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knowtheissues June 2nd, 2014 5:06pm

Militant atheist will often compare God and as comparable to Santa, invisible elephants, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and unicorns. Is this comparison justified or is God fundamentally different from these imaginary figures

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EarthMunkey The Golden Rule. Always.
06/02/14 2:25 pm

I killed six Christians today. They didn't agree with me so I had the FSM strangle them.

There are NO militant atheists groups active in the US...not the world as far as I know.

I think WWII Russian troops were the closest you could reference.

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knowtheissues
06/02/14 4:16 pm

A militant atheist is someone who aggressively belittles others for beliefs different then theirs. Same for militant Christians

EarthMunkey The Golden Rule. Always.
06/02/14 4:23 pm

That is just an aggressive atheist.

The term militant is used improperly in my opinion. More like a term used to rally support against a group.

Militant Christians...maybe the KKK?

knowtheissues
06/03/14 6:12 am

Well then we can call them aggressive atheist, the question is still the same

146787456777 .......
06/02/14 1:06 pm

its a good comparison if you don't believe in a god. its insulting if you do.

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EarthMunkey The Golden Rule. Always.
06/02/14 2:27 pm

You know. The atheists that are stalking the streets sniping theists.

knowtheissues
06/02/14 4:21 pm

A militant atheist is someone who aggressively belittles others for beliefs different then theirs. Same for militant Christians

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/02/14 4:57 pm

Lets not devalue the term militant. A militant religious person murders others in the name of their religion. Atheists make jokes. Huge difference. ;)

knowtheissues
06/03/14 6:12 am

They both belittle others, some in a more aggressive way.

blockey
06/02/14 12:01 pm

I usually only see the comparison when atheists are asked to disprove existence, in which case they respond with that completely valid rebuttal that you don't need to disprove the unproven. It's that simple. I don't see it as making fun.

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EarlyBird Portland
06/02/14 11:40 am

I'm atheist and I cringe when I see people make those comparisons. Those people aren't looking for a real discussion. They only want to insult.

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EarthMunkey The Golden Rule. Always.
06/02/14 2:29 pm

FSM is a fair comparison. Not meant to belittle the theists just meant to provide an example of a god for which there is no proof of existence.

knowtheissues
06/02/14 4:22 pm

God has no material form. It's a horrible comparison

EarlyBird Portland
06/02/14 4:22 pm

Earth, it's all in the context of which they're used.

knowtheissues
06/02/14 4:22 pm

It sounds ridiculous to explain because the differences are so obvious.

EarthMunkey The Golden Rule. Always.
06/02/14 4:26 pm

FSM also has no form. There are pictures and writings written by men.

Gods are all the same...

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/02/14 10:19 am

They evidence and support for god of the Jews Is far more than Santa and the FSM.

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jackietheman Just Stop...
06/02/14 12:32 pm

5,000 (maybe another zero, not sure) makes age 23-60 saw god on mount Sinai. There were women, younger and older makes there as well, and these people all told their kids they saw god. They all passed it down, generation to generation.

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/02/14 12:37 pm

Also, god is above the laws of science, therefore science can't disprove him.

A rabbi, a very holy rabbi, had no oil to light the candles. And boom, he used vinegar, it worked.

blockey
06/02/14 12:44 pm

Is that seriously your evidence?

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/02/14 1:22 pm

Not alone. I have not been able to go deep enough into with my rabbi and don't recall all the other explanations clearly
BTW the odds of a single cell organism becoming a human are 10 to the power of 40.

jackietheman Just Stop...
06/02/14 1:31 pm

It's like saying give some monkeys some typewriters, and see if they can write a whole play of Shakespeare in a billion years.

EarthMunkey The Golden Rule. Always.
06/02/14 2:33 pm

Waiting for actual evidence. In China they pasted down the same about dragons. Not dinosaurs but wise talking and awesome dragons.

Then there was the world existing on the back of a giant turtle. Also "true" and pasted down for generations.

Wert A picture of Lefty
06/02/14 10:17 pm

Wow. Just... Wow.

itsOkay no longer answering here
06/02/14 10:19 am

It's an unfair comparison and designed to belittle those of faith.

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genuflect University of Minnesota
06/02/14 12:14 pm

I agree. It would be more equitable to compare present deities of favor with those of past cultures. Christian God with insert any of the thousands of very much believed in gods long forgotten by the mainstream religiosity.

blockey
06/02/14 12:46 pm

I see that comparison just as often as Santa though I think. And really, what's the difference? Christian god, Norse god, Santa fsm etc., all are supported by absolutely zero evidence and must be taken on faith. The argument that they're all equally

blockey
06/02/14 12:47 pm

Unproven is certainly valid. Using it to belittle is another thing, but the argument that they're all equally supported by evidence definitely holds water.

TRJake Pendragon
06/02/14 10:12 am

Whenever I hear it, it's usually comparing the amount of evidence for god to the amount of evidence for fairies, FSM, etc. So in that sense, it is a valid comparison.

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knowtheissues
06/02/14 10:20 am

1. There is evidence for his existence: christian apologetics is knee deep in it.

2. The comparisons aren't applicable anyway.
www.reasonablefaith.org/is-god-imaginary

EarthMunkey The Golden Rule. Always.
06/02/14 4:39 pm

That link still doesn't provide the evidence for existence or nonexistence.

The part about asking atheist to provide proof of nonexistence is pretty funny.

knowtheissues
06/04/14 4:43 am

I don't want to debate the evidence on this forum at the moment, I was providing a possible venue for future research.

EarthMunkey The Golden Rule. Always.
06/04/14 5:48 am

As far as the argument of existence goes it is much more of a philosophical debate than anything.

The hardcores try to use math and science but in the end the only way to talk about it is...just to talk about it. =)

EarthMunkey The Golden Rule. Always.
06/04/14 5:52 am

I have read a number of books on the subject, both for and against.

Hundreds of online and actual debates...one that turned into a fight. (Don't use logic on a drunk bipolar sailor from, oddly enough, Kentucky. He doesn't want to hear it.)

Liberty 4,032,064
06/02/14 10:07 am

It's called a straw man.

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