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JustBob Your anger fascinates me
02/10/14 8:44 pm

There is a question I heard awhile back that I keep thinking about, if something can't be observed, does it exists? If I leave a chair in a room and walk out, is the chair still there? Silly concept, of course the chair is still there, yet I have to

JustBob Your anger fascinates me
02/10/14 8:45 pm

Ask myself, how do I truly know that the chair is still there, I can call it common sense, because I know deep down in my heart it is, but then again how is knowing the chair is there without faith?

Alkan
02/10/14 11:01 am

Have hope, not faith. I hope Argentina wins the World Cup, I however do not have faith. That is just setting myself up for disappointment.

jvberg Winter has Come
02/09/14 8:17 pm

Faith is important in a lot of cases and that can be defined in ways of faith in a good or faith that good things are going to come or happen

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
02/09/14 9:11 pm

Faith is always a bad thing. Believing something without evidence should be discouraged.

jvberg Winter has Come
02/09/14 9:19 pm

it's more of a positive frame of mind for me, faith in something good happening

TalkPolitics Chevy Chase, MD
02/09/14 6:27 pm

Everyone has faith. It just differs on what people wish to invest their faith in.

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citethesource Socialist and Atheist
02/09/14 9:11 pm

No. They don't. I have no faith.

TalkPolitics Chevy Chase, MD
02/11/14 7:41 am

You have no faith in your country, yourself, your family, humanity, a company, some cause, and/or your personal (not necessarily religious) beliefs.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
02/11/14 11:58 am

I repeat, I have no faith. Faith is belief without evidence. I believe with evidence. I trust my family and friends.

TalkPolitics Chevy Chase, MD
02/11/14 4:14 pm

Faith has multiple meanings. One of which is belief without proof. Another is confidence and trust in a person of thing. Having a code of ethics is another form of faith.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
02/11/14 5:02 pm

And I defined my term. If you would like to use faith to mean other things, that's fine. But this is what I mean.

spicysteve M14D SBS
02/09/14 5:21 pm

Only to those not brave enough to have any.

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meaning Red Stick
02/09/14 5:07 pm

Is hope pointless.

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EarlyBird Portland
02/09/14 6:06 pm

Hope is very important.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
02/09/14 9:12 pm

Hope and faith are not equivalent. Nice try.

EarlyBird Portland
02/09/14 9:27 pm

Cite- you mean "one of those things is not like the other"?

meaning Red Stick
02/09/14 10:03 pm

Maybe not equivalent, but in this context they are related.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
02/09/14 10:04 pm

That's a good way of saying it.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
02/09/14 10:50 pm

Then, please, show that your assertion is true.

meaning Red Stick
02/09/14 10:54 pm

Contextually speaking this is pretty much based on faith in a supreme deity. Correct? If so I as a catholic have faith that God/sky wizard/fsm/applicable is real in some way shape or form. I also hope that (s)he is real. That's what I think on that.

citethesource Socialist and Atheist
02/09/14 11:15 pm

How does a lack of faith make hope pointless, as you originally stated?

meaning Red Stick
02/09/14 11:32 pm

In this context, by my definition, it does, by your definition apparently not.

meaning Red Stick
02/10/14 12:01 am

Let me clarify. In this context, by my definition if I don't have faith or belief in something why would I hope for it to exist? Contextually I view them as related, you don't, I don't see a problem with this. We can believe differently.

JaidOC Macon, GA
02/09/14 4:44 pm

Not in the slightest.

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beanD California
02/09/14 4:25 pm

I couldn't name a single person who doesn't (or didn't) have some kind of faith.

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Praetorianus Fair enough.
02/09/14 4:33 pm

I come close. There is little I completely rule out unless proven or refuted by science, and I don't think I have superstitions. I'm an agnostic who simply doesn't decide on way or the other and is okay with not knowing everything.

beanD California
02/09/14 5:00 pm

You have faith in science. You trust that it has the final say in what is and what isn't. You have faith in your own ability to interpret science; you have faith in your own ability to know anything.

Praetorianus Fair enough.
02/09/14 5:25 pm

No, science is about evidence not faith. Nice try to spin it though.

beanD California
02/09/14 5:38 pm

It's not, though. I mean, it is, but think about how the evidence is obtained: humans. Collect, measure, analyze, it's all done with the human brain. On what logical grounds do you trust your own brain? It's weird - the only things we can possibly...

beanD California
02/09/14 5:38 pm

...appeal to as evidence to trust our own brains, come from our own brains. There is no external force that can possibly be involved. We just have faith that our brains see things accurately.

beanD California
02/09/14 5:39 pm

And that we even know what accurately is, for that matter. Haha

Praetorianus Fair enough.
02/09/14 6:34 pm

Your argument is completely valid, we may live in a consistent delusion like the Matrix, I take that into account. I only expect things to be what they are as a tentative working hypothesis, not a given. If I wouldn't, I'd be crippled, unable to...

Praetorianus Fair enough.
02/09/14 6:36 pm

...function. However, I don't really have faith in that hypothesis. It seems to work for now. If what I perceive as gravity suddenly reverts and I'm flung into what I call spacw, I wouldn't be surprised, I'd just register it.

beanD California
02/09/14 8:22 pm

But what is the difference between that hypothesis that every action you take is based on, and faith? I'm not saying faith is bad, anything but, just that we all have faith and can't really function without it.

beanD California
02/09/14 8:23 pm

Also, really? You wouldn't be surprised if you randomly flew into space? Honestly? I just find that extremely hard to believe.

Whichendisup uniquely unoriginal
02/09/14 4:17 pm

the act of love, especially when another has not expressed their love for you is an act of faith. this will seem extreme, but I believe how a newborn acts with his/her mother when it is first born is an act of faith that it will be loved/cared for.

skinner Jersey City
02/09/14 4:16 pm

Not at all. It's what keeps us going every day. Everyone has faith, even atheists.

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Cole12 ...
02/09/14 4:17 pm

Not everyone.

EarlyBird Portland
02/09/14 4:37 pm

Cole- faith means confidence or trust in someone. Having faith is normal and healthy.

Cole12 ...
02/09/14 4:49 pm

Faith: "complete trust or confidence in someone or something." I trust a few people, but I certainly don't have complete trust in them.

skinner Jersey City
02/09/14 4:50 pm

Cole do you believe you will wake up tomorrow?

Cole12 ...
02/09/14 5:03 pm

If I crunched the numbers, there's probably a 99.something percent chance that I'll wake up tomorrow. But there's a small chance that I won't, and I accept that.

skinner Jersey City
02/09/14 6:29 pm

But if you had to guess you will wake up tomorrow. So you have faith that you will wake up. Also don't you have faith in your political beliefs?

kermie gaytopia
02/09/14 4:13 pm

Feels not only pointless to me but dangerous. Keeps us from facing reality.

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EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
02/09/14 4:24 pm

We're already not facing reality. Well, I do believe you are more than most.

But do you really believe your five senses? Best we got, but is that all?

EarlyBird Portland
02/09/14 4:39 pm

C'mon guys... faith isn't a bad thing if directed correctly.

kermie gaytopia
02/09/14 4:40 pm

Well now I suppose we can debate what reality is, but that seems as pointless as faith to me. We have to accept what we see and feel as real.

EarlyBird Portland
02/09/14 4:42 pm

Kermie- I bet you have faith that your boyfriend will be at home tonight waiting for you, rather than at a strip joint, right?

kermie gaytopia
02/09/14 4:45 pm

To me that's trust, not faith. Trust is built on something. Faith isn't.

EarlyBird Portland
02/09/14 5:50 pm

Good comment, you have me thinking about it now. Faith isn't built like trust is... Hmm

EarlyBird Portland
02/09/14 5:51 pm

I think I need to sleep on that. You may be right.

kermie gaytopia
02/09/14 6:03 pm

Of course, I'm always right ;)

MrEdwin Mystery
02/09/14 6:30 pm

To have faith is to also put your trust in someone no?

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
02/09/14 8:19 pm

But trust comes from empirical experience. Faith does not.

The associated word with faith is "blind".

jenks76 Western Kentucky
02/09/14 4:09 pm

When you sit down in a chair do you have faith that it will support your weight or do you confirm it will by testing it first every time you sit?

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HayleyS looking up.
02/09/14 4:01 pm

Nah. It had a purpose. And sometimes you need to believe things will get better even though things look like they won't.

Cole12 ...
02/09/14 4:22 pm

Nothing in particular...

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
02/09/14 3:58 pm

No. Faith can give hope to the hopeless. If they think someone will love them regardless, that harms me in no way.

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kermie gaytopia
02/09/14 4:12 pm

Why can't we just have hope regardless? Life is too beautiful to tarnish it with make-believe.

EnderWiggin So disillusioned...
02/09/14 4:21 pm

Can't say for others. I'm a Daoist so I walk into Church when I walk out of my door. Hope swirls around me always.

I put it down to "Whatever gets you through the night..."

kermie gaytopia
02/09/14 4:40 pm

I get myself through the night. :(

kermie gaytopia
02/09/14 4:41 pm

Sorry that was supposed to be a :)

DeusOrbus Stay Positive
02/09/14 3:57 pm

Believing in something without evidence is silly.

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Whichendisup uniquely unoriginal
02/09/14 3:53 pm

I see it as something that is valid for many disciplines