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Show Of Hands October 11th, 2012 12:00am

A new 5-year roadmap for Florida public schools sets different proficiency targets for students of different races. Since current performance differs widely by racial group, are different targets a good idea?

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satiricalnick meh
10/16/12 12:44 am

Hey florida guy, are you saying youre in favor of racial segregation?

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jgdssfhjkg Kentucky
10/14/12 8:30 pm

Students should be grouped by ability. if that doesn't fall by race then great! if it does fall by race then so be it. tallent should not be held back in the name of "fairness"! Racial quotas in schools is racist in its self.

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BAL North Carolina
10/14/12 6:31 pm

This bothers me and so does the lower accepted gpa at colleges for minorities.

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itanimulli
10/14/12 2:33 pm

Can you just leave. Leave this country, leave this continent, actually leave this planet. If you aren't going to learn how to spell can you atleast turn on autocorrect? Honestly. SMH.

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like_a_bos Florida
10/14/12 2:17 pm

also people who haven't attended a florida skool or tought at one shouldnt criticize it because you have no experiance

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like_a_bos Florida
10/14/12 2:14 pm

yes omg the asians at my skool are just way 2 smart, the hispanics and afican americans tend 2 have lower grades etc. etc. etc. (im hispanic so yeah) and the whites rang but are mostly exlant students. remember I'm only talking about in my school so it's not everywhere around Florida

itanimulli
10/14/12 1:48 pm

Florida stop being so stupid. The more we pay attention to race, the more of a problem it will be. People are people. You're intelligence isn't based on race.

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wetheslaves Live each moment fully
10/14/12 12:11 pm

I apologize if my words are too strong here. However, I have worked in parliamentary facilities and managed many systems, including education department systems. Trust me. This is not a good thing. I rarely call something pure evil. This is subliminal pure evil at its best. Do not allow this.

wetheslaves Live each moment fully
10/14/12 12:06 pm

It sounds more like shirking responsibility to me. Separate measurements leads to Pandora's box of evil tricks. Do not even consider it. We have already seen what this does in other places and countries. It is evil beneath the surface. Do not let it sneak in under the radar. Do some research.

pinkyusuck The Carribean. I wish.
10/14/12 10:14 am

To quote Riddick: "If you can't keep up, don't step up."

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ScrewU Gone
10/14/12 7:48 am

Measurement of school performance should be race blind. It's not the school's responsibility to compensate for societal factors that affect performance. I don't think they CAN anyway. If education is important to parents they'll make the right decisions for their kids.

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kytoaltoky
10/14/12 6:52 am

How would that change a decision made by the Florida State BOE?

tdaddy Kentucky
10/14/12 6:34 am

Once employers become aware of what's going on wont race once again become an issue in hiring practices

tdaddy Kentucky
10/14/12 6:21 am

Won't this lead to a dumbing down of our society?

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RandFan Headed to IPhone rehab
10/14/12 6:05 am

It all depends on how the targets are structured. If the goal is to eventually have all students at the same level by the end of 5 years, then you need to target groups differently.

wetheslaves Live each moment fully
10/14/12 4:36 am

Tony this looks pretty unanimous across all states with a good sample size. I hope our fellow floridians speak up with letters to their senator. Heck, maybe we should all send a letter to congress.


10/13/12 11:19 pm

Heck to the no!!!!!!!!

tdaddy Kentucky
10/13/12 6:14 pm

I just said black cuz blacks often get the short end of the stick in the USA. Put all the races in a sock and put them in any order you like, it's unfair regardless!!!

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tdaddy Kentucky
10/13/12 6:11 pm

This is crazy!! A black person shouldn't have to work harder than a white, red, or yellow person just because she's smarter than all the others!! It's just not flippin' fair!!

emsies Seattle
10/13/12 4:09 pm

I think this may be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

katiee78 city
10/13/12 2:12 pm

perhaps if they based them on their free lunch status....

wetheslaves Live each moment fully
10/13/12 11:11 am

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Some people begin to feel justified in their prejudice because those students are inferior. This is shirking responsibility and propagating evil in its subliminal form...

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wetheslaves Live each moment fully
10/13/12 11:09 am

This is where the senators, Feds or Supreme Court should do some talking to someone. This sounds like the different school systems for different students in South Africa a few years back. It was not good for those students. Why would it be good for our students. See I told you those students are

chris75
10/13/12 10:04 am

Would this give people the right to discriminate against people according to their diploma when hiring.

whyn0t Denver
10/13/12 9:37 am

Completely ridiculous, when the heck are we as a country going to get over this... ugh

messinapotomia Ohio
10/13/12 9:29 am

This takes "leveling the playing field" BS to a new level of stupidity. So the plan ending racism as a dividing point is to continue to elevate it as an issue. People will excel to at least the minimum standard. This is racism!!! This will ultimately lead those that Need help down further.

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bbk teacher of math
10/13/12 9:21 am

Is the problem drawing distinctions along racial lines? Use household income or parents' education level & the problem is the same. When I get a group of students who have been in rigorous classes & a group that hasn't I can't take both classes (race notwithstanding) to the same place in a year.

wetheslaves Live each moment fully
10/13/12 9:14 am

Kids perform to expectations. The assumed or unspoken expectations are far more powerful than our words of encouragement

dadstad Texas
10/13/12 6:46 am

These practices are what will continue to take this country down.

GoodGuy
10/13/12 6:04 am

She even stated that all though these were her findings that not every person of every race fits the typical results. So yes, no matter your skin color it is quite possible for some people to be much more intelligent than others.

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GoodGuy
10/13/12 6:00 am

a study which had the following results. Whites scored 100, blacks-85, Hispanics-80, Native Americans-79-80, Japanese, Chinese 101-102 and Haisiandic Jews 110-115. All though she was asked to perform this study now she is considered a racist because of her findings.

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GoodGuy
10/13/12 5:54 am

Interesting comments. I'm not going to make reference to the particular question but rather to some people's comments stating that race has nothing to with a persons IQ. Science has proven that it does...watch a show called Through The Wormhole..Is There A Superior Race? A scientist performed...

GoodGuy
10/13/12 5:54 am

Interesting comments. I'm not going to make reference to the particular question but rather to some people's comments stating that race has nothing to with a persons IQ. Science has proven that it does...watch a show called Through The Wormhole..Is There A Superior Race? A scientist performed...

kytoaltoky
10/13/12 5:16 am

"Race" isn't the problem with kids' test scores. It's economics and parental involvement in education. I believe this policy is trying to address inequality between schools as much as anything (i.e., funding levels for poorly-performing schools), but to link that to "race" is wrong and unhelpful!

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mrmc2
10/13/12 5:00 am

Easy there lowend. You couldn't make your point without insults and foul language? Maybe you should try to be a little clearer in your posts. By your reaction this seems to happen to you a lot. Only a lowly person would see others on pedestals. See, that's a put down without foul language.

mrmc2
10/13/12 4:56 am

Responsible Proof that public schools are failing kids? Of my 125 students, 17 have IEPs. I wonder what percentage of charter schools students have them? This union member chooses to have these kids in class because I think every child has a right to a good education. What have you done to help?

Responsible
10/13/12 4:45 am

MrMc ... nonsense! Public schools en masse are failing students. Yes, there are good ones and no Special Ed is no excuse!

Public schools exist to provide union jobs. Charter schools exist to teach students.

Responsible
10/13/12 4:37 am

If anyone needs proof of why this is a TERRIBLE idea, see the genius comment above!

We need the same standard for all, and it must be raised, not lowered!

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Responsible
10/13/12 4:33 am

Yes we can and MUST expect the same high standards for everyone! Your coddling only ensures a permanent second class.

Your view is cancerously shameful!

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obamasuxx
10/13/12 2:10 am

Heh heh heh heh, I bet the blacks have the lowest target. Heaven forbid we hold everyone to one standard.

kales Not Quite Boston
10/13/12 1:02 am

We all know Florida has a crappy school system anyway. But this would just make it 10x worse.

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kales Not Quite Boston
10/13/12 12:58 am

I know some really smart Hispanic kids at my school. Race has nothing to do with it. Upbringing does.

Well, and whether or not they speak English...

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ashpash943 denver
10/12/12 11:58 pm

Worst idea I've ever heard. We get it. Minorities, in general, don't perform as well in school. How are they supposed to get better if we eliminate challenge and competition?

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glencoco Seattle
10/12/12 11:05 pm

what about mixed blood ppl like me...?

ohai
10/12/12 10:25 pm

"Well, Mrs. Johnson, your son scored well... for someone of his race"
Is it me or is this just a disaster waiting to happen?

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Diogenes FreeMeBe
10/12/12 9:40 pm

We need to extinguish the rampant Animal Farm doublespeak from US culture. This is merely another affirmative action program masquerading behind a different name. The Declaration of Independence states all Men are created equal. Awarding some men based on natural events is blasphemous and insulting!

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bbk teacher of math
10/12/12 9:29 pm

You cannot set short-term goals of perfect equality at a time of great disparity. Sure, the long-term goals should be the same for all racial subgroups, but Florida is trying to set a path that is actually plausible.