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jackietheman June 2nd, 2014 8:29pm

In schools, let's teach both Creation and Evolution, and there respective evidence/varying theories.

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
06/03/14 11:28 pm

Absolutely, but you'll have to stick to Intelligent Design (secular creationism) to shut the atheist "freedom from religion" crowd up

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Shazam Scaramouche, OH
06/04/14 11:13 pm

Absolutely 100% not. I would not trust my child's religious education to an elementary school teacher who hasn't gone to seminary, and for all I know, had never stepped in a church.

rstuhr western new york
06/03/14 9:31 am

Do you teach all creation stories or just the Christian one?

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RBecker17 The Sultan of Rum
06/03/14 2:15 pm

Probably just Christian seeing as about 80% of the country is of that diagnostic and another 15% is agnostic varying other religions don't make up a significant portion and besides of that 5% you cover Jews and Muslims whose beliefs follow it as well

RBecker17 The Sultan of Rum
06/03/14 2:16 pm

I am personally not a creationist but wouldn't really care if it was taught in schools

commonsense JobLoss Joe Biden
06/03/14 9:25 am

I agree. As long as creation theories are in history or literature and not science.

Mattwall1
06/03/14 10:10 pm

I don't think that's what Jackie meant though.

KudosToYou California
06/03/14 12:37 am

Sure, one is taught in a core science class, an the other is taught in a myth and folklore elective.

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Wert A picture of Lefty
06/02/14 10:41 pm

Creation isn't a theory. It is barely speculation.

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Colorado303 Future Seattle Resident
06/02/14 6:17 pm

Maybe a special class for creation, but not in science. That's not science

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Think Lovin Life
06/02/14 4:57 pm

Both are theories, both have credible evidence, only Democrats object to fair and balanced.

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soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/02/14 6:48 pm

We have our third winner in the "don't know the scientific meaning of theory" category.

KudosToYou California
06/03/14 12:33 am

Irony is fantastic.

Think Lovin Life
06/03/14 12:35 am

Soup ... I'm guessing you wouldn't have a clue what is a fact and what is a theory.

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 7:03 am

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

Some highlights: "Well substantiated"

"repeatedly confirmed"

"testable"

" Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge."

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 7:04 am

So now, who doesn't know what a theory is?

geoag02 Dallas, TX
06/03/14 7:18 am

Currently the best scientific theory for where the universe came from is the Big Bang. This theory violates every law of thermodynamics and therefor is proven false without an exception being forced by a creator.

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 7:21 am

Very true! But part of a theory is refining and even the throwing out if bad ones. The Big Bang Theory may very well be a thing of the past one day. Are you trying to now suggest that all theories are therefore void/suspect? If so, I question what

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 7:24 am

If any science, you hold credibly. Cells are another theory. Do you think that perhaps we are not made of cells? Now, you may ask "but why is evolution more like cell theory and less like the big bang theory". It is because the big bang theory is an

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 7:25 am

Educated guess at an event that we cannot see and that happens billions of years ago. Evolution is something we can actually see, albeit very slowly. Science has answered so much that at one time was unanswerable. I am confident that at some point it

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 7:26 am

Will. Answer what is now unanswerable.

Think Lovin Life
06/03/14 7:27 am

Soup ... you have missed the point. In your religious zeal for evolution, you missed the point that scientific theory is NOT fact.

You simply can't answer the question of what caused the set actions that resulted in life.

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 7:30 am

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

Abiogenesis my friend. Evolution is the growth of life, this is the birth.

geoag02 Dallas, TX
06/03/14 7:31 am

I was reply to that here also:

Did you know that if you leave a DVDr out in the sun, uv from the sun can burn pits in it much like a writing laser would. I believe this is where movies came from.

Think Lovin Life
06/03/14 7:33 am

Soup ... anyone who relies on Wikipedia to provide "scientific" proof of their position needs to grow up!

geoag02 Dallas, TX
06/03/14 7:33 am

You may have found the method of writing the first DNA sequences, but the human genetic sequence is 2.7GB. Where did the data come from?

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 7:44 am

Wikipedia is the most readily available source at the moment. Though I would wager a great sum that if you looked in any textbook the information would be the same. As for the human DNA sequence, that is where evolution comes into play.

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 7:46 am

And you mock my sources. What are yours pray tell? I'm the only one who can point to studies to back myself up.

geoag02 Dallas, TX
06/03/14 7:50 am

Just like we have thousands of movies... As those DVDs in the sun evolved from one movie to another.

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 7:51 am

Again, I'd love to see your sources.

geoag02 Dallas, TX
06/03/14 7:55 am

Wiki is ok for getting started with research and providing a quick link on a discussion board like this. I am not questioning your use of it for that, however you shouldn't get it confused with white papers and peer reviewed journals.

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 7:57 am

Oh, I agree. But I am asking for the Wikipedia page on the scientific evidence for creationism.

Think Lovin Life
06/03/14 8:00 am

Soup ... you didn't answer my question. You suppose that Wiki is prof of science, yet you obviously don't understand it's source.

There is no scientific proof that turns the theory of evolution into fact. Period.

geoag02 Dallas, TX
06/03/14 8:01 am

You have access to google don't you? I assume that's how you found the wiki on the miller experiment.

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 8:04 am

The Miller urey experiment? I already linked it above. No religion there. And for think, because above is the wiki:

people.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/Exobiology/miller.html

Think Lovin Life
06/03/14 8:11 am

Soup ... again, I ask ... are you 12? You obviously didn't read the articles you sited as the latest includes a disclaimer!

"There has been a recent wave of skepticism concerning Miller's experiment ..."

Grow up!

geoag02 Dallas, TX
06/03/14 8:12 am

You also didn't read my last comment, or at least didn't accurately comprehend it.

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 8:13 am

And creationist like you *are* the wave of skepticism. I have yet to see you point to a single people of scientific evidence. Come back to me when you have some.

Think Lovin Life
06/03/14 8:15 am

Soup ... you've proven nothing but your Flat Earth Evolution religiosity.

geoag02 Dallas, TX
06/03/14 8:16 am

I think the argument that I posted above speaks for itself, and if you need to see it on a wiki page to be able to believe it, that's all the evidence I need to know that you are hopeless.

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 8:17 am

I'm not seeing any science guys.

Think Lovin Life
06/03/14 8:18 am

Soup ... including the little kid in your mirror!

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 8:22 am

I know. It's annoying when people ask for scientific evidence to support your scientific claim.

goalie31 Byzantine Catholic
06/02/14 2:20 pm

I have a progressive look at creationism and evolution. There is no way the Big Bang theory works without God in the picture because that implies life formed from inanimate objects... which as we all know is impossible. So I look at the biblical...

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goalie31 Byzantine Catholic
06/02/14 2:22 pm

story as an analogy. It gives a correct order to his things would have started. when God spoke of creationism the people would not have understood evolution. That said, God sparked life. there is no way there was life in the energy initially...

goalie31 Byzantine Catholic
06/02/14 2:23 pm

given off from the big bang. That was God's doing. He made life. God follows the laws he made. He made science. Science and religion ARE ONE IN THE SAME. Rant over.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/02/14 2:24 pm

LOL. Strongly disagree.

goalie31 Byzantine Catholic
06/02/14 2:26 pm

Prove in any way how life forms post big bang. please. enlighten me. I implore you to tell me with your infinite knowledge of the universe.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/02/14 2:46 pm

I can't. But seeing there is no evidence to suggest a deity, I wouldn't assume that is the cause.

chinito Florida
06/02/14 2:51 pm

Goalie, I find your train of knowledge very interesting. You are saying that both theories can coexist together.

chinito Florida
06/02/14 2:52 pm

There is a documentary made by the History Channel produced by James Cameron called EXODUS DECODED. It tries to explain thru science the story of Moses.

You will love it

chinito Florida
06/02/14 3:04 pm

I bought the movie but I think you can find it on youtube.

geoag02 Dallas, TX
06/03/14 7:25 am

Did you know that if you leave a DVDr out in the sun, uv from the sun can burn pits in it much like a writing laser would. I believe this is where movies came from.

chinito Florida
06/03/14 11:55 am

What the frog are you talking about?

RINOTom Peoria, IL
06/02/14 2:08 pm

1) I'm a Lutheran, and I urge all fundamentalist Biblical literalists to realize there are millions of Christians who accept evolution.

2) The reason evolution is taught in schools is because there's evidence for it. What evidence is there for...

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RINOTom Peoria, IL
06/02/14 2:09 pm

... creationism? You're free to home school your child or tell them what they learn in class is wrong (good luck explaining why...), but to force creationism into a classroom is just ... unAmerican.

Think Lovin Life
06/03/14 12:43 am

Rino ... in your questionably "enlightened" state you miss the possibility that both theories are correct.

To suggest that only one can be taught in schools denies students the freedom to learn. That's sad!

usernamehere Raise a little hell
06/02/14 2:04 pm

Creationism is nowhere near science.

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krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/02/14 10:20 pm

How so Jurassic?

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/02/14 1:38 pm

Who's creation "theory" gets taught?

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goalie31 Byzantine Catholic
06/02/14 2:24 pm

technically it would be the top 3 western religions. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/02/14 2:48 pm

Well that's unacceptable.

Think Lovin Life
06/03/14 12:59 am

Evolutionary religionists are so small minded!

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/03/14 7:46 am

LMFAO! Sorry you're right. We should teach about Noah's flood, talking animals, man and dinosaurs co-existing, angles, demons, people can live in fish, dragons, zombies are real, and men can fly to the moon on a Pegasus and cut it in half.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/03/14 7:47 am

Because that's the science the Abrahamic religions bring.

Think Lovin Life
06/03/14 4:37 pm

Prove your baseless assertion!

goalie31 Byzantine Catholic
06/03/14 4:39 pm

wolf.. we talk about angles in math all the time.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/03/14 7:44 pm

I has dem sausage fingers. Typos happen.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/03/14 7:45 pm

Think, I'm not sure if you're serious anymore.

Think Lovin Life
06/04/14 7:12 pm

Wolfy ... I wasn't aware that I was forced to choose serious or lighthearted and stick with it.

On this point, I'm quite serious. Supposed open-minded disciples of the book of evolution mock the rest of us as weak-minded religionists. I find ...

Think Lovin Life
06/04/14 7:15 pm

... just the opposite to be true. The evolution theory religionists are the most closed feeble-minded among us.

As a Christian, I believe the world evolved and that God was the catalyst. I believe that while science is weak adolescent, God ...

Think Lovin Life
06/04/14 7:17 pm

... is wise and consistent.

I believe that we can know God in the same way we know that the sun will rise tomorrow. That the evidence of His handiwork is all around us, and that He is a loving and caring soul, from which we were crafted.

Think Lovin Life
06/04/14 7:19 pm

I also believe that the feeble-minded evolution religionists ignore what they can't explain, and only partially understand the evidence in front of all of us.

I am sad for the evolutionists who have no room for God. How empty they must feel.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/04/14 9:05 pm

LOL, I can't tell if you're fucking with me at this point.

Think Lovin Life
06/05/14 3:46 pm

Wolfy ... nope, completely serious.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/05/14 9:23 pm

Welp, Good luck with that then. LOL.

DeusOrbus Stay Positive
06/02/14 1:36 pm

No, creationism isn't science.

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DeusOrbus Stay Positive
06/02/14 1:39 pm

Teach it in history or mythology class, but not science class.

chinito Florida
06/02/14 1:32 pm

Of course. They are the 2 most accepted theories.

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krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/02/14 1:38 pm

LOL, no they're not. Not even close.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/02/14 2:01 pm

The only one with actual tangible evidence is evolution. Creationism is not even remotely close to a science and it should never enter the science classrooms.

chinito Florida
06/02/14 2:12 pm

Neither theory has been proven to be true or false. When I say they are the most accepted I mean by the people, not by Krazywolf or by most scientist.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/02/14 2:25 pm

So what about the vast amount of physical and DNA evidence that supports evolution?

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/02/14 2:26 pm

And none that supports any creationist claims?

chinito Florida
06/02/14 2:45 pm

The Evolution theory has it's merits. There are a lot of things that support it. But is a THEORY. Maybe is true maybe not, we are not 100% sure. But we have to keep our minds open and explore other possibilities.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/02/14 2:47 pm

True. An open mind is good, but overwhelming evidence is better. ;)

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/02/14 2:49 pm

Someone doesn't know the scientific meaning of theory.

ScrewU Gone
06/02/14 2:53 pm

No one ever seems to grasp that they're not competing or even mutually exclusive theories. We all know that babies grow and change. That's not an explanation of how they're created.

Evolution does not contain an explanation for *existence*

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/02/14 2:56 pm

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

Evolution and abiogenesis are different that's true. But that would be like pointing to a growing baby and claiming out knowledge of its growth doesn't explain its birth.

chinito Florida
06/02/14 2:57 pm

Krayzy,

I believe in evolution. It makes a lot of sense and has evidence to support it. But don't be as blind as the Religious nut-jobs that don't even want to here about science. There might be something more to it.

ScrewU Gone
06/02/14 3:02 pm

Knowledge if it's growth DOESNT explain it's birth. If you only knew it was growing and changing, how would you learn it had a mother?

Dude, in 2014 anti-science people only exist in your imagination.

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/02/14 3:03 pm

3gun, did you check out the link? It explains the creation of life.

ScrewU Gone
06/02/14 3:16 pm

It's a theory for the existence of life. A creation theory.

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/02/14 3:19 pm

Yes, if you want to be semantical, it is a theory of creation. But you and I both know that the question was referring to religious creation.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/02/14 3:31 pm

Chinito, I am open to real factual supported theories. I just don't accept a god did it as one, or even legit. I don't assume anything supernatural until someone provides evidence to support it. Evidence is everything.

ScrewU Gone
06/02/14 3:33 pm

Well you'll never get around the "god did it" theory, because it's a tautology. Whatever natural theory you propose could have been set in motion by god.

Nor do I think there will ever be any more "evidence" than is already available to us.

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/02/14 3:37 pm

But we don't (I believe), and certainly shouldn't, teach tautologies in school. Just the opposite.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/02/14 3:47 pm

3gun, how would teaching that it was magical space elves was the first cause, be any different than teaching a god did it? The god "theory" and the space elves hold the same amount of evidence. Thus IMO god theories fall flat and shouldn't be taught.

ScrewU Gone
06/02/14 3:58 pm

I see no harm in saying that some people believe we were created by a supernatural being. It's true. Tens of millions of people believe it.

Kids need to learn that adults don't have all the answers, in fact some of those answers will come from them.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/02/14 4:00 pm

I don't think teaching bad info is a good thing because of beliefs. There are people who still actually believe that the Earth is the center of the universe, and everything revolves around earth. Should this also be taught because people believe it?

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/02/14 4:21 pm

Do you know how much is missing from the evolution THEORY?

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/02/14 4:41 pm

Someone else doesn't know the scientific definition of theory.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/02/14 4:51 pm

Well jackie, why don't you tell me what you think is missing, and I'll tell you why you're wrong. ;)

Think Lovin Life
06/03/14 1:17 am

Soupy ... you're your own worst enemy. You suggest that when you make a mistake that it's just semantical, and then you go about doing all that you do, semantically.

A theory is fact. Evolution is one of several theories of the origin of the world

ScrewU Gone
06/03/14 3:09 am

Pretty intellectually dishonest to change the premise of the point. I doubt you could find one person who believes that, while billions worldwide believe in creationism. The fact that you don't doesn't make it "bad info."

Think Lovin Life
06/03/14 3:10 am

... a theory is NOT fact ...

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 7:07 am

Now hold on. In one comment you state theory is fact and in another you state it is not. Which is it? For the record, it's yes.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/03/14 7:41 am

3gun, I stand by what I've said. There's no science in creationism, none. When I say bad info, I mean, not scientific, at all, no matter your or billions of others beliefs. Here at home millions believe in Astrology, should that be taught as well?

ScrewU Gone
06/03/14 7:55 am

And I stand by my own belief in creationism, based on simple, rational deduction (not religion). Nothing exists that is not created. When you look at a photograph, there's no evidence of a photographer but it would be irrational to think it just

ScrewU Gone
06/03/14 7:57 am

appeared from nothing. I accept evolution as scientific fact, but it doesn't explain existence.

We should teach creationism as the only working theory of existence.

Think Lovin Life
06/03/14 8:02 am

Theory is NOT fact. The first statement was an autocorrect mistake.

Theory is just that ... non-fact. Theory is a supposition that can not be proven.

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/03/14 8:08 am

3gun, evolution doesn't try to explain existence. It speaks nothing of astronomy. It covers the path of how living organisms evolve over time. It requires zero supernatural involvement. I see no reason to bring deities as designers as it needs none.

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 8:10 am

www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html

Technically, no theory can be "fact" but cells are but a theory. Should we teach an alternative to them as well?

Think Lovin Life
06/03/14 8:13 am

Yes! Honest scientist aren't afraid to admit what they only suppose. Flat Earth Evolution religionists can't abide differing views, and substitute supposition for fact, and attempt to silence decent.

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 8:16 am

OK, when you have some scientific evidence to back up your alternative we'll talk.

Think Lovin Life
06/03/14 4:30 pm

Soup you've proven nothing, except your narrow-minded non-scientific fear of theories that challenge your bias. You disproved nothing.

soupyquinn Jr. nuke tester
06/03/14 4:36 pm

Oh if you have evidence for you claims I'd be all for it. But whether it's right or wrong, evolution has evidence backing up, creationism less so.