Is faith a stupid concept?
There is a question I heard awhile back that I keep thinking about, if something can't be observed, does it exists? If I leave a chair in a room and walk out, is the chair still there? Silly concept, of course the chair is still there, yet I have to
Ask myself, how do I truly know that the chair is still there, I can call it common sense, because I know deep down in my heart it is, but then again how is knowing the chair is there without faith?
Have hope, not faith. I hope Argentina wins the World Cup, I however do not have faith. That is just setting myself up for disappointment.
Faith is important in a lot of cases and that can be defined in ways of faith in a good or faith that good things are going to come or happen
Faith is always a bad thing. Believing something without evidence should be discouraged.
it's more of a positive frame of mind for me, faith in something good happening
Everyone has faith. It just differs on what people wish to invest their faith in.
No. They don't. I have no faith.
You have no faith in your country, yourself, your family, humanity, a company, some cause, and/or your personal (not necessarily religious) beliefs.
I repeat, I have no faith. Faith is belief without evidence. I believe with evidence. I trust my family and friends.
Faith has multiple meanings. One of which is belief without proof. Another is confidence and trust in a person of thing. Having a code of ethics is another form of faith.
And I defined my term. If you would like to use faith to mean other things, that's fine. But this is what I mean.
Only to those not brave enough to have any.
Is hope pointless.
Hope is very important.
Hope and faith are not equivalent. Nice try.
Cite- you mean "one of those things is not like the other"?
Maybe not equivalent, but in this context they are related.
That's a good way of saying it.
No, they aren't related.
I beg to differ.
Then, please, show that your assertion is true.
Contextually speaking this is pretty much based on faith in a supreme deity. Correct? If so I as a catholic have faith that God/sky wizard/fsm/applicable is real in some way shape or form. I also hope that (s)he is real. That's what I think on that.
How does a lack of faith make hope pointless, as you originally stated?
In this context, by my definition, it does, by your definition apparently not.
Let me clarify. In this context, by my definition if I don't have faith or belief in something why would I hope for it to exist? Contextually I view them as related, you don't, I don't see a problem with this. We can believe differently.
Not in the slightest.
I couldn't name a single person who doesn't (or didn't) have some kind of faith.
I come close. There is little I completely rule out unless proven or refuted by science, and I don't think I have superstitions. I'm an agnostic who simply doesn't decide on way or the other and is okay with not knowing everything.
You have faith in science. You trust that it has the final say in what is and what isn't. You have faith in your own ability to interpret science; you have faith in your own ability to know anything.
No, science is about evidence not faith. Nice try to spin it though.
It's not, though. I mean, it is, but think about how the evidence is obtained: humans. Collect, measure, analyze, it's all done with the human brain. On what logical grounds do you trust your own brain? It's weird - the only things we can possibly...
...appeal to as evidence to trust our own brains, come from our own brains. There is no external force that can possibly be involved. We just have faith that our brains see things accurately.
And that we even know what accurately is, for that matter. Haha
Your argument is completely valid, we may live in a consistent delusion like the Matrix, I take that into account. I only expect things to be what they are as a tentative working hypothesis, not a given. If I wouldn't, I'd be crippled, unable to...
...function. However, I don't really have faith in that hypothesis. It seems to work for now. If what I perceive as gravity suddenly reverts and I'm flung into what I call spacw, I wouldn't be surprised, I'd just register it.
But what is the difference between that hypothesis that every action you take is based on, and faith? I'm not saying faith is bad, anything but, just that we all have faith and can't really function without it.
Also, really? You wouldn't be surprised if you randomly flew into space? Honestly? I just find that extremely hard to believe.
the act of love, especially when another has not expressed their love for you is an act of faith. this will seem extreme, but I believe how a newborn acts with his/her mother when it is first born is an act of faith that it will be loved/cared for.
Not at all. It's what keeps us going every day. Everyone has faith, even atheists.
Cole- faith means confidence or trust in someone. Having faith is normal and healthy.
Faith: "complete trust or confidence in someone or something." I trust a few people, but I certainly don't have complete trust in them.
Cole do you believe you will wake up tomorrow?
If I crunched the numbers, there's probably a 99.something percent chance that I'll wake up tomorrow. But there's a small chance that I won't, and I accept that.
But if you had to guess you will wake up tomorrow. So you have faith that you will wake up. Also don't you have faith in your political beliefs?
Feels not only pointless to me but dangerous. Keeps us from facing reality.
We're already not facing reality. Well, I do believe you are more than most.
But do you really believe your five senses? Best we got, but is that all?
C'mon guys... faith isn't a bad thing if directed correctly.
Well now I suppose we can debate what reality is, but that seems as pointless as faith to me. We have to accept what we see and feel as real.
Kermie- I bet you have faith that your boyfriend will be at home tonight waiting for you, rather than at a strip joint, right?
To me that's trust, not faith. Trust is built on something. Faith isn't.
Good comment, you have me thinking about it now. Faith isn't built like trust is... Hmm
I think I need to sleep on that. You may be right.
Of course, I'm always right ;)
To have faith is to also put your trust in someone no?
But trust comes from empirical experience. Faith does not.
The associated word with faith is "blind".
When you sit down in a chair do you have faith that it will support your weight or do you confirm it will by testing it first every time you sit?
Nah. It had a purpose. And sometimes you need to believe things will get better even though things look like they won't.
Hmm, what caused this question?
Nothing in particular...
No. Faith can give hope to the hopeless. If they think someone will love them regardless, that harms me in no way.
Why can't we just have hope regardless? Life is too beautiful to tarnish it with make-believe.
Can't say for others. I'm a Daoist so I walk into Church when I walk out of my door. Hope swirls around me always.
I put it down to "Whatever gets you through the night..."
I get myself through the night. :(
Sorry that was supposed to be a :)
Believing in something without evidence is silly.
I see it as something that is valid for many disciplines