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nickyreads You Are Loved
02/08/14 9:52 am

you are right. I apologize. maybe you should enter these conversations a bit sooner

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d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/09/14 11:08 am

No worries. Here to help :-) and I'm sorry if I came across as rude

nickyreads You Are Loved
02/09/14 11:59 am

you didn't, I am just typically a strong willed person and often need someone to tell me to cool down

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
02/07/14 3:20 pm

Yes. God would not have instituted heterosexual marriage if he had not given us the right to be married.

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TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
02/07/14 4:01 pm

Can anyone take it away? No. Then it must be a right.

Rocker saved by grace
02/07/14 4:11 pm

Good thought. Life is also a God-given right and thousands of abortions are committed each day. I like your thinking, though.

nickyreads You Are Loved
02/07/14 6:04 pm

a right that is removed initially immoraly. if we go with that process we have no rights but our thoughts and beliefs

d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/07/14 9:26 pm

I wouldn't say it's a right Tom. I would say, if Christianity be true, it's a privileged gift allowed by God, like a drivers license almost.

nickyreads You Are Loved
02/07/14 9:29 pm

it's what God intended for us at Creation, how is that like a driver's license?

d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/07/14 9:31 pm

I'm hardly saying it isn't what He intended. But that it is a responsibility alongside the fun and beauty. A responsibility that is privileged to us by God. I can't demand if God to let me marry someone. I can honor the plan He has fir me but I

d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/07/14 9:32 pm

Cannot demand it like I can with rights. I can demand as a us citizen my right to a trial by jury but with God the idea of rights takes on a different meaning

nickyreads You Are Loved
02/07/14 9:44 pm

true, so maybe a gift instead of right? drivers license still doesn't quite fit

d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/07/14 9:46 pm

Your right. Not a great example but close enough fir out purposes . :-) how've you been this week?

TomLaney1 Jesus is Lord
02/07/14 10:55 pm

Dom, you're absolutely right.

nickyreads You Are Loved
02/08/14 9:35 am

better thanks

nickyreads You Are Loved
02/07/14 3:08 pm

natural right. why wouldn't it be????

elusive Sactown
02/07/14 2:46 pm

I would consider it a privilege.

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elusive Sactown
02/07/14 3:26 pm

Just like driving. :)

sadewt Rexburg, Idaho
02/07/14 4:37 pm

what makes it a privilege, rather than a right?

d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/07/14 9:28 pm

Omgoodness look up haha. Said the same thing. And Sadewt: what makes it a right? God instituted it, it is a responsibility aswell as a gift. Like a gun or a car, yes it's fun! It's awesome! But it also needs careful handling, maintenance, allowance

d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/07/14 9:28 pm

Of the father giving the marriage (car, gun)

sadewt Rexburg, Idaho
02/07/14 10:00 pm

Ok, great analogies, you've managed to convince me. :)

d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/07/14 10:03 pm

Sweet!!!!! How are ya Amiga :-)

sadewt Rexburg, Idaho
02/07/14 10:08 pm

lol, I'm good. you know I'm a guy right?

d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/07/14 10:13 pm

:-O......my bad dude...........I'm mortified.....sorry

d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/07/14 10:13 pm

I have had that happen to me. I'm so sorry lol.

sadewt Rexburg, Idaho
02/07/14 10:14 pm

lol, it's ok. with no profile pic you had no way of knowing. I'll try to type more masculinely in the future

foxycheese202 A Mormon
02/07/14 2:29 pm

No marriage is a right. If the government can dictate who gets to, and can take it away just as well that doesn't seem like a right to me. Marriage doesn't affect how much I love my family, nor does it keep all couples monogamous.

foxycheese202 A Mormon
02/07/14 2:30 pm

I understand it being a tax benefit to offset how expensive having a family can be, but still does seem like a right to me.

bluerum29 optimistic idealist
02/07/14 3:01 pm

I disagree with the tax benefits. I don't think marriage or kids should get you tax breaks. If anything people who have kids should pay more in taxes since they contribute more to the money government has to spend

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
02/07/14 1:28 pm

Marriage is a right for all consenting humans. It's not just heterosexuals.

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Rocker saved by grace
02/07/14 1:34 pm

Who says, Mr. L?

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
02/07/14 1:35 pm

Who says it's strictly for heterosexuals? Aside from a religious standpoint.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
02/07/14 1:36 pm

The unity is based out of love, or some other perceived benefit from a union, and shouldn't be arbitrarily given to one group just because they have different sexual organs.

Rocker saved by grace
02/07/14 1:40 pm

I don't think the Bible says that heterosexual marriage is a right. Which is why I'm asking.

MrLucchese If curious, ask.
02/07/14 1:44 pm

I view it as a provision under the natural right of liberty. I do not think anyone should have benefits given to them just because they're married, but I think it should be recognized under the law and protected.

JennaAwesome Book Lover
02/07/14 1:23 pm

Yes. Marriage for homosexualities should be a right as well.

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Rocker saved by grace
02/07/14 1:34 pm

Where did this so-called "right" come from?

JennaAwesome Book Lover
02/07/14 1:36 pm

Where did this so called "right" for heterosexuals come in?

Rocker saved by grace
02/07/14 1:38 pm

I don't recall that it did. Is it a right?

JaidOC Macon, GA
02/07/14 1:22 pm

Most definitely, but not homosexual.

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JennaAwesome Book Lover
02/07/14 1:34 pm

It should be though

Rocker saved by grace
02/07/14 1:40 pm

No, it shouldn't.

JennaAwesome Book Lover
02/07/14 1:41 pm

Yes, it should.

Rocker saved by grace
02/07/14 1:41 pm

I don't believe that either are rights.

JennaAwesome Book Lover
02/07/14 1:43 pm

Should homosexuality be legal? (The marriage of two homosexuals, I mean.)

Rocker saved by grace
02/07/14 1:48 pm

I don't believe so, but if it does become legal, they shouldn't have (yet another "right") to force a godly pastor to marry them or force a business to bake them a wedding cake, for example.

nickyreads You Are Loved
02/07/14 3:07 pm

homosexuality is hateful to God. it should NEVER be legalized

JennaAwesome Book Lover
02/07/14 3:13 pm

Comments like that are hateful to God.

nickyreads You Are Loved
02/07/14 3:32 pm

I can give biblical support, can you?

Rocker saved by grace
02/07/14 3:38 pm

Actually, God said that homosexuality is "detestable." He didn't say the people are. Also, God said "woe to them that call evil good and good evil."

JennaAwesome Book Lover
02/07/14 3:39 pm

I haven't actually read the entire bible

Rocker saved by grace
02/07/14 3:45 pm

You don't need to to know what God says about same sex "marriage." We know that God never changes, so when He said that the actions are "detestable" in Leviticus 18:23, we know that He meant what He said.

nickyreads You Are Loved
02/07/14 6:03 pm

absolutely, rocker. that's what I said. God still loves the person, even though they are committing a sin detestable to him. that was actually the main problem with Sodom and Gomorrah, which he destroyed for their sin, btw

d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/07/14 9:34 pm

And this is why homosexuals and athiests call us biggots. Could have been handled a better way guys.

nickyreads You Are Loved
02/08/14 9:37 am

how? paint evil with a black brush, this is reality. I don't like it, but that's why I'm not God

d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/08/14 9:39 am

We are to do everything in love, especially when telling others about our doctrine. How does it convince people we are correct? That's why we describe it in love. I didn't see that.

d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/08/14 9:41 am

And all of us are evil. We are all sinful and evil, the difference is we are forgiven and changed in Christ.

nickyreads You Are Loved
02/08/14 9:42 am

like I said, God loves the person but hates their sin. our job isn't to convince people, d0m. it's to inform them and let God work in their lives. if he chooses us to do that, great. but WE can't change anybody

d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/08/14 9:44 am

We can't change people and Hid does the work, but our arguments should be coherent. The Gospel is insulting enough. We shouldn't make it more so to people. Christ brings the change but as servants we should strive to do our best.

d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/08/14 9:46 am

Christ spoke the truth but He did so in love, like the woman at the well, He did not call her evil or detestable, He said what she did was wrong but offered her living water. Anytime we denounce something as wrong, we must connect it to the love of

d0m333 Pennsylvania
02/08/14 9:46 am

Christ or else it is vanity, it does nothing but harden the person heart more often then not, in my own experience

tdyakker lost
02/07/14 1:19 pm

Yes it's right for heterosexuals while gay marriage is right for gays. as long as the couple want to be together why would marriage be wrong?

nickyreads You Are Loved
02/07/14 7:12 pm

because heterosexuality is a sin?