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TheCameron June 1st, 2014 11:32pm

A boss approaches all their employees and asks them to donate a $1000 to a specific candidate running for president saying that he/she (boss) will reimburse them. One employee declines and that employee is fired. Should the firing be legal?

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kspells TheOtherOtherside
06/01/14 5:29 pm

You can fire anyone for any reason but you can also fire anyone for no reason. Which is what smart employers do. Giving a reason is giving grounds to be sued. This case would win in court here in CA, the majority of wrongful termination do.

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 5:33 pm

We always convinced the person that it was in their best interests to voluntarily terminate their own employment.

No chance for a lawsuit then.
Or workers comp claims.

kspells TheOtherOtherside
06/01/14 5:37 pm

And they do so. I'd stay until I was fired. I can't believe people would actually quit. I can see why you would want them to leave being that stupid. Too funny!

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 5:40 pm

They quit of their own free volition every single time. I just told them that today was their last day regardless, and quitting on their own was the only way for them to be in control of the situation.

Worked every single time.

kspells TheOtherOtherside
06/01/14 8:16 pm

GTFO, that is astonishing! I guess because spite is my main motivator I never see things the way others do. Plus I've never seen someone getting fired. Seem a little like poker. Yeah,you're going to have to fire me.

kspells TheOtherOtherside
06/01/14 8:16 pm

GTFO, that is astonishing! I guess because spite is my main motivator I never see things the way others do. Plus I've never seen someone getting fired. Seem a little like poker. Yeah,you're going to have to fire me.

kspells TheOtherOtherside
06/01/14 8:16 pm

GTFO, that is astonishing! I guess because spite is my main motivator I never see things the way others do. Plus I've never seen someone getting fired. Seem a little like poker. Yeah,you're going to have to fire me.

suppressedID I cant breathe
06/02/14 8:41 am

"Spite is my main motivator..."

That statement is astonishing.

EarlyBird Portland
06/01/14 5:03 pm

No, I don't think employers should be able to fire people for whatever reason they want. There's a reason we have laws in place to protect workers. They are good laws.

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MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 5:04 pm

Stop forcing your values on other people!
Keep your morals out of my business!

TheCameron UCF
06/01/14 5:07 pm

What's your business MilkDud?

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 5:19 pm

Why? The only reason that would matter is if you're planning on claiming that my personal experience is unique, and therefore irrelevant, but that your personal experience is somehow better and more appropriate for generalization to all businesses.

TheCameron UCF
06/01/14 5:22 pm

I'm just curious you don't have to tell me if you don't want to.

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 5:25 pm

I've worked in upper level management in nonprofit child social services for most of my career, and I've been responsible for hiring and firing.

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 5:28 pm

The last CEO I worked under was an angry atheist and lesbian who believed the same as I do about this.
There is no justifiable reason to force a anyone to maintain an employer/employee relationship if they don't want to.

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 5:30 pm

And EB is partially correct. I own, operate, and fund a private 24 hour childcare facility with extremely selective enrollment criteria.

TheCameron UCF
06/01/14 5:36 pm

Your experience like everyone's is unique but definitely not irrelevant I respect your opinion sorry if it ever came off that I didn't.

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 5:52 pm

I think that telling someone they can't fire their own employees for any reason they want is basically telling them their experience and opinion is irrelevant.
People should be free to terminate any employment agreement for any reason at all.

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 6:14 pm

I started a poll based on your's cameron

TierasPet
06/01/14 4:41 pm

No and it's illegal to reimburse the expense.

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droo Santa Barbara
06/01/14 4:38 pm

Fire whomever you want for whatever reason you want.

Leave a job whenever you want for whatever reason you want.

Its that simple.

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droo Santa Barbara
06/01/14 4:44 pm

"Hey, I heard you bought and managed your own business. Even though we haven't contributed a single penny nor do we hold any share or stock in it, we are going to tell you who you can hire and who you can't, why you can hire and why you can't, and

droo Santa Barbara
06/01/14 4:44 pm

when you can hire and when you can't. Enjoy your freedom and property."

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 4:37 pm

Yes. You should be able to fire an employee for any reason whatsoever.

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kspells TheOtherOtherside
06/01/14 5:33 pm

No, you should be able to fire any employee for no reason what so ever.

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 5:35 pm

I think there's room for both of us to be right on this.

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 5:42 pm

Is add the caveat that we should be able to fire someone for no reason, or any reason, without them having any legal recourse whatsoever.

I'd be fine with other non-governmental responses like strikes and boycotts for unjust firings, though.

kspells TheOtherOtherside
06/01/14 5:46 pm

Giving a reason is why you can be sued. It's civil court you fire me for a reason goo or bad it's a judgement call. No reason well then what else is there?

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 5:54 pm

I agree with you. I think you're saying how it is, and I'm saying how it ought to be.
I don't care why one person fires another. Any reason is sufficient and should be without consequence.

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 8:12 pm

No. I don't make exceptions for myself.

kspells TheOtherOtherside
06/01/14 8:20 pm

If you felt that you terminated unjustly you wouldn't sue? The money you could be earning instead of no money is that easy to just shrug it off like it ok?

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 8:24 pm

I only have a right to work I've completed.
If the employer fired me, and paid me for the work already completed, then I have no further claim to anything from them.

kspells TheOtherOtherside
06/01/14 8:40 pm

There are just cause and good faith which protect the members of a community from the bad intentions of others. If you run a business you are in trusted to act in good faith. Treat the employees and services as you say you will. If not its deceit.

MrMilkdud Pref pronouns Thou Thee
06/01/14 9:20 pm

There are natural consequences I f a business develops a reputation for deceitful employment practices.
Besides, why would you want to work at such a place anyway?
In any event, a person has no right to wages for work they haven't done.

TheCameron UCF
06/01/14 4:34 pm

Inspired by liberatheiest, ersco, and MrMilkdud and somewhat real events.