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Jack14 February 11th, 2014 2:23pm

"Students cheat on tests because our school system values grades more than students value learning."

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bMyComrade Stumptown
02/11/14 8:10 am

Not all, and in my experience, not even most who cheat. They do so more often because their prefrontal cortex isn't developed and they lack impulse control.

Jack14 Massachusetts
02/11/14 9:33 am

You can talk about the brain all you want but they do it for the grade. That is the incentive for the impulse.

bMyComrade Stumptown
02/11/14 9:41 am

No, that's the assumption. If you sit and talk with students, that's far less than you'd think. The ones that get caught are the ones who cheat on more than just a problem or two, or steal whole papers, but that's not actual a majority.

Keldeo Laverre City
02/11/14 10:22 am

Do you think I could use this to justify everything I do wrong? Sorry cop, I didn't mean to murder that guy. You see, my prefrontal cortex isn't developed, it wasn't my fault!

bMyComrade Stumptown
02/11/14 10:37 am

What part of what I said excused any of it? Oh that's right, none. Understanding why it happens doesn't excuse exacting appropriate consequences.

Keldeo Laverre City
02/11/14 10:38 am

But comrade. If it's not my control, just my undeveloped brain, what consequence could possibly be appropriate?

bMyComrade Stumptown
02/11/14 10:47 am

If you won't take this seriously there's no point in me defending this. Every other thing caused by children's and adolescents' lack of mental maturity has consequences, this is no different. Similar to ignorance of the law is not a defense. Good day

bMyComrade Stumptown
02/11/14 11:21 am

Sarcasm is a poor discussion technique.

Keldeo Laverre City
02/11/14 1:00 pm

I'd be willing to bet you've used sarcasm many times a discussion.

beanD California
02/11/14 8:07 am

Not necessarily. It may not be the school system, it may be the kid himself, or the kid's parents. Or it could be the kid wanting to assert that he's better, with one of the only absolute measuring systems there is.

DunkinFrunk Austin area, Texas
02/11/14 8:05 am

students cheat on tests because humans are lazy liars and cheats.

Keldeo Laverre City
02/11/14 8:03 am

Students cheat because they're too trashy to learn. I disagree with the part about grading too. Our system absolutely cares about learning, which is effectively quantified through grades.

Jack14 Massachusetts
02/11/14 8:04 am

You're telling me only "trashy" students cheat?

Keldeo Laverre City
02/11/14 8:13 am

The vast, vast majority are trashy students.

02/11/14 8:37 am

You must be a teacher

Jack14 Massachusetts
02/11/14 9:36 am

Then the vast majority of students must be trashy then.

EarlyBird Portland
02/11/14 8:00 am

Sounds accurate to me.

02/11/14 7:57 am

I do not agree that test should be 60% of their grades - so I see why they'd cheat.
I also, think kids cheat because they don't want to put in the study time.

XercesBlue ...
02/11/14 7:35 am

I'm not sure most kids look at it that way. Yes in the sense that tests are weighted more, but no in the sense that I don't think kids are cheating primarily for that reason.

Jack14 Massachusetts
02/11/14 7:44 am

If they aren't cheating for good grades, why are they cheating?

XercesBlue ...
02/11/14 7:55 am

I think they cheat more for fear of repercussions, but to be honest, I woke up a little more and think that ties into your point more than I originally thought. The repercussions tie into the importance of grades.