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Mattwall1 February 11th, 2014 8:09pm

Do you support public transportation systems?

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clearthinking Nevada
02/12/14 11:28 pm

but only fixed rail types. buses suck

PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
02/12/14 1:21 pm

I think it'll get interesting once cars become autonomous. Instead of a big slow bus there will be a bunch of little pods zipping around.

PeppyHare Do a barrel roll
02/12/14 1:18 pm

Not really. We're so spread out that it isn't practical here. In my town it is really a service for poor people and really... It's mostly old people who can't drive that use it since they started with door to door service.

davidwhite1 Building it Bigger
02/11/14 10:09 pm

I support the development of public transportation infrastructure.
But I do not support as in use public transportation systems.

jrrob CT
02/11/14 5:55 pm

Only the ones that pay for themselves.
I see a bus everyday that goes from Farmington, CT to Hartford, CT with only one person on it.

jmw7477 Indiana
02/11/14 5:49 pm

We just don't have them where I live. The closest thing is a small bus that will come pick you up when you call them & take you to one of a set list of places. Then pick you up at a certain time to take you home. It's $5 per one way trip.

ron6923 parts unknown
02/11/14 5:18 pm

I had to vote no. But if i lived in an area where there was that availability, the it would be yes.

susanr Colorado
02/11/14 4:58 pm

Totally. I've used public transportation in every city in which I've lived, and I can't imagine how people who don't have cars - OR who choose not to use their cars for some purposes - would get around without it, or what the streets would be like

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susanr Colorado
02/11/14 4:58 pm

if they all managed to acquire cars.

kandyland
02/11/14 4:27 pm

I've never used one.

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KAnne Atlantic City, NJ
02/11/14 4:00 pm

Why wouldn't I??

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Mattwall1
02/11/14 4:01 pm

Some people don't for one reason or another

KAnne Atlantic City, NJ
02/11/14 4:12 pm

I don't understand... It's incredibly convenient. Particularly for those unable to drive, who need to travel long distances, that live in an urban setting, and for those who cannot afford a means of transportation such as a car.

KAnne Atlantic City, NJ
02/11/14 4:14 pm

I don't drive, I am frequently in the city (Atlantic City, Philly, and NYC), and I can't afford a car let alone gas. If I can't get a ride and it's not walking distance, I need to rely on public transportation such as the train or metro.

suppressedID IMEACH BIDEN
02/11/14 11:35 pm

Some people might have to ...(gasp)...sit next to a stranger!!!!

mherclif Ann Arbor, MI
02/11/14 2:52 pm

Absolutely!!! As an urban planner, I would love nothing more than to see all our major cities connected by high-speed rail and all cities in each state connected by commuter rail. People deserve options other than car ownership!

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KAnne Atlantic City, NJ
02/11/14 11:45 pm

I would love that! I'm forever mad that if I want/need to go to New York and don't have someone to go with, I still need to get a ride to the station an hour away that will get me there or go from Atlantic City to Philly to NYC. No direct line!

satiricalnick meh
02/11/14 2:23 pm

I just wanna say matt, youre a much more tolerable, unbiased version of veritas which is why i love you. Keep up the good work.

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eLucidate writing
02/11/14 2:14 pm

Yes. The buses in Vail are the best public transportation I've seen.

rons WOKE is sick
02/11/14 1:51 pm

Only if run by the private sector.

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 1:45 pm

Absolutely. Wish we had a better one in LA.

omagabi Surf City
02/11/14 10:04 pm

We had one then it was replaced by cars.

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 10:33 pm

We still have one; I'm saying I wish we had a better one. Like say one that serviced the west side in a remotely convenient manner.

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 10:33 pm

And no, the new commuter rail out to Culver isn't that big of a help when it takes twenty minutes to drive to Culver anyway...

KAnne Atlantic City, NJ
02/11/14 11:54 pm

I don't have experience with it outside of the city, but LA is probably one of the easiest public transportation systems I've ever used. (Comparing it to Philadelphia, New York, DC, Montreal, London, and Paris.)

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 11:56 pm

KAnne, you must have stayed downtown/Pasadena/someplace close to one of those? West LA has horrible public transportation. I love London's system. Easiest public transportation experience I've ever had, and I visit there pretty much every year.

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 11:57 pm

Paris's wasn't too bad when we were there, but we were admittedly staying in the heart of the city. Same thing for NY and Boston. SF's is pretty good too.

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 11:58 pm

Chicago's is O.K. Not amazing, but I know a lot of people who've made it work. But yeah - every city I have visited that bothers attempting public transit does it better than LA, at least the part I live in (my postal address is Los Angeles proper).

KAnne Atlantic City, NJ
02/12/14 12:04 am

I've probably used Boston public transportation, but I don't remember. But yes, I generally stay in the heart of any city. But I've probably never been west enough to experience that without just renting a car.

KAnne Atlantic City, NJ
02/12/14 12:05 am

The Tube is my favorite. I have an Oyster card. I'm pretty biased when it comes to London, though haha

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/12/14 12:16 am

I have an Oyster card too! ;) I even registered it on the off-chance it got lost and now I get random emails about tube strikes hahaha. Didn't use Boston's that much but it was useful for getting around the city and out to a couple suburbs.

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/12/14 12:17 am

It is such a bummer about the west side. That's close to the beaches!! A big part of it is that Beverly Hills won't cooperate with LA city council to extend the subway out to the west. So annoying!!

redsox95 New England
02/11/14 1:33 pm

I support them, but I also support privatizing the systems that are in place now. At least in Massachusetts, the MBTA (subway, busses, trains) is terribly run. A private company could run in much more efficiently in my opinion.

mherclif Ann Arbor, MI
02/11/14 2:54 pm

One of the problems with privatization is the profit motive. What motivation does a business have to ensure that all people have access to such a system? Just like public education, libraries, police, fire, etc. everyone pays in, everyone benefits.

arctostaphylos Ankh Morpork, New York
02/11/14 11:44 pm

Privatization of public transit systems is what killed public transit systems in most of the USA. Trams and light rail lines were bought out by automotive companies (and related businesses) then shut down to drive up demand for cars. Yay!

cornybread The Large Malus Fruit
02/11/14 1:26 pm

What exactly does "support" mean? Like paying to use them? I rely on the MTA when I'm traveling in the city. Despite its flaws, it's a great system. Driving in manhattan is still daunting to me on the other hand.

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Mattwall1
02/11/14 3:06 pm

As in you approve of the concept

Zod Above Pugetropolis
02/11/14 1:19 pm

When they provide a clear benefit, yes. As implemented in most of the US, no. In fact, it's fair to categorize our interstate highways and personal vehicles as our public transportation system, since they are more efficient than alternatives.

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bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 1:46 pm

Are private vehicles actually more efficient than alternatives? Or is there proliferation a result of some combination of individual heuristics and entrenched interests preventing anything else from being implemented?

Zod Above Pugetropolis
02/11/14 2:08 pm

Even in most US cities, yes, but away from cities definitely yes. For public transportation to even come close it needs to have a high ridership which happens only in very densely populated areas.

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 2:39 pm

Fair enough. Where it does/can exist, though, public transportation often is hindered for the reasons I mentioned.

Zod Above Pugetropolis
02/11/14 2:46 pm

I think where it exists AND is self-sustaining, it is well supported and isn't hindered. Where I see it struggling is where it doesn't pay it's own way, or where it doesn't really meet the needs of those it serves. We could use commuter rail here.

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 3:58 pm

Right, that's my point. It's thwarted by a combination of irrational heuristics compounded by pervasive marketing and lobbying by the auto industry. And sometimes snooty jerks in Beverly Hills who won't let you build a subway under their streets!!!

omagabi Surf City
02/11/14 10:08 pm

Do any public transportation system support themselves without subsidies?

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 10:34 pm

Technically, nothing in the United States supports itself without subsidies, since government-backed currency is itself a form of subsidy.

Liberty 4,032,064
02/11/14 1:17 pm

I'm forced to support them.

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Mattwall1
02/11/14 3:39 pm

I meant more along the lines of supporting the concept