A simple question: do you think a sexual relationship that involves two people of the same sex is morally wrong?
The gospel in word is love. Too much animosity here. Biblicalists, what happened to love thy neighbor? Whats more important, living gods love or living Leviticus? Love is love. booty is booty. And if you want to live Leviticus, livw ALL of it.
It is wrong on so many levels, but most specifically morally and biologically.
As long as they are competent adults, why would I care what they do with each other when I'm not looking?
I agree, but you didn't answer the question.
If I hadn't answered the question, I wouldn't have been able to post the comment.
I don't really care. But the idea makes me feel gross. Girls are yucky. I bleed enough couldn't handle that times 2
Not in any way, shape, or form.
It's the person, not the plumbing.
...I guess there's pheromones too....
Haha not a cording to my morals. Because God said is the only reason I've seen to think otherwise.
For other people, not me.
So morals can only come from God? I don't think so.
They can come from bubble gum wrappers too.
I'm an atheist. And bisexual. So no, I don't think they do. I'm just saying that if a person sincerely followed the Bible that would make sense.
Morals aren't the result of believing in a higher power. If you can't determine right from wrong then you lack empathy, not religion.
I don't care about gay people. Coincidentally, I don't care about straight people either.
Yes, any sex that is not between a married man and woman is wrong.
Only until you try it ;)
Booty is booty!
If you're doing it right, all sex is at least a little morally wrong. If two people have the same sex, at least they know what they're getting in for!
(That reminds me of this one woman. Totally wrong sex. Everything needed summersaults. Blech!)
To each it own.
It's amoral. Neither moral nor immoral. It doesn't violate anyone's rights, so it's not a question of morality.
*eye roll* like I give a shit about some other couple's genitalia. I can't think of one logical reason it'd be "wrong."
And I don't believe in universal morality.
and therin lies the problem.
Except there is no problem. There's a problem with the concept of having a 'universal morality'.
Without objective truth, everything is relative and everyone can do whatever they want as long as they don't "hurt someone else." Without absolute truth, reality is whatever we want it to be. That's a false and dangerous notion. Truth must be real.
How would you establish absolute truth? Personally, I don't believe it's possible. I don't believe it even exists. Even scientific facts we hold true today can be false tomorrow.
Then the world is nothing but chaos; there is no reason to believe anything at all is true; our lives have no.definate purpose; why bother to learn anything? Might as well pursue pleasure until you die. Sounds like the life story of many Americans.
And based on what have you decided that sex between two individuals is against this absolute truth? Is you say anything religious I'm going to start projectile vomiting all over my phone.
There is no such thing as an unnatural act.
All I said was that there exists and absolute truth. Without it, the world is chaos. We don't get to choose what is true, if we have the courage, we get to hunt down the truth and live by it. Most people live by what feels good at the moment.
What would be an absolute truth?
The laws of physics?
Yeah an you've yet to tell me how you determined homosexual sex to be against this absolute truth. Did god talk to you? Did you find a magic book from the gods? A shrub set aflame start telling you gay sex is against the absolute truths?
Or are these absolute truths just coming from you?
Because the way I see it, they either come from you, or your delusions. So which ever way you choose to look at it, you are handing us these absolute truth, and we aren't having them. To us they're just evidence of a neanderthalic mindset.
Your version of absolute truth is NOT my absolute truth, thank you very much.
Everyone has different morals.
Which proves that they are subjective.
No, it simply proves that though there is objective truth outside of ourselves which we don't get to make up, many people reject this idea in favor of doing what they want to-total freedom without having to answer to any authority except their own.
I believe you should have your own authority over your own body. It's yours, not anyone else's.
Some objective moral truths do exist but objective morality can not be proven. Not without religion, which in and of themselves are beliefs, and therefore not facts or truths.
Priceless quote: “ I know this now, every man gives his life for what he believes; every woman gives her life for what she believes. Sometimes people believe in little or nothing, and yet they give their lives to that little or nothing. (continued)
"One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it, and then it’s gone.To surrender what you are and to live without belief is more terrible than dying; even more terrible than dying young.” St. Joan of Arc, executed age 19.
Nope not morally wrong. Hopefully folks will come to realize that different than them does not make it evil.
Whose morals? Mine? Yours? A mormon? An atheist? A cashier? A diabetic, cynical, middle aged woman who lost her job and likes green tea???! Lmao. Wrong according to some people's morals, not even an issue that is addressed in other's moral code.
I once dated that woman. She was pretty freaky in bed. Must have been the tea.
No, not at all.
Simple answer-yes. That doesn't give anyone the right to harm people who do.
My wife and I disagree.
How could it be any less moral than heterosexual sex?..
Male and female bodies are designed to fit together.
Doesn't mean they should.
What other body parts do we use for purposes other than for what they were intended?
Technically, a lot. Breasts are for feeding, not ogling and fondling. Tested are for storage not pleasure. Hair is for warmth not style. Hands are for grasping not strangling. I could go on.
Doesn't mean they shouldn't either.
It's difficult to determine "intent" on nature. I think we're like art. The artist can offer nothing on their thought process or everything. We're still free to interpret a piece from every angle. It doesn't make it any less beautiful.
I like art so I'm intriged by your analogy. The human body is indeed beautiful. When we use our bodies for what they were designed to do, they work beautifully. What appears to be happening is people trying to justify desires to do otherwise.
It's their body. They have the freedom to justify whatever they want with it. Point blank. There is no rule to say otherwise.
Right. I see exactly what you are saying. The cultural battle cry is 'It's my body, I can do what I want." So it is your body indeed. Problem is there is no accountability for how my actions affect the human race. It's my body, but not mine alone.
I see what you're saying as well but I'm trying to say... We all have our own interpretations of what our bodies are intended for, our own moralities. Sometimes we have our own thoughts on art the creator didn't intend to invoke.
Thank you, KAnne and everyone for sharing.
You can say God is the artist and this is his intention and you KNOW that. But other people KNOW that the artist is someone else with another intention. Nature itself doesn't really dictate the purpose of our bodies. It's all interpretation.
Thanks to all for being civil really! This discussion often gets ugly. I'm glad it was intelligent instead.
Agreed. There is never a need for "ugly."
OK.. There is lots of talk of proper use of sex organs. Who decides?? Is masturbation an appropriate use of human Genitals ? Were they "designed" for self pleasuring as well as mutual sex acts??
*snort* simple. You've been in a pouring-gas-on-the-fire mood recently!
That's a good observation :)
Imo, neither wrong nor right, depends on your morals, and since I don't believe in absolute morals, I can't decide.
Not. At. All.
Morally wrong, but I don't have the right to demand that other people obey my morals.
Then everything is relative and there is no absolute right or wrong about anything. Yet, there is objective truth-we don't get to invent it, only discover it.