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political February 11th, 2014 7:32pm

Should Congress raise the debt ceiling with "no strings attached"?

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danwh1290
02/12/14 2:09 am

We have been raising for years and no questions asked as long as old white men are in charge. Now we can't? Who runs up deficits? Republicans that's who . Who cleans up the mess? Democrats. But never fast enough for the assholes thst caused it.

kscott516 Masks fail
02/12/14 5:34 am

"For the 2014–2023 period, deficits in CBO’s baseline projections total $7.0 trillion. With such deficits, federal debt would remain above 73 percent of GDP—far higher than the 39 percent average seen over the past four decades." CBO

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
02/12/14 1:19 pm

Tunnel vision doesn't eliminate fact ppl have been *screaming* about deficit & wasteful spending - for decades - to no effect. Politicians put in earplugs & continue idiocy regardless protests of WeThePeople, regardless age/race of said politicians.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
02/12/14 1:55 am

Not that it matters. No one seems to be listening to reason or reality. We don't *have* the $$$, but keep borrowing & printing. Guess the great grandkids can figure out how to get out of pit.

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SugarShaq
02/12/14 2:28 am

When's the last time congress really had a budget? They all spend whatever they want. Obama has to sign off in it.

SugarShaq
02/11/14 8:19 pm

"The fact that we're here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Leadership means 'The buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children..."

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SugarShaq
02/11/14 8:20 pm

"....and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit."

brules666 New York
02/11/14 8:14 pm

We can't not raise the debt ceiling. That's basically like saying we aren't going to pay the minimum on our credit card bills. Whether or not we should have a national debt is another discussion. But we are already here. So let's deal with it.

SugarShaq
02/11/14 8:16 pm

Is that what you were saying 6 years ago?

brules666 New York
02/11/14 8:20 pm

6 years ago in 2008 we began into the financial problems. That's when government should be collecting debt, cutting taxes. Right now we should be trying to pay off debts, not trying to make our troubles worse by not paying them.

SugarShaq
02/11/14 8:27 pm

Yes, well that's what Obama said he would do 6 years ago. Yet we are now at 17+ trillion, up from 9 trillion. And Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling at the 9 trillion mark.

brules666 New York
02/11/14 8:46 pm

Well I didn't agree with him then. We need a clean debt ceiling increase. The last thing we need is a government shutdown over whether or not which parts of obamacare republicans want out or which guns liberals want banned.

SugarShaq
02/11/14 8:54 pm

Why? We raise it twice a year, or more.

Attikai Oregon
02/11/14 9:54 pm

National debt is nothing like a personal credit card.

SugarShaq
02/11/14 6:51 pm

I know, I know dems...we are raising the debt ceiling AGAIN because we aren't over spending

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political Georgia
02/11/14 7:30 pm

I think that could be a response to Dan below you.

SugarShaq
02/11/14 8:16 pm

Haha. He is on ignore ;)

political Georgia
02/11/14 8:19 pm

I bet you two got into a nice debate! :)

danwh1290
02/11/14 4:09 pm

The debt ceiling does not approve any new spending. It only authorizes raising the limit to cover budgets already approved and voted on by both sides. It is reckless and scary that some people don't know the difference. Do you people dine and dash?

political Georgia
02/11/14 6:00 pm

Dan, your point is accurate, but I fail to see how anyone is trying to say they are the same.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
02/12/14 2:02 am

Of course option to *reduce* the budget/spending - EVER - is completely off the table, so obviously the ONLY rational option is to multiply debt every 3 months or so... which generates even higher bills/debt, which necessitates ever higher $debt...

thewheel
02/11/14 2:34 pm

How about not raise the debt ceiling at all? Cutting spending isn't a hard concept, yet here we are.

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bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 4:01 pm

Okay. What should they cut? Specific budget line items.

thewheel
02/11/14 5:01 pm

Any nonessential government offices. The First Lady's office for one.

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 5:25 pm

Okay. First Lady's office. Foreign dignitaries hopefully won't be too miffed about their spouses getting snubbed. That saves... What, about two million bucks? Hmm. Okay. Need to cut a lot more. What else?

thewheel
02/11/14 5:32 pm

I'm letting the floodgates open for all sorts of hate here, but I don't understand national parks. Give them to the states, if they don't want them, private companies. It's such a waste.

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 5:42 pm

You're not the first person I've ever heard question the legitimacy of the national parks, though it's not a perspective I share. The entire national parks budget is a little over a billion. Only 743 more of those to go to cover our deficit.

comppete Las Vegas
02/11/14 2:15 pm

I would not raise the debt ceiling unless the President agrees to repeal the ACA.

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bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 4:00 pm

What does one have to do with the other?

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 2:02 pm

Anyone who is opposed to raising the debt ceiling is effectively saying they're okay with retirees getting to Septemberish and finding that they can't pay their bills bc they aren't getting their soc sec checks on time.

political Georgia
02/11/14 2:47 pm

Not really! The government should learn to live below its means. Now, the debt ceiling is practically useless.

kscott516 Masks fail
02/11/14 3:58 pm

That's simply not true. Spending on other programs can be cut so that social security checks get cut just fine.

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 4:00 pm

I understand the overarching ideological point. But what I'm saying is that the actual real effect of this constant brinksmanship is to harm people who've done nothing more irresponsible than believe that their government will honor its obligations.

kscott516 Masks fail
02/11/14 4:02 pm

But it's dishonest to paint those against raising the debt ceiling as not caring about our senior citizens.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
02/11/14 4:04 pm

We don't necessarily have a spending problem solely. We also have an income problem with major corporations avoid taxes through loopholes. Close those first and see where we are.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
02/11/14 4:18 pm

And don't give me that old "We don't want corporations to move overseas.." I'm talking about mulitnationals that already are. They won't stop doing business here as it would still be lucrative to do so, and insane for them to stop business here.

political Georgia
02/11/14 5:58 pm

Sure... Companies such as GE should not get by without paying hardly any taxes. I can agree with that.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
02/12/14 2:07 am

Because SS is *only* Fed expense? There are entire *books* on duplicated/wasteful spending that can be stopped w/neglible harm. Spenders consistently demand frugal state what to cut, then attack & ridicule every item, dismissing responsibility

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
02/12/14 2:10 am

Having done work with ppl in debt it is demonstrably consistent that far more often than not, the problem isn't how much $ they've got, but what they do w/that $. Give them more, they simple live in a nicer degree of debt. Ideology is problem, not $

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/12/14 11:27 am

You don't understand politics if you think spending cuts would come from waste rather than from important social programs.

elianastar Gab.ai FreeSpeech
02/12/14 1:14 pm

I completely understand that politics contrive vindictive behavior for sole purpose of making opponents look petty or evil. I'm simply unwilling to surrender reason, pragmatism, or sense of social justice to politics.

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/12/14 1:51 pm

I'm not talking about vindictiveness; I'm talking about power. Why do you think government waste exists in the first place? What, just because they're sloppy? You don't think wasteful spending is purposeful?

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
02/11/14 1:27 pm

Congress should never again raise the debt ceiling, strings or no strings!
CUT SPENDING!
CUT SPENDING!
CUT SPENDING!
CUT SPENDING!
CUT SPENDING!

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Maynard Londor
02/11/14 1:00 pm

If they want to keep their jobs, they will, but I won't go on about how arbitrary the debt ceiling is; expectially when you can vote on it, and just raise it whenever.

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MrMilkdud
02/11/14 12:58 pm

Sure! We can call it the "Let's Burn This Mother Down!!" Act of 2014.

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Maynard Londor
02/11/14 1:00 pm

Good by cruel world.

EarlyBird Portland
02/11/14 1:10 pm

Lol milk!

Maynard Londor
02/11/14 3:01 pm

It was everything I had to do, to not die from laughing, when I read his comment ha.

Zech22
02/11/14 12:50 pm

The debt ceiling is already useless, but no there should not be no strings attached. We need to get spending under control. Soon.

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political Georgia
02/11/14 12:53 pm

....in return for increasing the debt clock?

Zech22
02/11/14 1:15 pm

No we should cut spending and not raise the debt ceiling.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
02/11/14 12:44 pm

It hasn't been an issue before this president.

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political Georgia
02/11/14 12:47 pm

We weren't in 17 trillion dollars in debt either, but your point is fair.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
02/11/14 12:49 pm

And I acknowledge the truth of your statement. I have yet to see any statistic of how much of that debt is due to "mandates" that were in place before Pres Obama. I only see the number with no perspective.

political Georgia
02/11/14 12:52 pm

The debt clock might give you a perspective. :)

MrMilkdud
02/11/14 12:59 pm

It was definitely an issue before this president. In fact, Obama is in record as being very strongly against debt ceiling increases under bush.

MrMilkdud
02/11/14 12:59 pm

*on record

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
02/11/14 1:05 pm

Political, the debt clock only shows totals per year. Often legislation mandating spending is signed, and spending happens years afterward. That is my Q.

Milkdud, yes, but Obama was one voice amongst many that didn't flinch to raise it.

MrMilkdud
02/11/14 1:08 pm

Not really- it's always been a political football

political Georgia
02/11/14 1:09 pm

That would require some in-depth research on each sector.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
02/11/14 1:12 pm

Milkdud; True.

Political; also true. But all anyone mentions it the total number as if the debt was all in the lap of this pres. Which, in effect, it is. But not all due to their decisions. In fact, most forget that the House generates ALL spending

political Georgia
02/11/14 1:13 pm

Who had control of the House prior to 2010?

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
02/11/14 1:17 pm

Over the decades, each has had their turn. That is the scale I am thinking about. You may not know this, but SS was flush with cash in the 80s. Reagan snatched the cash and replaced it with Gvt Bonds allowing his "debt free" spending spree.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
02/11/14 1:17 pm

2/3rds of what the US owe is to that fund.

BOOOBAMA
02/11/14 12:42 pm

I am your 500th follower..I hope you are a conservative

political Georgia
02/11/14 12:43 pm

Cowboy is pretty conservative! :)

cowboy Doors of Perception
02/11/14 12:46 pm

I'm up to 500? Wow... Thank you!

BOOOBAMA
02/11/14 12:50 pm

i only follow conservitives... so if you are a liberal let me know now.

cowboy Doors of Perception
02/11/14 12:53 pm

Well then you better learn how to spell conservative... And no. I'm a fan of the Constitution, not the Communist Manifesto.

BOOOBAMA
02/11/14 12:54 pm

conservative*... touche

political Georgia
02/11/14 12:57 pm

Boo, Why don't you follow liberals?

BOOOBAMA
02/11/14 12:59 pm

I haven't met any liberals with whom I can carry on a sensible debate with. Most liberals argue based completely off of emotion and refuse to face any facts...

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 1:57 pm

Booob, if you're trolling to make conservatives look closed-minded that's really counterproductive. There are plenty of thoughtful conservatives. Political's a great example of one.

political Georgia
02/11/14 6:13 pm

Awe! Thanks Bethany!

SugarShaq
02/11/14 6:53 pm

I don't follow liberals either. Gotta be at least 60%. Who needs the annoyance? Not me.

bethanyq Ess Eff
02/11/14 7:10 pm

I don't understand the mindset of preferring an echo chamber to vigorous discussion. I truly don't. It's one thing not to follow an individual you find you can't civilly converse with; it's another to write someone off simply for different OPINIONS.

SugarShaq
02/12/14 2:36 am

And a good many of them stay on ignore, for the reasons Boo stated above, plus the hypocrites.

BOOOBAMA
02/11/14 12:35 pm

Raising the debt ceiling will only worsen our country's current condition. What is the purpose of a debt ceiling if it is never enforced.

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political Georgia
02/11/14 12:37 pm

Congress just wants to take the easy way out. Raising the debt ceiling is quite easy.

political Georgia
02/11/14 12:33 pm

There needs to be some cuts. The ceiling is purposless unless you enforce it. The debt ceiling is now pratically useless.

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EarlyBird Portland
02/11/14 12:58 pm

No worm cuts though, poli.

political Georgia
02/11/14 12:59 pm

Lol EB beat me to it!

political Georgia
02/11/14 1:12 pm

I hope I am following you. I have had some technology problems that made me think that I unfollowed you, but I have hit follow like 4 times. So I have to be following you. :)

EarlyBird Portland
02/11/14 1:14 pm

If you are following me, you should see my poll on incest.