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There are a transitional fossils.

They have A LOT of transitional fossils. The fact that religious organizations haven't accepted that doesn't matter at all.

Dr. Carl Werner's 12 year expidition to 7 countries, 60 museums, 12 dig sights, and many universities, could not show 1 good fossil example of transition of species. Just YouTube EVOLUTION THE GRAND EXPERIMENT,

Bro, I don't give a fuck what that guy says, Google: Tiktaalik.

I did Google search Tictaalik, it had so many problems and assumptions in being considered a traditional form. I hope you can be more critical, when somebody tells you of a supposed traditional form, don't just swallow anything.

Why do snakes and whales have pelvic bones?? Why do some pythons grow tiny legs?? Why do humans have a fused chromosome and extra centromere that matches the exact sequence of two chimpanzee chromosomes? (chimps have 24 pairs, we have 23) why can't we find endemic mammals on volcanic islands, and only on those islands that drifted away from a continent? Why do we share so much of our coded DNA with chimps and why do we have genes that don't work, but other mammals do (vitamin C gene)? why would God put a broken gene in our DNA and put the same broken gene in other species that are closely related to us??

So much evidence, so many fossils.. Look up archaeopteryx!
What did it have in common with birds and reptiles? Why does it fit so perfectly in the time line with where you would expect to find this?

You have to deny quite a bit if you really want to believe evolution isn't true.

There is no such thing as a “transitional fossil.” Since the process of evolution occurs through slight changes between parent and child, there are about as many “transitions” in the fossil record for one lineage as there would be generations. As soon as another fossil is found to bridge the gap between two species, people will demand for the “transitional fossil” to fill the smaller gap

In addition, fossils are formed in very specific conditions where the skeletal structure remains intact, becomes preserved, and the organic material is replaced by minerals and other materials over time. Very few creatures will have undergone this procedure after death. It’s very impressive we even found so many fossils considering the rarity of the event at which they are formed.

Shut the fuck up you idiot some of the smartest men I know also happen to believe in creation. 2edgy4me faggot

Nice Christian hospitality

Interesting, but probably not true. Reports of people falling go back quite a ways.

Actually it is true

That's alright. I'm ashamed enough for the both of us...

The bible is not always right. I'm a Christian but I still believe in evolution

Ahola That is actually a good position. Also you are from Hawaii??

Okay. God created everything that is in the universe, including time. Since God is a timeless being God experiences everything in what might be called an eternal moment, what was and what is and what will be...

...are all within that eternal moment. It means God did set it in motion and still experiences it. God still experiences the crucifixion, the resurrection, and the fruition of his perfect plan all at once...

...and knows exactly what you did/are doing/will do (and think) both by his exquisite knowledge and his experience of them in what would be, for us, real time. All the pains and tragedies are because of God's love,...

...God's forbearance of forcing us to do right, giving our existence meaning.

Now that should bring out the haters.

That was really long.

Imagine what it'd be without all the editing.

Science will set you free folks!

Reducing religion to something that is easily ridiculed is probably an effective strategy, but it certainly doesn't really advance the dialog.

The problem is none of us are populating other worlds/moons. We are confined to a prison world and thus can only relate to whats on it. If people really knew whats outside these prison bars they would think of themselves as God and act accordingly.

Correct

Lol

Some people say we killed god on a cross. Its unimaginable how a puny little earthling could kill a god. Very unlikely event to happen anywhere, anytime. The god that created the universe laughing at our feeble attempts right now...

@kosmoscanyon: We didn't kill God on the cross, we killed His Son on the cross. It's part of God's plan, Jesus didn't HAVE to go through with it, but he DID. He knew and chose to die on the cross for Man's sins. Quit spreading blasphemy.

But you have no problem believing that the world was created in six days, man walked with dinosaurs, and the only reason we have clothing is because two people ate an apple at the suggestion of a talking snake...

Additionally why would God 'plant' all this evidence contradicting the notion of creation. Is he deliberately trying to fool us? God: "I'm gonna make it seem like I don't exist but the sec the stop believing.. HELL FIRE!!! Hehe.." Doesn't seem fair.

A million to one shot happens once every million times(usually). With the multiverse theory odds would be in the favor of at least one universe being able up harbor life that can ask this question.

That's not even mentioning the survivor bias. The other universes where life didn't occur are real, but it would be impossible for life to note the lack of life because there would be no life to note it.

Creationism is at least theism.

Mine isn't. Mine is an attempt to put meaning to that which I do understand and label that which I don't.

Couldn't have said any better myself Mad Scientist! Great comment!

Atheism is man's way to provide meaning to that which he refuses to understand.

Atheism gives meaning to shoe shopping?

Dumb design.

there's very little intelligence shown with the way our bodies are structured

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if anyone should take the credit for designing yourself, it would be your parents. Your parents are your creator and your god...without them you wouldn't exist.

Ah, because religion and science could never go hand in hand. And science has always been consistent, factual, and reliable.

How scientific is it that a guy survived inside a whale for a couple days? Lol!

Science over here.


Big space.



Religion over here.

They're not opposites. They can coexist within people.

within people, sure. within science, no, not even remotely

Science


(Huge friggin chasm)



Religion

I declare Russell's Teapot. Just because evolution does not rule out the possibility of a god it does not mean there is one. The burden of proof is on the claim.

In your likely scenario ...its more likely that we are living in a computer simulation and god is an atheist undergrad student pushing the keystrokes just to get an A.

The creationists believe God is eternal, which violates the laws of physics.

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What doesn't break the laws of physics nowadays?

To say that God is eternal, it is contradictory to say He has a beginning. We, Christians, do not believe God was created. In the Bible, it tells us that He was and will always be. He wasn't created, He just was.

Polster: I understand you don't believe in God but think about what you just said. Within the concept of divine creation, it is illogical to say that the creator, God, is confined to the laws of Physics.

Polster: what you just said is like a character in a painting stating there is no painting because he is not made of paint. The creator is not confined to what was created, therefore, it is perfectly logical for God to be not created, with respect to

the concept of a creator.

God isn't real. Hate to burst your bubble.

Yeah because that logic makes complete sense. I haven't met a single person like you that gave me at least the puny bit of evidence that god isnt real, just because science is supposedly always right and what ever opposes it must be wrong.

Russell's Teapot. The claim(god exists) must first bring in a proof. Only then can something to disprove it brought in.

Why not the other way around?

Blindly following any faith is ignorant. The bible was written by man, not "God", and therefor, is flawed, just as humans are flawed. Dig deep enough in the bible and there is some fucked up sh*t in there.

Like what? I dare you to name one thing that challenges evolution.

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Polster2,
See e.g, Niles Eldredge in Luther Sunderland, Darwin's Enigma: Fossils and Other Problems, 4th edition, (Santee, CA: Master Books, 1988), p. 78.

There are volumes of scientific refutations of evolution if you're not afraid to read them.

Your username leads me to infer that you are an ardent creationalist

My secret is out!

Where does the bible say that the universe was created 6000 years ago? Chapter/verse please.

Actually, it never says that. The years add up to aprox 6,000 when adding up the years leading back to Adam and Eve.

The bible the story of mankind. The bible is not a history book, but a book about God and His relationship with the Jews and with mankind. Again 1st verse says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" and then it says "Now....."

We are not told how much time there is between the beginning and "now," or what happened.

What do you mean where did it start? It started when life started.

It started when life started? Ok...so exactly how did life start?

What created God?

Seriously? God created God

How did he create himself?

Nobody is certain about how life formed in Earth's case, but scientists have several hypotheses that all make more sense than the idea of god ever has.

Is the teleological argument hard to prove? Common "hypothesis:" the Big Bang Theory; ok...what caused the Big Bang? The idea of God is not hard to prove, it just takes a little more than scientific theory to believe in.

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Yeah, I know...Science! *pshh*

You will see that the poll will slowly move further in the favor of evolution as years pass. The idea of a superior being will never go away, it will change form from human like to something else as you see more and more evolved species.

You haven't looked at all the evidence. Even the great non-politically-high-jacked evolutionists acknowledge there are huge holes in their theories. The literature is out there. You just won't find it in your agenda-based high school textbooks.

Well, here's the thing: there are holes in evolution theories, as well as gaps in evidence. But even that is more than creationism theories have.

We are smart enough not to believe in fairy tales.

Evolution is scientific fact.

exsplain to me how its a fact......where you there to see man turn from fish,to monkey, to man????

Evolution occurs over millions of years. Did you take biology?

where you there to see the bearded man wave is lightning wand and create one single male? from which he ripped out a part and created his wife?

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You are from Texas I see! Good to know you don't care about facts in your state. Why don't you put down the bible and pick up a science textbook?

You're better than this.

If only they could be reasonable- obviously, a magical being who refuses to show himself, demands worship, and somehow had a white middle-eastern son, is behind it all!

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Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with abiogenesis and you know that.

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Besides the fact that evolution doesn't address the origin of life AT ALL, there really are some interesting ideas about how self-replicating molecules may have gotten started. It's not as all as dumb an idea as you seem to think.

Yeah, god could have created the first cell. I don't believe this, but if one believes in god I would assume that this belief is a possibility.

That's actually a strawman, this would be ad hom: "don't trust kscott, he's an idiot".

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You're assuming that the bible got it right, people could have been too stupid for him to convey the ideas of cells. And Eve being made of his rib could be asexual replication.

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This is in no way what I believe. But if a god is necessary for one to believe evolution than this is a good compromise. Someone who believes this should vote evolution because, creationism is different from this. In order to believe this the earth

Haha, fail? At what? Knowing what I'm taking about? It must look very strange from your perspective.

would need to be billions of years old.

Also self replicating molecules existed before life did, a hypothesis of abiogenesis called Clay hypothesis where Graham Cairns-smith speculates that primitive RNA could have been created by clay molecule since clay self replicates the same way RNA

does.

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I'm 99% sure that there isn't a god. I don't know how the first forms of RNA formed, but there are theories, hypotheses etc. that are convincing and have evidence supporting but not confirming them.

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Okie doke. It'll be a few minutes.

It was a fine read. My only concern is how dated the information cited is, and I'm not educated enough to say whether or not there have been discoveries that contradict the articles information. I don't understand how the second law makes it

impossible for organic self replicating molecules to form.

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Well on this subject there really isn't a "truly know" sort of thing. A lot of it is speculation until there is enough evidence for it. The only possible way for life to form naturally, without divine intervention, is abiogenesis. How this happens is

happens is all desputable, but inorganic material came prior to organic material so a abiogenesis has occur. How it does as I stated is up in the air however. As to "truly knowing" I don't really view anything as truly known from a personal standing

My turn lol. 1. How can we have a firm "belief"? Belief is detrimental to science. Doubt creates advances and discovers new knowledge. 2. Any origin theory is going to be ridiculous, religious or otherwise, because we can't even define what...

...can't define what "living" constitutes. At what point does "self replicating" actually become alive and adopt a will and instincts? Speaking of which, I find it interesting how lightning creating life is incredulous yet a spoken word is not...

...crazy at all. A spoken word is so much more scientifically powerful than lightning after all. Also lightning is hardly the only theory(some are quite entertaining). Either way, evolution theory and origins theory are different.

check mate. someone that uses logic.

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I did not say we evolved from chimps lol. From what I understand the prevailing theory is that chimps are brothers not ancestors. Humans and chimps came from a common ancestor. As to lightning, I don't pretend to understand how that could...

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...induce anything other than charred remains. It's not my area. I prefer tech related science myself. I'm simply saying that is the prevailing theory and it's no stranger than a voice creating life. Thank you for not using religion.

All that I have recently read about evolution is that we came from a common ancestor not chimps. Your info is outdated

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A quick internet search will get you all you want. However, since you are too lazy to do this yourself, here is a starting point: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee%E2%80%93human_last_common_ancestor. Please remember I'm not a biologist.

You can't demand for me to show MY proof. I am merely paraphrasing what I've read. Go to the source and those who spend lifetimes researching this. Unlike you I don't pretend to be an expert in this area.

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Your assuming I care enough to research it lol. My final point is the prevailing theory is we AND chimps came from a common ancestor. Is there proof? I neither know nor care. I'm not exactly 100% supporting this theory.

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