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PuppyLvr June 2nd, 2014 5:04am

Should a citizen who wasn't born in the US be allowed to become president?

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beast81 Illinois
06/04/14 6:21 am

If they had a parent who was a citizen, sure

elusive Sactown
06/04/14 1:30 am

If he was a better candidate, I don't see why not.

jackw97 Dallas
06/03/14 6:36 pm

Would y'all want someone as president who was born in Iran/Pakistan/etc? No of course you wouldn't.

blockey
06/03/14 7:57 pm

Yeah, sure. I don't see why not. Why should birthplace automatically make your ideologies and potential to be a successfully president decline? If I agree with them the most, I absolutely would.

gramps
06/03/14 5:56 pm

To me it doesn't matter where birth takes place as long as 1 or both parents are citizens, just the way it is now.

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Iamamerican California
06/03/14 8:45 am

My oldest child was born overseas. He is an American citizen because we, his parents, are. That would make him eligible to be POTUS.

RoDe Latinus wordsus
06/03/14 2:27 pm

While that is likely to be true it has never been tested. It's being debated right now because Ted Cruz, a presumptive presidential candidate, was not born in the US. It does not make him ineligible to run, but if he were to be elected president

RoDe Latinus wordsus
06/03/14 2:30 pm

it would likely be challenged forcing the SC to give a legal definition to "natural born". We'd all presume they would not invalidate his victory, it's just that it has not yet been determined by law.

Iamamerican California
06/03/14 3:16 pm

John McCain was born in Panama while his parents were working there and he was found to be qualified to run for POTUS. Obama's father was not American and he was found to be qualified to be POTUS.

RoDe Latinus wordsus
06/03/14 5:53 pm

Again I'm not saying that it isn't constitutional. My point is that it has never been given a legal interpretation. The term "natural born" has not been defined by the SC, one would assume they'd take it to mean born American, or of American parents.

RoDe Latinus wordsus
06/03/14 5:54 pm

And as I stated, it hasn't been a barrier in determining eligibility for candidates, but none have won so none have had it challenged yet.

Iamamerican California
06/03/14 5:57 pm

Obama should have been challenged since his father wasn't an American citizen.

RoDe Latinus wordsus
06/03/14 7:27 pm

Where do you believe the President was born?

Iamamerican California
06/03/14 7:29 pm

Maybe Hawaii, maybe not. He's a man of too many secrets.

chickencookie
06/03/14 7:41 pm

@Imamerican - no. He's a man of many lies.

RoDe Latinus wordsus
06/03/14 8:58 pm

And that's pretty much all I need to hear

nicolebliss31
06/03/14 8:08 am

No! He or she has to be born in the U.S!

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rstuhr western new york
06/03/14 5:37 am

Only if they were a citizen at birth

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rons on top of the world MA
06/03/14 4:43 am

Maybe we could get Putin in 2016!

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KingRodney Enjoy the Decline
06/02/14 7:34 am

If they're a legal citizen and aren't incompetent than I'll allow it.

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ScrewU Gone
06/03/14 4:18 am

The constitution specifies a "natural born citizen."

GrandmaALiCE
06/03/14 7:42 am

I think the poll is asking if we should make an amendment to change this.

KingRodney Enjoy the Decline
06/03/14 7:45 am

I know what it says, I'm just saying that I don't agree with it.

ScrewU Gone
06/03/14 7:52 am

The founders specifically limited that post to a person with no foreign family entanglements. That still makes sense to me.

GrandmaALiCE
06/03/14 8:13 am

Let's take, for example, somebody like my husband. Born in Germany. Came here at 5 years old. Became a citizen with his parents, as a young child. Raise as an American and never knew anything else. No living relatives abroad. Although ...

GrandmaALiCE
06/03/14 8:14 am

... he never had any *desire* to be President, it does strike me as odd that the Constitution would not have allowed it.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
06/02/14 6:58 am

A natural born "citizen" *can* be born outside US: children born to military & diplomatic corps are "natural born citizens." Children born to American citizens not on USA soil are citizen. If that's kind of thing you are asking: yes. Otherwise: no.

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political Georgia
06/02/14 7:00 am

Correct which is why I am changing my answer!

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
06/02/14 7:51 am

I was asking the question with the assumption that they weren't born a US citizen. Sorry, I probably should have worded that more clearly.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
06/02/14 10:18 pm

If no citizen parent, no. I covered both sides of it in original answer. :-)

ScrewU Gone
06/03/14 3:57 am

The SCOTUS ruled on the definition of a "natural born citizen" in the 1800s. Mother and father must be US citizens. If we're talking about Obama, being born in Hawaii would make him a citizen, but not a "natural born" citizen.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
06/03/14 5:04 am

I know what the law *is*, but I'm asking if things should be that way. And I actually wasn't even thinking about Obama when I wrote the question haha.

ScrewU Gone
06/03/14 6:25 am

Lol. Most people still argue the point. I think it's a reasonable requirement, if a president has close relatives that are foreign they might not put America's interests first.

CTYankee!!! Connecticut
06/02/14 4:59 am

The world's wealthy will then try to buy the US predidency

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Injectable Mojave Mo Problems
06/03/14 8:21 am

and we have enough issues with our own. ;-)

blockey
06/03/14 8:00 pm

Who's wealthier than the American wealthy already buying our elections?

chinito Florida
06/02/14 4:48 am

Usually know but with few exceptions. Like if the mother was outside the country serving the country (Like an ambassador, military...)

meaning Red Stick
06/02/14 6:54 am

I believe they are born a citizen anyways in this scenarios.

moonshot More often I know nothing
06/02/14 2:04 am

If your mother goes on vacation, or on a business trip while pregnant, and births you in another country, you are still a full fledged, natural born citizen fully qualified (at least for in this respect) to run for President.

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moonshot More often I know nothing
06/02/14 2:05 am

Of course assuming that your mother is a U.S. citizen when you are born.

ScrewU Gone
06/03/14 3:59 am

And your father, to be a "natural born" citizen rather than simply a citizen.

OhTheIrony Learning from you
06/02/14 12:07 am

Your place of birth should never be a qualifying factor for anything, imo.

I see the Presidency as a job. We the people who elect the President are the employers.

Birth origin is not a differentiating factor in any job I've applied for...

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OhTheIrony Learning from you
06/02/14 12:10 am

...and should not be one here.

Country of origin does not affect how qualified someone is for the Presidency.

Why should anyone be denied the opportunity to be the President simply because they moved to America after they were born?

krayzewolf New Hampshire
06/01/14 11:29 pm

No. Friggen. Way.

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MrWolfe Nashville
06/01/14 10:26 pm

"That's why we need Ted Cruz in 2016, because he'll straighten these kind of things out!" - The Tea Party

wait, what?! OOOOOPS! :-D

political Georgia
06/01/14 11:05 pm

Mother was US citizen, therefore making him an American.

If it is not that, there is some other weird circumstance that makes him a US citizen.

MrWolfe Nashville
06/01/14 11:17 pm

That's not what the question asked. Let's get our reading comprehension down, mmmmay?

political Georgia
06/02/14 6:51 am

He is considered a natural born citizen, smarty pants.

MrWolfe Nashville
06/02/14 7:15 am

IT STILL DOESN'T ANSWER THE POLL QUESTION.
Jeez, no wonder our schools are failing. Reading isn't that hard, is it?

political Georgia
06/02/14 7:44 am

My answer is yes!

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
06/02/14 8:56 am

I answered poll question elsewhere. Calm down.

GrandmaALiCE
06/03/14 7:45 am

PuppyLvr has stated this question is not about Obama.

Posco teach me
06/01/14 10:25 pm

The fact that the US doesn't own the piece of land that they were born on tells me they are not qualified.

commonsense Read another book
06/01/14 10:41 pm

Huh? Who owns it?

OhTheIrony Learning from you
06/02/14 12:04 am

I think he's being sarcastic.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/01/14 10:22 pm

Maybe. Not someone who was born a foreign citizen then naturalized, but one who was a full US citizen at birth regardless of their place of birth, yes. Born to a US citizen serving in the military or as a diplomat overseas, for example.

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
06/01/14 10:26 pm

That's different, I think the question aims at people born and raised in a foreign country then moved to the US.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/01/14 10:28 pm

The constitution uses the term "natural born citizen", not "born on US soil" or similar, so it seems clear that anyone who is a US citizen from birth would qualify.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/01/14 10:29 pm

I don't see how it makes any difference where they were raised, as long as they are a natural-born citizen.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
06/01/14 10:33 pm

I think the question mostly aims at the possible conflict of interest if you grew up in a different culture, no matter your legal status.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
06/01/14 10:39 pm

A citizen born in the US to American parents, who moved with them overseas as a baby and didn't return until he was fully adult would qualify without question, yet might feel the same conflict.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
06/01/14 10:21 pm

No, as much as they may love America, since they were born, and probably spent part of their life, elsewhere, there is a conflict of interest. I definitely know what I'm talking about here ;)

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
06/01/14 10:24 pm

Before you ask: I was born and raised in Germany, moved to America, love it, am meanwhile a legal resident but not yet citizen, and even if I were, I'd disqualify myself, and this comes from an immigrant.

commonsense Read another book
06/01/14 10:11 pm

Why would I want a foreign national running my country?

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PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
06/01/14 10:12 pm

The question specified that they're a citizen.

MrWolfe Nashville
06/01/14 10:13 pm

John McCain was born in Panama, DERPITY DERP DERP

Praetorianus Fair enough.
06/01/14 10:30 pm

@commonsense: I mostly agree, but do you think foreign born Arnold Schwarzenegger did a good job running California? I'd say yes, so political posts below potus ok, just not the whole nine yards.

commonsense Read another book
06/01/14 10:41 pm

Agreed. All political posts okay save POTUS.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
06/01/14 11:37 pm

Yup. My main argument is that a state governor doesn't have the conflict of interest I mentioned, because he usually doesn't deal in international affairs. The potus has to.

ScrewU Gone
06/03/14 4:04 am

That's precisely the reason for that requirement.

PuppyLvr In love with Listgarten
06/01/14 10:07 pm

I'm a bit torn on this, but I think they should be allowed to as long as they've been a citizen for a certain number of years.

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MrWolfe Nashville
06/01/14 10:21 pm

Hope you or no one you know voted for McCain in '08, then.
Oops!

MrWolfe Nashville
06/01/14 10:21 pm

I know, I know... reading comprehension is hard. Good luck in the future. Little fella!

Posco teach me
06/01/14 10:22 pm

Exactly! If your birth certificate doesn't read USA then get out of my Oval Office.

political Georgia
06/01/14 11:03 pm

He was born on a military base or something like that. He is perfectly fine in that regards. Now, his politics is screwed up.

ScrewU Gone
06/03/14 4:07 am

McCain was born to US citizens on a US military base in Panama. He is a "natural born citizen" by definition. Obama was born to a US citizen and a non-US citizen. He is not a "natural born citizen" even though he was born on US soil.

blockey
06/03/14 8:06 pm

3gun, ANYBODY born on U.S soil is automatically a natural born us citizen. Bin laden could rape a 9 year old who then crosses the border and pops her child out in Texas, and that is a natural born citizen. Have you heard of anchor babies?

ScrewU Gone
06/04/14 5:50 am

No so. They're a citizen, but not a natural born citizen. Read the link I posted to Supreme Court decisions on the definition v