Do you consider the United States of America to be exceptional? (Please answer why or why not in the comments)
Yes, but in the worst possible ways.
We no longer rally together to better our society. Instead we rally against those those who take a risk to better themselves or society.
We used to be. We've lost our way.
Used to be, not anymore. Now we're just a bloated, angry gun loving pig.
I don't view any nation or geographical location as exceptional.
We're exceptional in a lot of ways. We spend an exceptional amount of money on war. We're exceptionally prone to putting our citizens in jail. The legislative branch is getting exceptionally little done. Oh, and were' exceptionally purchasable.
Heck, lets look at what kings of the Middle Ages judged countries by. We have the number one military jn the world without a doubt!
Look at the party filters! This is why I am a libertarian/republican, we believe in america!
I've seen some great reasons we're exceptional in the comments here, and no reasons for why we're not (convoluted/vague reasons at best so far). I think the "America is exceptional" group (which I'm a part of) is winning so far.
You we are!
Innovation, our freedom, people come here, we work hard and get shit done. That's what we where built on. We saved the world three times off the top off my head. (WW1WW2 Cold War) we
Pioneered many things, landed on the moon first, etc.
No, due to the obvious fact that it isn't, at least in any good way.
Due to it's innovation over the last several decades. Our music is in every country. They arrest them in Iran if caught dancing.
A good article worth the read. We still have much of which to be proud.
We have been at certain points in our history. Right at this moment... We're a little lacking in the exceptional department.
No. The people under a certain government are no better than the people under another.
But their achievement can be. I don't necessarily view it as we are exceptional because we were born here; just sometimes we accomplish exceptional things.
Every country "sometimes" accomplishes exceptional things.
And no one is saying that in those moments they aren't exceptional.
But we are clearly blessed with the tools and means to do things other countries can't when we choose to use them.
Who's music are they jamming to in the UK? American. What TV goes big in Mexico, Australia, and India? American. Which county regularly places in the topfive for medals won in the Olympics? America.
Whose fast food made it into almost every first world country? America's. What country does the car and airplane come from? America. Who has climbed to world's number one natural gas producer even with incredible amounts of regulation? America.
Nah. I don't see any evidence of it and I don't believe things without evidence.
Put a man on the moon? Highest GDP? Maintains the worlds reserve currency? Funds majority and holds the HQ to the UN? Is this not evidence?
Not really. You're cherry-picking talking points and claiming exceptionalism while ignoring the things other countries do well, as well as the things we do poorly.
You may want to check the definition of exceptional.
Okay I'll do that! Meanwhile you can look up narcissism and hubris.
I'm not sure you should be counting putting a man on the moon at a time when we can't even put a man in space. Faded glory does not equate to exceptional. Neither does being just wealthy enough to pay the Russians to help us.
Really? SpaceX is the first privately funded company to launch, orbit, and recover a spacecraft. There are many first world countries unable to do that.
Yeah, SpaceX, a U.S. private company, is beating most nations in the space race. That's a little embarrassing for most nations' governments.
And there are many who can do much more than just that, as countries, not just as for-profit corporations. By any definition, fair, hardly exceptional.
WTF!? A privately held company successfully designed, developed, launched, and recovered a spacecraft. Not a govt. That's fucking amazing! And they did it at a fraction of the cost that NASA did it with. You're barometer needs readjusted.
What does it matter that they are for-profit anyway? That means they got their money from investors. You didn't have to pay for it nor have to use their services. What the fucking fuck.
We get called fat and stupid and lazy over and over. And boom, look at this! Which country has private industries flying into space? America. Which country does Apple come from? AMERICA!
We are exceptional in our diversity and we've probably done the most to combat climate change.
What country created Facebook, twitter, and Instagram, all used by people all over the world? America.
We're also exceptional in the fact that you can openly say we aren't exceptional without being punished.
Maybe I should have started with quoting the definition of "exceptional". Apparently understanding big words is one of our exceptions.
Unusually good, outstanding, phenomenal, amazing, remarkable, special, excellent.
Any other synonyms you can think of, Zod?
Yeah, you're so right. Private citizens launching spacecraft is no big deal. Anyone can do that. :/
@SFL. We have most certainly NOT done the most to combat climate change. Of the developed world, we may have done the least. Obama is just now leading this nation toward meaningful change.
And what Obama is doing is exceptional. Is it not?
Exceptionally bad, yes
The question wasn't can you name a US company that has been profitable or that has done something for profit a number of countries have routinely done for decades. Doing something for money doesn't make it more impressive.
Being one of the many countries where not claiming to be "number one" is allowed isn't evidence of exceptionalism either. Surely you realize that not even our "freedoms" are exceptional or unusual in the world.
Now, even though I am not about global warming and honestly don't think it's actual even half as bad as Al Gore makes it out to be, we have done a lot more than China and India. Our 2nd amendment is pretty exceptional.
Yes, but it is American free market principals and our hard-working citizens that allow these great companies to flourish.
Wait, I'm on the same side of a debate as SFLiberal? And it's not gay marriage? *gasp of surprise*
Our AMERICAN companies produce many goods and provide many services that are enjoyed by people throughout the world, more prevelant than those of anywhere else.
Which country's private citizens have developed a space program? You're missing the point here. Without a profit motive Musk would never have even considered doing that. Profit incentivized innovation and ingenuity. Furthermore he did it for billions
less and it is more comfortable, with more capacity, and more capability. Without tax dollars!!
First, no other country had to resort to hiring a private company to "reinvent" what we'd already done decades ago, yeah, we're that "special". Second, if that private company could even do the job yet, would we be paying Russia for the ride?
You need to read up on SpaceX. They weren't "hired" to develop spacecraft. They did it on their own with their own money. They got a govt contract because they proved they could do it and for less money. Funny though, despite all that they're still
funneling more money into NASA who costs more and has less capability.
"Could even do the job yet". They started 7 yrs ago! You're willing to supply billions to fight climate change because of a POSSIBLE long term concern but to spend less money for better tech from a private company is a no no. :/
We didn't hire them. Do you think someone would have done something so amazing and done it better than the government in most countries? No, they would have been taxed to crap. These genius Americans did this! A private company!
You must have me confused with one of the exceptional Americans who hasn't been following Space-X and the many before them since the X-prize was announced almost twenty years ago. Just curious, exactly how many people has Space-X put in orbit?
For historical perspective, the Russians (a government thing) did two separate manned orbital space flights in 1961. NASA (another government thing) did their first in 1962. So we were second in space, and will be there again someday. Exceptional!
Good then you should know Elon Musk did not compete for nor win the X Prize. You keep going back to govt space programs. There's not much exceptionalism for a govt to get to space. That a private citizen did, however, speaks volumes.
I do know that. I also know that his company hasn't done any of the other things NASA and other countries had already done numerous times over four decades ago. The point is still that not only is the US not exceptional, neither is Space-X.
And the only privately funded effort to successfully put a man in space hasn't. Ever. Not even once. Wow, that's exceptional!
Well good timing bc he just unveiled his manned spacecraft and is working on reusable rockets to save money. NASA, with tens of billions of taxpayer dollars spent, still haven't done that...why should they when the can just get more money from Uncle.
I think I'm finally getting your point. If talking about what you are going to do someday that everyone else is already doing makes you exceptional, then maybe we actually are.
Ok so which country had a private company send a spacecraft into space and back successfully, and in their own dime?
Space-X is the only private company I know of to do that yet, but the question wasn't about a private company doing something that has been done many times before by several countries, the question was about American exceptionalism. It's irrelevant.
So what defines America? Govt or it's citizens?
Both. We are them; they are us. Of the people by the people for the people. There is nothing more special about a private company doing a thing than a government doing a thing, especially when that thing has been done so many times before.
Zod, what proof do you want of American exceptionalism? If it isn't our citizens doing amazing things, our incredible military, how we pour money and personnel on the ground in many third-world countries, our values, I mean, what do you want?
This thread was addressing fact that while at one point we lead the "space race", we aren't even in the game today. Exceptionslism in general is covered here:
Here's a shorter one that puts it into the tighter perspective of people of my generation: