail
06/03/14 12:11 pm

funneling more money into NASA who costs more and has less capability.

kscott516 Masks fail
06/03/14 12:13 pm

"Could even do the job yet". They started 7 yrs ago! You're willing to supply billions to fight climate change because of a POSSIBLE long term concern but to spend less money for better tech from a private company is a no no. :/

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/03/14 12:28 pm

We didn't hire them. Do you think someone would have done something so amazing and done it better than the government in most countries? No, they would have been taxed to crap. These genius Americans did this! A private company!

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/03/14 1:06 pm

You must have me confused with one of the exceptional Americans who hasn't been following Space-X and the many before them since the X-prize was announced almost twenty years ago. Just curious, exactly how many people has Space-X put in orbit?

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/03/14 1:21 pm

For historical perspective, the Russians (a government thing) did two separate manned orbital space flights in 1961. NASA (another government thing) did their first in 1962. So we were second in space, and will be there again someday. Exceptional!

kscott516 Masks fail
06/03/14 1:41 pm

Good then you should know Elon Musk did not compete for nor win the X Prize. You keep going back to govt space programs. There's not much exceptionalism for a govt to get to space. That a private citizen did, however, speaks volumes.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/03/14 2:09 pm

I do know that. I also know that his company hasn't done any of the other things NASA and other countries had already done numerous times over four decades ago. The point is still that not only is the US not exceptional, neither is Space-X.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/03/14 2:14 pm

And the only privately funded effort to successfully put a man in space hasn't. Ever. Not even once. Wow, that's exceptional!

kscott516 Masks fail
06/03/14 3:12 pm

Well good timing bc he just unveiled his manned spacecraft and is working on reusable rockets to save money. NASA, with tens of billions of taxpayer dollars spent, still haven't done that...why should they when the can just get more money from Uncle.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/03/14 4:30 pm

I think I'm finally getting your point. If talking about what you are going to do someday that everyone else is already doing makes you exceptional, then maybe we actually are.

kscott516 Masks fail
06/03/14 4:54 pm

Ok so which country had a private company send a spacecraft into space and back successfully, and in their own dime?

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/03/14 5:34 pm

Space-X is the only private company I know of to do that yet, but the question wasn't about a private company doing something that has been done many times before by several countries, the question was about American exceptionalism. It's irrelevant.

kscott516 Masks fail
06/03/14 5:38 pm

So what defines America? Govt or it's citizens?

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/03/14 5:53 pm

Both. We are them; they are us. Of the people by the people for the people. There is nothing more special about a private company doing a thing than a government doing a thing, especially when that thing has been done so many times before.

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/04/14 9:00 pm

Zod, what proof do you want of American exceptionalism? If it isn't our citizens doing amazing things, our incredible military, how we pour money and personnel on the ground in many third-world countries, our values, I mean, what do you want?

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/04/14 9:30 pm

This thread was addressing fact that while at one point we lead the "space race", we aren't even in the game today. Exceptionslism in general is covered here:

www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/10/11/the_myth_of_american_exceptionalism